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Sun Aug 21, 2016, 05:18 PM

Review of States with Voter ID Laws Found No Impersonation Fraud

The reason that the GOP voter suppression laws are being struck down by the courts is simple. These laws are based on a lie about voter fraud. Voter id laws only stop one form of voter fraud and that fraud does not exist. In case after case, the GOP has been unable to find any real examples of this type of fraud which has made easy for the courts to rule against these law.

Here is yet another study on this issue that shows that the type of fraud that would be prevented by voter id laws does not exist in the real world https://www.texastribune.org/2016/08/21/review-states-voter-id-laws-found-no-voter-imperso/

A News21 analysis four years ago of 2,068 alleged election-fraud cases in 50 states found that while some fraud had occurred since 2000, the rate was infinitesimal compared with the 146 million registered voters in that 12-year span. The analysis found only 10 cases of voter impersonation, the only kind of fraud that could be prevented by voter ID at the polls.

This year, News21 reviewed cases in Arizona, Ohio, Georgia, Texas and Kansas, where politicians have expressed concern about voter fraud, and found hundreds of allegations but few prosecutions between 2012 and 2016. Attorneys general in those states successfully prosecuted 38 cases, though other cases may have been litigated at the county level. At least one-third of those cases involved nonvoters, such as elections officials or volunteers. None of the cases prosecuted was for voter impersonation.

“Voter fraud is not a significant problem in the country,” Jennifer Clark of the Brennan Center, a public policy and law institute, told News21. “As the evidence that has come out in some recent court cases and reports and basically every analysis that has ever been done has concluded: It is not a significant concern.”

Lorraine Minnite, a political science professor at Rutgers University-Camden who wrote a book on the phenomenon in 2010 called “The Myth of Voter Fraud,” said in an interview that she hasn’t seen an uptick in the crime since. “Voter fraud remains rare because it is irrational behavior,” she said. “You’re not likely to change the outcome of an election with your illegal fraudulent vote, and the chances of being caught are there and we have rules to prevent against it.”
Again, the courts have not been presented with real evidence of this type of voter fraud by the state attorney generals defending these laws. In addition, it is hard to take the GOP seriously when the GOP ignores or condones a type of voter fraud that exists in the real world.

In July, a federal appeals court for the 4th Circuit decided that the North Carolina law intentionally discriminated against minority voters and ordered the state to make voter ID requirements less strict. In attempting to “combat voter fraud and promote public confidence,” the state ignored the issue of absentee ballot fraud, instead cracking down on voter impersonation, a problem “that did not exist,” according to the court decision. Absentee ballots are “disproportionately used by whites,” the court said, while the voter ID restrictions enacted “target African Americans with almost surgical precision.”
A significant percentage of GOP voters use absentee ballots or vote by mail and the GOP will not restrict or regulate this form of voting even though fraud is very very common with this form of voting.

Again, if any of the conservatives have real examples of in person voter impersonation, then they need to contact the GOP governors. Without real evidence of such fraud, these voter suppression laws will continue to be found void.

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Letmypeoplevote Aug 2016 OP
Concerned Citizen Aug 2016 #1
Letmypeoplevote Aug 2016 #5
Jack Flash Aug 2016 #2
Concerned Citizen Aug 2016 #3
Letmypeoplevote Aug 2016 #14
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kevlar Aug 2016 #15
Letmypeoplevote Aug 2016 #18
Letmypeoplevote Sep 2016 #29
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Grumpy Pickle Aug 2016 #4
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TheyLostTheirForums Aug 2016 #7
Letmypeoplevote Aug 2016 #19
LavenderGirl Aug 2016 #8
SavannahMan Aug 2016 #9
Letmypeoplevote Aug 2016 #13
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Pug-ly Aug 2016 #10
EGTrise Aug 2016 #11
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btw Aug 2016 #16
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btw Sep 2016 #27
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kevlar Sep 2016 #35

Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 05:22 PM

1. The liberal often thinks that if no one is caught or prosecuted, then it didn't happen.

One exception: When the Liberal is taken with Diebold Fever, nothing will soothe his angst and seething.

