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Wed Jun 8, 2016, 07:54 PM

Trump supporters’ false claim that Trump U judge is a member of a pro-immigrant group

...The Facts

As The Post and other media outlets have pointed out repeatedly, Curiel is a member of the San Diego La Raza Lawyers Association, which is a professional organization for Latino lawyers. The group is the San Diego local affiliate of the California La Raza Lawyers Association, whose membership comprises lawyers practicing in California, and is a 501(c)(6) nonprofit trade organization. It has an affiliated 501(c)(3) scholarship fund that awarded 22 scholarships totaling $34,000 in 2014. More on that later.

This group is not the National Council of La Raza, the Hispanic civil rights nonprofit organization that has pushed for comprehensive immigration reform in Congress with a pathway to citizenship and legalization for undocumented immigrants. It’s often referred to as simply “La Raza,” especially in the context of the immigration debate.

To recap this simple fact: San Diego La Raza Lawyers Association ≠ National Council of La Raza.

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There will be no doubt some that will refuse to differentiate between the two organizations. Ignorance is an bad thing. Deliberate ignorance is worse.

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Reply Trump supporters’ false claim that Trump U judge is a member of a pro-immigrant group (Original post)
Immacolata Jun 2016 OP
foia Jun 2016 #1
Grumpy Pickle Jun 2016 #2
Arne Oker Jun 2016 #3
Grumpy Pickle Jun 2016 #6
Arne Oker Jun 2016 #17
The Center Holds Jun 2016 #19
Grumpy Pickle Jun 2016 #21
Arne Oker Jun 2016 #36
Grumpy Pickle Jun 2016 #41
NavyBrat Jun 2016 #43
Grumpy Pickle Jun 2016 #50
NavyBrat Jun 2016 #51
Banshee 3 Actual Jun 2016 #4
Grumpy Pickle Jun 2016 #7
brew9876 Jun 2016 #13
Arne Oker Jun 2016 #16
Banshee 3 Actual Jun 2016 #20
Arne Oker Jun 2016 #31
MeatSandwich Jun 2016 #52
Arne Oker Jun 2016 #53
MeatSandwich Jun 2016 #54
Strange Luck Jun 2016 #23
clem kadiddlehopper Jun 2016 #24
Banshee 3 Actual Jun 2016 #25
Strange Luck Jun 2016 #26
Banshee 3 Actual Jun 2016 #27
Arne Oker Jun 2016 #32
Jenny Fromdablock Jun 2016 #5
Grumpy Pickle Jun 2016 #8
Billy Jingo Jun 2016 #9
Paradigm Jun 2016 #10
Argentina Jun 2016 #11
Immacolata Jun 2016 #14
Grumpy Pickle Jun 2016 #15
Arne Oker Jun 2016 #18
Grumpy Pickle Jun 2016 #22
Arne Oker Jun 2016 #33
Grumpy Pickle Jun 2016 #40
Da Mannn Jun 2016 #12
LaughingGull Jun 2016 #28
MeatSandwich Jun 2016 #29
Arne Oker Jun 2016 #34
MeatSandwich Jun 2016 #42
Arne Oker Jun 2016 #35
MeatSandwich Jun 2016 #44
Immacolata Jun 2016 #37
Arne Oker Jun 2016 #38
Immacolata Jun 2016 #39
MeatSandwich Jun 2016 #45
Immacolata Jun 2016 #46
MeatSandwich Jun 2016 #47
Immacolata Jun 2016 #48
MeatSandwich Jun 2016 #49
Arne Oker Jun 2016 #55
MeatSandwich Jun 2016 #56
rahtruelies Jun 2016 #30

Response to Immacolata (Original post)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 08:01 PM

1. More here

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Response to Immacolata (Original post)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 08:09 PM

2. La Raza is a racist moniker.

What if white people ran around saying they belong to `The White lawyers association` ?

The left would be screaming about that all day, every day.

