Politicsdemocratsobama

Tue May 13, 2014, 08:27 PM

Broadly speaking, we became them.

Other than the "social issues" such as gay marriage (Obama evolved!), cannabis legalization (states took their own initiative), abortion (abortion rights are being degraded as we speak), we have become them.

Case in point 1: MIC (military industrial complex): military budgets have not moved. 8 years of "our guy!" and we still outspend all other countries combined while our middle class disappears and kids go into slave debt for college costs.

Case in point 2: Wall Street VS. Main Street. Pretty easy to see which side of the street Obama has chosen to walk on. Look at his appointments, look at where the "recovery" money was spent, look at the lack of jail time.

Case in point 3: Labor Unions, Detroit et. al. : Obama sat idly by as Democracy in Detroit was replaced with...well, something that is far from it. Nor did he ever put on those comfy shoes and stand in line with labor.

Case in point 4: Obamacare, his "greatest achievement" did get people insured but at the cost of permanently sacrificing the very IDEA of single-payer health care extended as part and parcel of our contract with the govt. (like most civilized nations). It doubled down on the notion that health care is a money-making business and we will never get over that now.

I am sure many could be added to this list. Drones, imperialism, private education, on and on...

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Reply Broadly speaking, we became them. (Original post)
Greggery Peccary May 2014 OP
Doctor May 2014 #1
Tuxedocat313 May 2014 #2
Lefty May 2014 #3
BenghaziOracle May 2014 #4
misterBubble May 2014 #5
Strange Luck May 2014 #7
BenghaziOracle May 2014 #8
Strange Luck May 2014 #10
JayVeeNYC May 2014 #6
Greggery Peccary May 2014 #9

Response to Greggery Peccary (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 08:31 PM

1. No one who isn't already a "them" is going to make their way up the ranks

Even a fresh faced kid from Iowa with the best of intentions would be used by people with the best of intentions not at heart. Favors are exchanged and deals are made and I have to vote for his farm bill because he voted for my clean air bill. Plus to get to this level you have to secure a ton of funding. Funding that comes from ominous sources who demand repayment and access.

Also, I don't care who the President is, there are MANY more people behind the scenes that actually control what gets passed, done, and said.

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Response to Greggery Peccary (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 08:33 PM

2. Sadly, you're not wrong.

And in most of these cases, it's all about the $$$

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Response to Greggery Peccary (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 09:06 PM

3. You are what you eat.

Cannibals are people too.

Unfortunately voting doesn't seem to be changing much. I opt for the Howard Zinn recommended method ...march, protest, demonstrate and be civilly disobedient ...60's Berkeley style.

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Response to Greggery Peccary (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 10:08 PM

4. I will disagree of course

 

But I must admit...

For a guy that you people supported soooooo much, he hasn't done much for ya.

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Response to BenghaziOracle (Reply #4)

Tue May 13, 2014, 10:20 PM

5. He did enough by simply not being McCain or Romney.

Anything else is gravy.

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Response to BenghaziOracle (Reply #4)

Tue May 13, 2014, 10:27 PM

7. Apparently he has I guess, otherwise why would the RW be crying all the time?

Bush let's over 3,000 people die in one day, GOP shut down anthrax investigation in the house before it could start, economy tanked, two wars kept off the books until 2009 to hide the costs and folks thought bush was the best thing ever to happen to republicans.

When it comes to Obama there was Benghazi! AHHHHHH! Funny how people claim to wake up all of the sudden yet sat quietly by when it was their guy in office.

At least I see liberals/dems being hard on Obama about a lot of things (like the whole Yemen thing - which reminds me, WHY isn't the GOP all over that for investigation? Yemen covered up our drone strikes and claimed them as their own when civilians died. Where is the investigation into that?)

The rw will close ranks and lick boots, I'll give them that.

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Response to Strange Luck (Reply #7)

Tue May 13, 2014, 10:28 PM

8. If BUSH "let" 9-11 happen then OBAMA "let" that asteroid hit Siberia right?

 

lmao

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Response to BenghaziOracle (Reply #8)

Tue May 13, 2014, 10:49 PM

10. So, obama LET benghazi happen? Ohhhh I know!

He said it was about a tape at first and then didn't. Changing situations, etc.

Therefore...impeach.

Same people look at bush and just smile in a sort of insane way and are like 'he was awesome, he never did anything like that!'

And you wonder why people laugh. Hang out at #benghazi on twitter for some good debates, or try your hand over at reddit. Especially at reddit and fark you will see how many people are really laughing at the GOP now. Maybe we can back to serious discussions, like Obama's birth certificate. Of course we are still laughing about that one too.

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Response to Greggery Peccary (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 10:22 PM

6. Blame do nothing congress for the most part

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Response to JayVeeNYC (Reply #6)

Tue May 13, 2014, 10:28 PM

9. No, I won't. He didn't go to bat.

You want to see him going to bat? Look at his world tour for the TPP. THAT is going to bat.

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