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Response to Concerned Citizen (Reply #1)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 06:13 PM

5. If you have proof of your claims Governors Abbott, Walker and McCrory would love to see it

In the real world, one needs evidence of a problem before they can use that problem to take away people's rights. So far, no one has provided Governors Abbott, Walker or McCrory with evidence of voter fraud. If you have such evidence, then provide it

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 05:53 PM

2. 'Rats are just desperate to have unregulated elections...

 

I wonder why...

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Response to Jack Flash (Reply #2)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 05:56 PM

3. We all see it time and time again.

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Response to Concerned Citizen (Reply #3)

Mon Aug 22, 2016, 09:45 AM

14. If you have any real evidence, call Gov. Abbott, Walker and McCrory

They would love to hear from you

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Response to Jack Flash (Reply #2)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 06:13 PM

6. Facts scare you

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #6)

Mon Aug 22, 2016, 10:44 AM

15. As usual

you misuse that word.

It is not a fact. It is not measurable.

It is a significant concern for citizens and voters who overwhelmingly support voter ID.

Facts scare propagandists who cheer fraud and cheating.

One day. One ID. One Vote.

Poll tested, voter approved.

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Response to kevlar (Reply #15)

Tue Aug 23, 2016, 04:34 PM

18. Silly conservative

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Response to Jack Flash (Reply #2)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 09:24 PM

29. Inside the Republican creation of the North Carolina voting bill dubbed the ‘monster’ law

The sole and only reason for GOP voter suppression laws is to steal election. The 4th Circuit documented that the purpose of the GOP North Carolina voter suppression bill was to steal elections https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/inside-the-republican-creation-of-the-north-carolina-voting-bill-dubbed-the-monster-law/2016/09/01/79162398-6adf-11e6-8225-fbb8a6fc65bc_story.html?postshare=101472834315371&tid=ss_tw

A review of these documents shows that North Carolina GOP leaders launched a meticulous and coordinated effort to deter black voters, who overwhelmingly vote for Democrats. The law, created and passed entirely by white legislators, evoked the state’s ugly history of blocking African Americans from voting — practices that had taken a civil rights movement and extensive federal intervention to stop.

Last month, a three-judge federal appeals panel struck down the North Carolina law, calling it “the most restrictive voting law North Carolina has seen since the era of Jim Crow.” Drawing from the emails and other evidence, the 83-page ruling charged that Republican lawmakers had targeted “African Americans with almost surgical precision.”...

The Rev. William Barber II, president of North Carolina’s NAACP chapter, said the policies enacted by the law speak for themselves.

“You didn’t hear about fraud in North Carolina until blacks started voting in large numbers,” said Barber, who has also led a series of large protests against the law. “Then all of a sudden, there’s a problem with how people are voting.”

“People keep asking when they passed this law, ‘Were they racist in their heart?’ It doesn’t matter,” he added. “You look at the heart of their policies. If I tell you this law is going to affect black people more than anyone else, and you still go ahead and do it, you yourself are making clear exactly what you are.”

Longtime Republican consultant Carter Wrenn, a fixture in North Carolina politics, said the GOP’s voter fraud argument is nothing more than an excuse.

“Of course it’s political. Why else would you do it?” he said, explaining that Republicans, like any political party, want to protect their majority. While GOP lawmakers might have passed the law to suppress some voters, Wrenn said, that does not mean it was racist.

“Look, if African Americans voted overwhelmingly Republican, they would have kept early voting right where it was,” Wrenn said. “It wasn’t about discriminating against African Americans. They just ended up in the middle of it because they vote Democrat.”
This law was designed to steal elections by keeping African Americans from voting.

