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Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:09 PM

Bill Rejected By The GOP 6 Months Ago Would Have Stopped Florida Shooter From Gun Purchase

Why should people on the no-fly list or terrorist watch lists be allowed to buy assault weapons? http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/06/12/fail-bill-rejected-by-the-gop-6-months-ago-would-have-stopped-florida-shooter-from-gun-purchase/

As it turns out, America’s elected Republican officials could have stopped Orlando’s gay nightclub shooter from being able to purchase the assault rifle that claimed the lives of 50 people in the early hours on Sunday morning. Dozens more were hospitalized.....

Not only are Republicans responsible for stigmatizing members of the LGBT community as anti-god deviants, but they could have thrown a huge wrench in Mateen’s massacre plans had they passed a law proposed six whole months before this morning’s mass shooting occurred.

According to MSNBC:

“SENATE REPUBLICANS REJECTED A BILL THAT AIMS TO STOP SUSPECTED TERRORISTS FROM LEGALLY BUYING GUNS, ON THURSDAY. THE VOTE CAME A DAY AFTER AT LEAST 14 PEOPLE WERE KILLED DURING THE SAN BERNARDINO MASSACRE IN CALIFORNIA BY TWO SUSPECTS, INCLUDING A WOMAN SAID TO HAVE PLEDGED ALLEGIANCE TO ISIS.”

“FORTY-FIVE SENATORS VOTED FOR THE BILL AND 54 VOTED AGAINST IT. ONE DEMOCRAT, SEN. HEIDI HEITKAMP OF NORTH DAKOTA, AND ONE REPUBLICAN, SEN. MARK KIRK OF ILLINOIS, CROSSED PARTY LINES.”

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Reply Bill Rejected By The GOP 6 Months Ago Would Have Stopped Florida Shooter From Gun Purchase (Original post)
Letmypeoplevote Jun 2016 OP
Duke Lacrosse Jun 2016 #1
Letmypeoplevote Jun 2016 #2
SummBoddie Jun 2016 #14
brew9876 Jun 2016 #3
i verglas Jun 2016 #21
Banshee 3 Actual Jun 2016 #4
Letmypeoplevote Jun 2016 #8
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Banshee 3 Actual Jun 2016 #13
island4diver Jun 2016 #5
DavesNotHere Jun 2016 #6
Letmypeoplevote Jun 2016 #7
SavannahMan Jun 2016 #15
pavulon-lives Jun 2016 #22
Troll2 Jun 2016 #9
Paradigm Jun 2016 #10
Muddling Through Jun 2016 #12
Letmypeoplevote Jun 2016 #16
Banshee 3 Actual Jun 2016 #17
pavulon-lives Jun 2016 #23
ReinMan Jun 2016 #18
Jack Flash Jun 2016 #19
Dexter Morgan Jun 2016 #24
wisbadger Jun 2016 #20
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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:10 PM

1. Nonsense. He was never on "the list."

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:13 PM

2. Debate over guns, terror watch list to begin anew

Again, why should people on the terrorist watch list be allowed to arm themselves http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/debate-over-guns-terror-watch-list-begin-anew

In the case of Omar Mateen, the apparent gunman in the worst mass shooting in American history, the Floridian legally bought an AR-15-style weapon and a semiautomatic pistol recently, despite the fact that the FBI was aware of him and looked into him twice.

It was not immediately clear what if any watch list was on at the time of the Orlando massacre – though he had come across the FBI’s radar on more than one occasion.

He first came to the FBI’s attention in 2013 after co-workers reported he’d made “inflammatory” comments to them about radical Islamic propaganda. A year later the FBI looked into him again because of his ties to an American who traveled to the Middle East to become a suicide bomber.
Information is still coming together as part of the investigation. There’s more than one terrorist watch list and we don’t yet know if the Orlando shooter was on any of them.

But the detail that’s newly relevant is that even if the gunman was on all of them – even if he couldn’t legally purchase a plane ticket anywhere in the United States – it wouldn’t have made a difference when he tried to purchase the weapons he used to murder 49 people.

The NBC News report added, “That suspected terrorists can legally purchase weapons in the U.S. has been a fierce point of contention in Congress and among gun-control advocates.”

And that debate is poised to begin anew.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 09:00 PM

14. Why do you support secret lists to remove rights?

When Pres. Trump (still possible, ugh) decides to unilaterally add the membership of CAIR to the watch lists, you would think that's just fine, right?

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:15 PM

3. Talk to the aclu Einstein. Oh and this is the third time with same op.

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Response to brew9876 (Reply #3)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 11:00 PM

21. so is it the third time what the ACLU said has been misrepresented?

 

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:16 PM

4. Actually if you ask a real lawyer you would know it didnt

John Lewis congressman, and civil rights legend is on the list

Ted Stevens and Ted Kennedy were on the list till they died

the ACLU has a serious beef with the list as many people are put on it without due process

Ask your boss or a lawyer about due process, steno...