The Judge is racist.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 08:13 PM

3. What about the Jewish Lawyers Association

German American Lawyers Association, Italian American Lawyers Association, Swedish American Lawyers Association, Irish American Lawyers Association (look it up, they all exist)

All racist?

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 08:16 PM

6. There is no " White lawyers association "

False equivalency.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:33 PM

17. There is no "Brown lawyers association"

Either.

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #17)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:36 PM

19. THANK YOU.

That's what it all comes down to.

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #17)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:41 PM

21. La Raza is the BRONZE RACE = Hispanics.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #21)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 05:42 AM

36. Yes, some see it that way

Just like "Black Power" can mean different things, not all of them scary to we Whiteys.

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #36)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 08:45 AM

41. Pfffft....

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:33 AM

43. Is the NYPD "Emerald Society" a bunch of bigoted Irish cops?

 

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Response to NavyBrat (Reply #43)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:37 PM

50. Irish is not a race.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #50)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:43 PM

51. Learn to read. I specifically used "bigoted" for that ...

 

precise reason. So kindly take your wagging finger and find a good home for it.

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Response to Immacolata (Original post)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 08:15 PM

4. Then why do they link to the National la raza organization if they have nothing to do with it?

OOPS!



SOURCE- http://sdlrla.com/

when you click on the national council on the sidebar, it comes up-
http://www.nclr.org/

If you aren't of the same mind as the national why link to it? why then also link to the State La Raza Lawyers Organization?
http://larazalawyers.net/


Or for Border Angels?
http://www.borderangels.org/about-us/

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 08:17 PM

7. ...

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:23 PM

13. Well that's that...another made up liberal story goes down in flames.

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:32 PM

16. Anti-Defamation League?

Big Brothers Big Sisters?

Protect San Diego Kids (Human Trafficking)?

What other nefarious connections do they have?

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #16)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:40 PM

20. Great deflection (as expected)when y'all can't answer

Again if they are trying to disassociate from National La Raza why link to it?

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #20)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 05:26 AM

31. Why should they try?

When they have no problem "associating" with the Anti-Defamation League? When that is also a part of the "community?"

This is part of the wingnut mentality. Leave out clear context, even when it is clear as day.

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #31)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 03:05 PM

52. It's exactly what I've come to expect from someone of your caliber.

You can't debate, so you go straight to the cheap seats.

This is part of the wingnut mentality.

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Response to MeatSandwich (Reply #52)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 08:37 PM

53. So effective debate involves

Ignoring the wrong cherries? Because you all are ignoring the cherries I pointed out, while hyperventilating over your chosen ones!

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #53)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 12:08 AM

54. You didn't point out anything of substance. That's why you are getting these types of replies.

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:51 PM

23. Maybe you all should read this:

http://www.nclr.org/about-us/who-we-are/

They clear up the lies being pushed by cons.

I don't expect any of you will read it though

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Response to Strange Luck (Reply #23)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:54 PM

24. Good luck with that.

Don't bother me with facts. My mind (what little there is) is made up.

You can't fix stupid.

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Response to Strange Luck (Reply #23)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:58 PM

25. maybe you should read this

César Chávez was a critic of La Raza, stating to Peter Matthiessen of The New Yorker, "“I hear more and more Mexicans talking about la raza—to build up their pride. Some people don’t look at it as racism, but when you say ‘la raza,’ you are saying an anti-gringo thing, and it won’t stop there.

Today it’s anti-gringo, tomorrow it will be anti-Negro. We had a stupid guy who just wanted to play politics with the union, and he began to whip up La Raza against the white volunteers, and even had some of the farm workers and the pickets and the organizers hung up on la raza. So I took him on. These things have to be met head on. On discrimination, I don’t even give the members the privilege of a vote, and I’m not ashamed of it. No, the whole business of discrimination can’t exist here.

So often, these days, the leaders are afraid, and even though they feel strongly against racism, they will not speak out against it. If the leadership is united, then it can say, ‘All right, if you’re going to do things that way, then you’ll have to get rid of us.’ You have to speak out immediately, the first time."