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Response to Jack Flash (Reply #2)

Wed Sep 7, 2016, 09:34 AM

32. Silly but sad conservative

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 05:59 PM

4. How about we let all the 11 million illegals vote now ?

Sure, why not.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #4)

Mon Aug 22, 2016, 11:59 AM

17. Non-documented persons are not voting now

The existing voter registration procedures require one to provide some sort of id if they are a first time voter who did not provide a drivers licence or social security number on their voter registration application. Voter id laws are not designed to stop this form of fraud. My son in law has one of the few "free" id (only cost $50) issued in my county. He voted already based on the paper receipt given by the local DPS megacenter. My daughter looked at the EIC and laughed at how easy it would be to copy and alter this document on any computer.

The trial judge in the Texas voter id case made the same point http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/litigation/documents/VeaseyOpinion100914.pdf

As demonstrated above, the Texas Legislature had little evidence of in-person voter impersonation fraud.146 While there is general agreement that voting fraud exists with respect to mail-in ballots, the same was not demonstrated to be a real concern with in-person voting. And it was generally agreed that in-person voting fraud is the only type of voting fraud that would be addressed by a photo ID law. Even with respect to policing in-person voting, Representative Anchia testified that DPS officers had shown a collection of photo IDs to legislators and they could not tell which ones were fake,147leading him to conclude that poll workers would be no better at evaluating what IDs were authentic, a matter not addressed by the terms of SB 14.
If the DPS cannot tell a fake id from a real id, how will an untrained election judge? I have been an election judge twice now under this law and the only training we had is a black and white copy of pictures of the different ids prepared by the Texas Sec. of State that showed only one side of some of the required ids. To make things even more fun the DPS is in the process of changing the form of drivers' licenses and so the older drivers licenses both look different from the more current licenses and some do not have a magnetic strip that allows the election judge to swipe the drivers license through a reader (which you can only do in certain counties).

Voter id laws only stop honest people from voting. If someone was wiling to break the law, it is not hard to buy or make one of the forms of acceptable ids to be used for voting. If the Texas Department of Public Safety can not tell a fake id from a real one, how would an election judge?

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 06:17 PM

7. You go to the polls, you show ID, you vote.

What's the problem?

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Response to TheyLostTheirForums (Reply #7)

Tue Aug 23, 2016, 04:35 PM

19. Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly.

Here are some facts for the conservatives to ignore or not be able to understand https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html?postshare=8341464046238748&tid=ss_tw

In November, 17 states will have voting restrictions in place for the first time in a presidential election. Eleven of those states will require their residents to show a photo ID. They include swing states such as Wisconsin and states with large African American and Latino populations, such as North Carolina and Texas. On Tuesday, the entire 15-judge U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit in New Orleans is to begin hearing a case regarding the legality of the Texas law, considered to be the most stringent in the country.

Supporters say that everyone should easily be able to get a photo ID and that the requirement is needed to combat voter fraud. But many election experts say that the process for obtaining a photo ID can be far more difficult than it looks for hundreds of thousands of people across the country who do not have the required photo identification cards. Those most likely to be affected are elderly citizens, African Americans, Hispanics and low-income residents.

“A lot of people don’t realize what it takes to obtain an ID without the proper identification and papers,” said Abbie Kamin, a lawyer who has worked with the Campaign Legal Center to help Texans obtain the proper identification to vote. “Many people will give up and not even bother trying to vote.”

A federal court in Texas found that 608,470 registered voters don’t have the forms of identification that the state now requires for voting. For example, residents can vote with their concealed-carry handgun licenses but not their state-issued student university IDs.

Across the country, about 11 percent of Americans do not have government-issued photo identification cards, such as a driver’s license or a passport, according to Wendy Weiser of the Democracy Program at the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law.
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There are some really sad stories of people who spent a great deal of time trying to get a free id only to be turned away because the state want to keep them from voting.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 06:33 PM

8. Kick

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 06:43 PM

9. Did they conduct the review in a room full of like minded by any chance?

Four cases of Vote Fraud have recently reached conclusions in the courts.