Until the No Fly List Is Fixed, It Shouldn’t Be Used to Restrict People’s Freedoms 2015 article


The No Fly List is in the news this week, just in time for the ACLU’s argument in federal court on Wednesday in its five-year-long challenge to the list’s redress process.

Last night, in response to last week’s tragic attack in San Bernardino, California, President Obama urged Congress to ensure that people on the No Fly List be prohibited from purchasing guns. Last week, Republicans in Congress defeated a proposal that would have done just that. "I think it’s very important to remember people have due process rights in this country, and we can’t have some government official just arbitrarily put them on a list," House Speaker Paul Ryan said.

There is no constitutional bar to reasonable regulation of guns, and the No Fly List could serve as one tool for it, but only with major reform. As we will argue to a federal district court in Oregon this Wednesday, the standards for inclusion on the No Fly List are unconstitutionally vague, and innocent people are blacklisted without a fair process to correct government error. Our lawsuit seeks a meaningful opportunity for our clients to challenge their placement on the No Fly List because it is so error-prone and the consequences for their lives have been devastating.






SOURCE-https://www.aclu.org/blog/speak-freely/until-no-fly-list-fixed-it-shouldnt-be-used-restrict-peoples-freedoms

http://discussionist.com/1015856957

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:47 PM

8. GOP: Keep Selling Guns to People on Terrorist Watch List!

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #8)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:58 PM

13. Stenos, pretending to be internet lawyers since 2014

Its amusing how you refuse to acknowledge the ACLU has serious issues with the list, and it's lack of due process. one would think a REAL lawyer would be enraged about the list.


lol

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:24 PM

5. bipartisan my ass

BTW, San Bernadino was a straw purchase and this asshole wasn't on any watch list.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:26 PM

6. You figure if you all just keep posting it, someone might believe it's true?

Good luck with that.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:46 PM

7. After Orlando, Sen. Casey calls for more gun control and ban on hate crime convicts owning firearms

There will be more proposals like this one http://www.pennlive.com/news/2016/06/sen_casey_wants_hate_crime_con.html#incart_river_index

Sen. Bob Casey (D-Pa.) was in Pittsburgh on Monday where he introduced legislation aimed at keeping guns out of the hands of those who commit criminal acts based on hate, his office said in a statement. This after a gunman pledging allegiance to the Islamic State killed 50 in an Orlando nightclub favored by the LGBT community there a day earlier.

According to Casey's office, his "Hate Crimes Prevention Act" would prohibit the purchase, possession or shipment of a firearm by anyone convicted of a misdemeanor hate crime or who received a hate crime sentence enhancement, and would prohibit the sale of firearms to anyone reasonably suspected to be guilty of a misdemeanor hate crime.

Casey also called for other actions to prevent gun violence, including a ban on military-style weapons, limits on clips and magazine sizes, a ban on those on the terrorist watchlist from purchasing firearms and universal background checks.

"If you have proven you will commit criminal acts based on hate, you absolutely should not have access to a gun. It's common sense," Senator Casey said. "It is time we as members of Congress do something. If you are a member of Congress and you say you care about security then you have to take steps to keep guns out of the wrong hands and ensure our law enforcement has the resources needed to keep communities safe."

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #7)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 09:03 PM

15. People convicted of felonies are already prohibited.

Or didn't you and Senator Casey know that?

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/identify-prohibited-persons

The Gun Control Act (GCA), codified at 18 U.S.C. § 922(g), makes it unlawful for certain categories of persons to ship, transport, receive, or possess firearms or ammunition, to include any person:

convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
who is a fugitive from justice;

who is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act, codified at 21 U.S.C. § 802);

who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution;
who is an illegal alien;

who has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;

who has renounced his or her United States citizenship;
who is subject to a court order restraining the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of the intimate partner; or

who has been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.
The GCA at 18 U.S.C. § 992(n) also makes it unlawful for any person under indictment for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year to ship, transport, or receive firearms or ammunition.

Further, the GCA at 18 U.S.C. § 922(d) makes it unlawful to sell or otherwise dispose of firearms or ammunition to any person who is prohibited from shipping, transporting, receiving, or possessing firearms or ammunition.

So unless we're going to make a traffic violation a "Hate crime" the people convicted are already prohibited.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #7)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 11:03 PM

22. he can fuck off back to pa.

because no one in fla or any of the non gun control slave states gives a shit what he thinks.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:51 PM

9. Orlando Shooter Wasn’t on U.S. No-Fly List, Despite FBI Probes

Once the FBI concluded there wasn’t enough evidence to link Omar Mateen to terrorism, that meant the man who later swore allegiance to the Islamic State during a murder spree on Sunday wouldn’t be prohibited from airline flights.