SOURCE-https://libraries.ucsd.edu/farmworkermovement/essays/essays/MillerArchive/032%20Profile%20Cesar%20Chavez.pdf

Cesar Chavez thought it racist...

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #25)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:59 PM

26. I see, you didn't read it because you enjoy believing what you want to

Not really shocked

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Response to Strange Luck (Reply #26)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:02 PM

27. Yep and i see you refuse to read mine because then you would have to admit this whole LW meme is BS

Duly noted though

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #25)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 05:34 AM

32. Again context

He is clearly objecting to the use of "La Raza" as an anti-Gringo thing. To say that he would be against all things "La Raza" is like saying someone who likes the saying, "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel," hates America.

So what about the organization carrying on his legacy?

http://www.ufw.org/_board.php?b_code=news_cal&b_no=3879&mode=view

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Response to Immacolata (Original post)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 08:15 PM

5. La Raza = the Race

Are they talking about the Kentucky Derby?

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Response to Jenny Fromdablock (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 08:18 PM

8. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha.....

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Response to Immacolata (Original post)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 08:41 PM

9. You were right

But seriously, you really think the deliberate, willful ignorance of partisans would be that hard to predict?

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Response to Immacolata (Original post)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:05 PM

10. Yeah, sure. This racist la raza group over here is different from that

racist la raza group over there. Yeah, sure. Ok.

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Response to Immacolata (Original post)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:15 PM

11. La Raza does not mean The Race, it means The People. Contrary to what Trump supporters and other

Cons believe, it is not a racist group.

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Response to Argentina (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:25 PM

14. They don't trust foreign words.

Many of them are very provincial.

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Response to Argentina (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:32 PM

15. It means the bronze race......Hispanics.

Their motto is quite interesting...." For the race, everything...for others (non-hispanics) , nothing."

Sounds ridiculously racists to me...( a gringo )

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #15)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:34 PM

18. Who are "they"

You need to be a little more specific. Oh, you can't be more specific! It would undermine your "case."

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #18)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:45 PM

22. Did you bother to read the OP ?

Then you should already know what we`re talking about.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #22)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 05:36 AM

33. Did you bother to read the post of yours that I responded to?

I know, that sort of thing can be so hard.

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #33)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 08:43 AM

40. You can`t debate worth sh_t.......trying all sorts of mental gymnastics and

" what does this mean ?, what does that mean? ".

Basically , you are avoiding any meaningful debate.

Don`t waste my time.

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Response to Immacolata (Original post)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:20 PM

12. La Raza isn't pro-immigrant, it's a racial supremacy group/another KKK

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Response to Immacolata (Original post)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 11:33 PM

28. The Hispanic National Bar Association that this judge belongs to, issued a press release

last year that said:The HNBA calls for a boycott of all of Trump business ventures, including golf courses, hotels, and restaurants. We salute NBC/Universal, Univision and Macy’s for ending their association with Trump, and we join them in standing up against bigotry and racist rhetoric. Other businesses and corporations should follow the lead of NBC/Universal, Univision and Macy’s and take similar actions against Donald Trump’s business interests. We can and will make a difference.

Cynthia D. Mares
HNBA National President

http://hnba.com/news/july-2015/

http://us4.campaign-archive2.com/?u=df9a27c10b6d6ba38ba001440&id=f8a4a02241&e=cd8fc1ccd9%0A

Because of his membership in an organization that called for a boycott of all Trump business ventures last year, this judge should recuse himself from this case, which involves a Trump business venture.

Do you disagree?

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Response to LaughingGull (Reply #28)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 11:40 PM

29. Crickets.

He also appointed two lawyers in this case whose firms had given hundreds of thousands of dollars to the Clinton campaign, and for speeches. Buy, hey why let facts get in the way of a good meme.

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Response to MeatSandwich (Reply #29)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 05:37 AM

34. To represent the plaintiffs against little boy Stumpy in the class action suits

Doesn't sound so shocking.