1) http://www.tamatoledonews.com/page/content.detail/id/551965/Sentenced-in-voter-fraud-case.html?nav=5006

2) http://archive.jsonline.com/news/crime/shorewood-man-sentenced-to-jail-for-multiple-votes-in-several-elections-b99677321z1-370317801.html

3) https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/louisville/news/press-releases/former-mayor-of-martin-sentenced-to-90-months-for-civil-rights-offenses-fraud-vote-buying-and-identity-theft

4) http://www.krgv.com/story/32419876/former-weslaco-city-commissioner-pleads-guilty

Number four is in Texas.

For a bonus let's look at California. http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2016/05/23/cbs2-investigation-uncovers-votes-being-cast-from-grave-year-after-year/

LOS ANGELES (CBSLA.com) — A comparison of records by David Goldstein, investigative reporter for CBS2/KCAL9, has revealed hundreds of so-called dead voters in Southern California, a vast majority of them in Los Angeles County.

“He took a lot of time choosing his candidates,” said Annette Givans of her father, John Cenkner.

Cenkner died in Palmdale in 2003. Despite this, records show that he somehow voted from the grave in 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008 and 2010.

215 people in Los Angeles County were found to have been voting long after they were bereft of life. You know, Expired. Deceased. Ok, I admit it, I was thinking of the Dead Parrot.

215 dead people who still manage to vote in every election years after they moved on to their final resting place.

So a handful of voter fraud cases that turned up in their review demonstrates that the review had to be about as well run as a drive through wedding chapel.

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Response to SavannahMan (Reply #9)

Mon Aug 22, 2016, 09:44 AM

13. Thank you for the laughs-you did not read the material posted

There are not cases of voter impersonation but are mainly absentee ballot fraud. Thank you for proving my point. It is easy to steal votes by use of absentee ballot fraud but the GOP will never regulate that form of voting because a significant percentage of the GOP base vote by absentee ballot or by mail.

BTW, if these examples were real and involved in person voter impersonation., the attorneys for Texas, Wisconsin, North Carolina and Penn. would have introduce these examples in court. Luckily the attorneys representing these states actually read the material and so did not make these claims

You made my morning with this post. Thank you for the laughs

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Response to SavannahMan (Reply #9)

Tue Aug 23, 2016, 04:36 PM

20. Citing examples of absentee ballot fraud does not help your weak argument

Thank you for the laughs. Voter id laws only stop one form of voter fraud which is in person voter impersonation. The examples cited are absentee ballot fraud which is a form of voter fraud that the GOP likes and will never regulate. Again, there is no proof of any in person voter impersonation. There is proof of multiple voting by use of absentee balloting but your own party is fine with this type of fraud. There are many cases of vote by mail fraud that the GOP will not regulate. First, it is clear that there are far more documented examples of voter fraud committed by absentee ballot or vote by mail schemes. f you want to learn some facts, read the opinions from the Penn. and Wisconsin voter id/voter suppression cases. http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/11/13236464-new-database-of-us-voter-fraud-finds-no-evidence-that-photo-id-laws-are-needed

There is more fraud in absentee ballots and voter registration than any other categories. The analysis shows 491 cases of absentee ballot fraud and 400 cases of registration fraud. A required photo ID at the polls would not have prevented these cases. “The one issue I think is potentially important, though more or less ignored, is the overuse of absentee balloting, which provides far more opportunity for fraud and intimidation than on-site voter fraud,” said Daniel Lowenstein, a UCLA School of Law professor.
This conclusion is not new. Back in 2005, a presidential commission on voting chaired by Jimmy Carter and James Baker came to the conclusion that vote by mail/absentee ballot fraud is the largest source of potential voter fraud. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/us/politics/as-more-vote-by-mail-faulty-ballots-could-impact-elections.html?pagewanted=all

There is a bipartisan consensus that voting by mail, whatever its impact, is more easily abused than other forms. In a 2005 report signed by President Jimmy Carter and James A. Baker III, who served as secretary of state under the first President George Bush, the Commission on Federal Election Reform concluded, “Absentee ballots remain the largest source of potential voter fraud.”

On the most basic level, absentee voting replaces the oversight that exists at polling places with something akin to an honor system.