Mateen had twice been investigated by FBI agents for suspected terrorist leanings and was for a time listed on a government watch list, but he was removed because agents closed the initial case in 2013 without confirming he was a danger, FBI Director James Comey told reporters in Washington Monday.

“He was watchlisted with the opening of the preliminary investigation and he was taken off the watchlist when the investigation was closed,” Comey said. Comey declined to name the watchlist.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-13/orlando-shooter-wasn-t-on-u-s-no-fly-list-despite-fbi-probes

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:55 PM

10. MSNBC ?? Now there's a reliable and unbiased source.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:57 PM

12. Sweet, sweet summer child,

how often does this false story have to be posted?

I knew reading comprehension was an issue, but didn't realize this has gotten so bad so quickly.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 09:12 PM

16. Senate Democrats will renew push to keep terror suspects from buying guns

The GOP risks a great deal by blocking these bills http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/6/13/1538122/-Senate-Democrats-will-renew-push-to-keep-terror-suspects-from-buying-guns

The Senate Republican leadership is offering the latest victims of a gun massacre a moment of silence. Senate Democrats are going to try for just a little bit more, including renewing their effort to get the simplest, most common sense gun measure—preventing people on the terrorist watch list from buying guns—considered.

It's a reprise of an effort that saw a procedural vote last December on an amendment offered by Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif . That amendment would block individuals on a consolidated terror watch list from legally purchasing firearms.

The amendment fell when senators voted 45-54 in favor of a motion to waive the budget rules, short of the 60 votes needed.
The Senate will continue debate on the defense authorization bill, as well as other spending measures in the remaining few weeks of work before recessing for the national conventions. That gives Democrats plenty of opportunities and vehicles for the effort. But with Mitch McConnell in charge, don't hold your breath that it actually happens.

In addition to this bill, Sen. Bob Casey (D-PA) will introduce legislation to block individuals who have been convicted of a hate crime from buying guns. Because people who have been convicted of hate crimes currently aren't banned from buying guns. Because America.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #16)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 09:22 PM

17. Will they ask congressman John Lewis his Opinion? I ask since HE is on the Terrorist List

Kennedy has company on airline watch list

Sen. Edward Kennedy is not alone.

A second prominent lawmaker said Friday that he's been subjected to extra security at airports because his name appears on a list designed to prevent terrorists from boarding planes.

Rep. John Lewis, D - Georgia, a nine-term congressman famous for his civil rights work with the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., has been stopped 35 to 40 times over the past year, his office said.

Kennedy, D-Massachusetts, told a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on border security Thursday that he's been stopped several times because his name appeared on an airline watch list.

Lewis contacted the Department of Transportation, the Department of Homeland Security and executives at various airlines in a so-far fruitless effort to get his name off the list, said spokeswoman Brenda Jones.




SOURCE-http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/20/lewis.watchlist/index.html


Its amusing the morons who think this list actually has terrorists on it--

Even Federal Air Marshall's have wound up as terrorists on the list-
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/apr/30/air-marshals-grounded-in-list-mix-ups/

a Federal Judge has even declared the rules for the List Unconstitutional-

Federal judge declares government no-fly list rules unconstitutional

An Oregon federal judge ruled Tuesday that international air travel is a “sacred” liberty protected by the U.S. Constitution and ordered the government to amend its rules governing the so-called no-fly list, which seeks to prevent suspected terrorists from boarding airlines.

In the first such ruling of its kind, U.S. District Judge Anna J. Brown in Portland said that “international travel is not a mere convenience or luxury in this modern world. Indeed, for many, international travel is a necessary aspect of liberties sacred to members of a free society.”

Therefore, she said, the government must change its procedures to allow U.S. citizens who find themselves on the no-fly list to challenge the designation.

She ordered the government to come up with new procedures that protect citizens’ due-process rights without jeopardizing national security. Passengers must be given notice of their inclusion on the list and a rationale for the designation and be allowed to submit evidence to challenge it, Brown said.
SOURCE-http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-no-fly-list-violates-rights-federal-ruling-20140624-story.html



Its very amusing how DI LW alleged Lawyers cheer on the taking away of constitutional rights of American Citizens without due process.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #16)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 11:05 PM

23. your fucking nominee is on the list right

for putting tssci in the clear?

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 09:45 PM

18. Awww, Jeez.





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Response to ReinMan (Reply #18)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 09:47 PM

19. Great cartoons!

 

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Response to ReinMan (Reply #18)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 11:17 PM

24. This makes me smile....

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:11 PM

20. LMPV.......are you trying to mislead, or have you just been mislead? This person was

not on a list........but I'm sure you knew that. Would you be in favor of stopping people from voting that were on a list? What about pulling their drivers license? Maybe they should be locked up in you're world, no due process? Ops like yours make me fear for this country, i suppose you stand behind FDR putting all the Japanese in internment camps.

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Response to wisbadger (Reply #20)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 11:18 PM

25. Liberal logic 101,start off with a false narrative to make a point .

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