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #34)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:31 AM

42. Only that it violates certain ethics rules and is grounds to recuse.

But why let the rule of law stop you. It never seems to stop the left, especially criminal Hillary.

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Response to LaughingGull (Reply #28)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 05:40 AM

35. That's the national organization

Anyway, he's not supposed to be a member of any advocacy group as a judge. If the San Diego lawyers group is considered such it is hard to imagine that he wouldn't have quit upon his appointment.

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #35)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:34 AM

44. Based on their press release boycotting Trump businesses, he *should* have.

This has nothing to do with the ethnicity of the judge. It's a matter of judicial ethics.

If the San Diego lawyers group is considered such it is hard to imagine that he wouldn't have quit upon his appointment.

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Response to LaughingGull (Reply #28)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 05:48 AM

37. No, he should not.

That's like saying a jury can only be made up of members of the defendant's race. It's ridiculous. After what Trump has said about Hispanics, I'd be surprised if they didn't boycott him.

If he can't take the consequences of his racist rhetoric, he should just sit down and shut up.

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Response to Immacolata (Reply #37)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 05:52 AM

38. Agreed

I want to make the point that I don't buy any of this nonsense that the HBNA or NCLR are scary groups, whatever the connections that so obsess the wingnuts.

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #38)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 05:59 AM

39. They're so determined to believe Trump that they stick their

collective fingers in their ears and scream "la la la"! It's pathetic.

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Response to Immacolata (Reply #37)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:35 AM

45. Did you see the press release from his organization?

That is a clear conflict of interest. He *should* have recused himself at that point.

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Response to MeatSandwich (Reply #45)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:04 PM

46. No, I have not.

But this thread is more about the fact that conservatives are going with the "he belongs to a radical organization called La Raza" when they KNOW that is a lie. It makes me sick.

And I do not agree that he should recuse himself. He's never shown the slightest inclination to be biased toward anyone, and I think he's being fair here.

I repeat, if Trump doesn't want to suffer the consequences of his hateful rhetoric, he should STFU. And if he doesn't want to be sued by the thousands of people he rips off, then he shouldn't rip them off.

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Response to Immacolata (Reply #46)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:12 PM

47. This is the kind of response that comes from ignorance.

I'm not saying that you are stupid, you are not. I'm saying, if you had read the press release, you would know that the judge has a definite conflict of interest in this case and should have recused himself based on that press release alone. Also, the judge appointed two lawyers to the plaintiff in this case whose law firms gave hundreds of thousands of dollars to Hillary and Bill for their election and to give speeches? Another clear conflict of interest. This is not about ethnicity, it's about judicial ethics.

And I do not agree that he should recuse himself. He's never shown the slightest inclination to be biased toward anyone, and I think he's being fair here.

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Response to MeatSandwich (Reply #47)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:14 PM

48. Again, this topic is not about him recusing himself.

I will read the press release, you're right that I should before opining on it. But the point of this topic is that he is NOT a member of La Raza, the activist group. And conservatives on this very board won't acknowledge that, and it's freaking maddening! It makes them look stubborn and not in a good way, in a very stupid way.

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Response to Immacolata (Reply #48)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:22 PM

49. He may not be a member, but the group he *is* a member of, links to them on their web site.

Not only them, but some other illegal immigrant advocacy groups.

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Response to MeatSandwich (Reply #49)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 05:18 AM

55. And other groups like the ADL and Big Brothers Big Sisters

This lawyers association is a part of a bigger community, of groups that are trying to build up their local area.

And what do you mean by "illegal immigrant advocacy groups", and what do you see as inappropriate? I have a pretty good idea of what you are getting at, but I don't mind making you work to present your argument.

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #55)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 09:22 AM

56. Go to Border Angels, then get back to me. I don't mind making you work to get to the truth.

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Response to Immacolata (Original post)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:08 AM

30. La Raza is La Raza either way.

A racist anti-American organisation.

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