“Absentee voting is to voting in person,” Judge Richard A. Posner of the United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit has written, “as a take-home exam is to a proctored one.”
If you look at this board on the other voter id threads, you will see that your fellow conservatives have cited a number of cases of vote by mail or absentee ballot fraud. Here is a very good article from Prof. Hasen on vote by mail and absentee ballot fraud compared to in person voter impersonation fraud. http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/a-dtente-before-the-election/

Does voter fraud sometimes happen in the United States? You bet. But we are dealing with this relatively small problem in an irrational and partisan way.

In a 1996 primary in Dodge County, Ga., rival camps for county commissioner set up tables at opposite ends of the county courthouse and bid for voters’ absentee votes in what a county magistrate later called a “flea market” atmosphere.

Recently, officials in Cudahy, Calif., admitted intercepting absentee ballots and throwing out ballots not cast for incumbents. Every year we see convictions for absentee ballot fraud. Not a lot, but enough to know it’s a problem.

So you might think that Republicans, newly obsessed with voter fraud, would call for eliminating absentee ballots, or at least requiring that voters who use them show some need, like a medical condition. But Republicans don’t talk much about reining in absentee ballots. Eliminating them would inconvenience some voters and would likely cut back on voting by loyal Republican voters, especially elderly and military voters.

If only Republicans would apply that same logic to voter-identification laws. The only kind of fraud such ID laws prevent is impersonation: a person registered under a false name or claiming to be someone else on the voter rolls.

I have not found a single election over the last few decades in which impersonation fraud had the slightest chance of changing an election outcome — unlike absentee-ballot fraud, which changes election outcomes regularly. (Let’s face it: impersonation fraud is an exceedingly dumb way to try to steal an election.)
Prof. Hasen is a true expert in this area.

Since you are worried about multiple votes, here is a republican who stole over 280 votes,http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/09/jack-villamaino-voter-fraud_n_3728456.html

In the midst of his 2012 GOP primary campaign for a Massachusetts state House seat, Jack Villamaino changed the party affiliation of nearly 300 people in his town of East Longmeadow. Days later, the same number of absentee ballot requests were dropped off at the town clerk’s office, a list that was almost a “name-for-name match” for those whose registration information Villamaino had altered.

Earlier this week, Villamaino pleaded guilty to felony charges of stealing ballots and changing the party affiliation of 280 Democrats during his campaign for state representative. A judge sentenced him to a year in jail, only four months of which he'll be forced to serve behind bars.
It is hard to take claims of voter fraud seriously from republicans when the GOP does not care to regulate the most common form of voter fraud. Again, the GOP will not put any restrictions on absentee ballots/vote by mail because as noted by Prof. Hasen

But Republicans don’t talk much about reining in absentee ballots. Eliminating them would inconvenience some voters and would likely cut back on voting by loyal Republican voters, especially elderly and military voters.
The GOP does not care about voter fraud and will never regulate the one type of voter fraud that really exists. It is silly to pretend that the GOP will take any actions here. I prefer to live in the real world where facts matter.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 09:05 PM

10. The fraud proof is right over there, next to l'il bush's missing Iraq WMDs.

 

Their party has been hallucinating so much for so long, that they look like basket cases.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 09:14 PM

11. These are GOP passed laws that fool no one of average intelligence or better.

The harm prevented by the laws is tiny.

The harm created by the laws is real and significant. This is not an accident. This is how the GOP intends to stay in power as their core voters gradually disappear.

The courts are wising up.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Mon Aug 22, 2016, 09:42 AM

12. The Brief: Voter Fraud Prosecutions by Texas are Infrequent

Here is some more on this report https://www.texastribune.org/2016/08/22/brief/?utm_campaign=trib-social-buttons

A new project looking at voting rights around the country finds that in Texas, the attorney general has prosecuted just 15 cases of voter fraud since the 2012 primaries, none of which involved the type of fraud addressed by the state's controversial voter ID law.

Most of the cases involved people hired to harvest mail-in ballots, an activity that happens most often in Hispanic communities. Texas Democratic Party Chairman Gilberto Hinojosa said those prosecutions "are very specifically oriented toward South Texas,” an accusation that was denied by the attorney general's office.

The project, which was undertaken by the Carnegie-Knight News21 program, found that voter fraud was not particularly prevalent across the country. From 2000 through 2012, News21 found just 10 instances across the country of voter impersonation, the behavior targeted by voter ID laws, and no cases of voter impersonation over the past four years in Arizona, Ohio, Georgia, Texas or Kansas.

“Voter fraud is not a significant problem in the country,” Jennifer Clark of the Brennan Center, a public policy and law institute, told News21.
Judge Hinojosa was the delegation chair for the Texas delegation to the DNC and is a good man

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Mon Aug 22, 2016, 10:48 AM

16. I think the bigger fraud potential is the voter machine and actions of the ballot counters

 

We need to go back to paper ballots and have a better oversight, and much more personnel involved in counting the ballots

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Response to btw (Reply #16)

Tue Aug 23, 2016, 05:01 PM

22. There are safeguards in place

I have watched the testing of the machines in my county more than once. It is a very boring job. Most states have procedures in place to check that the machines have been reset to zero. My middle child is on the ballot board which counts votes by mail (another boring but important job)

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Tue Aug 23, 2016, 04:38 PM

21. The study cited in the OP is consistent with other studies

There is no in person voter fraud http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/08/06/proof-that-voter-impersonation-almost-never-happens/?_php=true&_type=blogs&ref=opinion&_r=0

An enduring Republican fantasy is that there are armies of fraudulent voters lurking in the baseboards of American life, waiting for the opportunity to crash the polls and undermine the electoral system. It’s never really been clear who these voters are or how their schemes work; perhaps they are illegal immigrants casting votes for amnesty, or poor people seeking handouts. Most Republican politicians know these criminals don’t actually exist, but they have found it useful to take advantage of the party base’s pervasive fear of outsiders, just as when they shot down immigration reform. In this case, they persuaded the base of the need for voter ID laws to ensure “ballot integrity,” knowing the real effect would be to reduce Democratic turnout.

Now a researcher has tried to quantify this supposed threat by documenting every known case of voter fraud since 2000 — specifically, the kind of impersonation that would be stopped by an ID requirement. (Note that this does not include ballot-box stuffing by officials, vote-buying or coercion: the kinds of fraud that would not be affected by an ID law.)

There have been more than 1 billion votes cast in local, state and federal elections over the last 14 years. Out of all of them, the researcher, Justin Levitt, a voting expert at the Loyola University Law School, found 31 cases of impersonation fraud. It’s hardly a surprise that the number is so low; as he writes in the Washington Post today, casting individual fake ballots “is a slow, clunky way to steal an election. Which is why it rarely happens.”

A look at some of the 31 cases shows how pathetic the fraudulent-voter threat really is. In May, Ben Hodzic was accused of voting in his brother’s name in the Catskill, N.Y., School District Board of Education election. In June, 2011, Hazel Brionne Woodard of Tarrant County, Tex., allegedly arranged for her son to vote in the municipal runoff elections in the name of his father. In 2004, an unknown person signed the pollbook line as Rose-Mary McGee, of Albuquerque, N.M.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Wed Aug 24, 2016, 10:10 AM

23. There is no voter fraud

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 09:19 PM

24. Pennsylvania, Berks officials say voter fraud is virtually nonexistent

There is no voter fraud of the type that would be prevented by voter id laws. A state court judge found that the Penn. law was invalid because there was no voter faud and the Penn. GOP has yet to come up with any examples of this type of voter fraud. http://www.readingeagle.com/news/article/pennsylvania-berks-officials-say-voter-fraud-is-virtually-nonexistent

The Department of State, which oversees elections, released a statement saying the insinuation that there could be widespread fraud of this sort in our elections has no basis in fact and undermines confidence in our system of government.

"Situations in which someone impersonates another voter or votes more than once are so extremely rare as to be virtually nonexistent," Secretary Pedro A. Cortes said. "Nonetheless, in order to guard against any possibility of fraud, there is a rigorous process for checking in voters at the polling place."

The state has more than 24,000 voting machines used in 9,200 polling places staffed by thousands of poll workers. Cortes said that since the department has never permitted online voting systems, rigging an election involving so many machines and people is highly unlikely.

Deborah M.Olivieri corroborated that statement. The director of Berks County Election Services said she feels confident that there will be no problems on Election Day. She reported that there have been no claims of voter fraud that she could recall during her 20-year tenure with the county agency.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 08:46 AM

25. In-person voting fraud is rare, doesn't affect elections

Here are some more facts for the conservatives to ignore or not be able to understand http://bigstory.ap.org/article/dc8feb8205ac4d73bafb0454f2098363/person-voting-fraud-rare-doesnt-affect-elections

IS VOTING FRAUD A PROBLEM?

Not the type that Trump is referring to.

While fraud can occur, the number of cases is very small and the type that voter IDs are designed to prevent — voter impersonation at the ballot box — is virtually non-existent.

News21, a reporting project affiliated with Arizona State University, in 2012 found 2,068 cases of election fraud nationwide since 2000. Of those, just 10 involved voter impersonation — or one out of every 15 million prospective voters. More common was absentee mail-in ballot fraud, with 491 cases. None affected the outcome of an election.

Lorraine Minnite, a political science professor at Rutgers University-Camden, says voter impersonation fraud is rare because it's difficult to do on a large-enough scale to tip an election.

"It's so irrational to even try just for one or two more votes," said Minnite, author of "The Myth of Voter Fraud."

In court cases that temporarily invalidated some of the ID laws, including North Carolina, Wisconsin and North Dakota, election officials could barely cite a case in which a person was charged with in-person voting fraud.

But Trump continued his warnings, calling last week for "election observers" on his official website to "stop Crooked Hillary from rigging this election." Volunteers who sign up are directed to a donation page.

A new Pew Research Center report released Friday found that 38 percent of registered voters who support Trump are very confident their vote will be accurately counted. This view stands in contrast to the 2004 and 2008 elections, when substantial majorities of voters who backed Republicans George W. Bush and John McCain expressed confidence in the count of their votes.

The survey found that 67 percent of Clinton supporters have a high degree of confidence that their vote will be counted accurately.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 10:13 AM

26. NYC found no one guilty of painting graffiti in the subway either.

Therefore there's no graffiti at all in NYC. Whew...that's a relief.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 10:29 AM

27. manufactured outrage is a political strategy.

 

It seems to unite the Republicans election after election.

They seem to thrive on lies, innuendoes and fear mongering. What a way to live!!!

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Fri Sep 2, 2016, 08:57 PM

28. Inside the Republican creation of the North Carolina voting bill dubbed the ‘monster’ law

The sole and only reason for GOP voter suppression laws is to steal election. The 4th Circuit documented that the purpose of the GOP North Carolina voter suppression bill was to steal elections https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/inside-the-republican-creation-of-the-north-carolina-voting-bill-dubbed-the-monster-law/2016/09/01/79162398-6adf-11e6-8225-fbb8a6fc65bc_story.html?postshare=101472834315371&tid=ss_tw

A review of these documents shows that North Carolina GOP leaders launched a meticulous and coordinated effort to deter black voters, who overwhelmingly vote for Democrats. The law, created and passed entirely by white legislators, evoked the state’s ugly history of blocking African Americans from voting — practices that had taken a civil rights movement and extensive federal intervention to stop.

Last month, a three-judge federal appeals panel struck down the North Carolina law, calling it “the most restrictive voting law North Carolina has seen since the era of Jim Crow.” Drawing from the emails and other evidence, the 83-page ruling charged that Republican lawmakers had targeted “African Americans with almost surgical precision.”...

The Rev. William Barber II, president of North Carolina’s NAACP chapter, said the policies enacted by the law speak for themselves.

“You didn’t hear about fraud in North Carolina until blacks started voting in large numbers,” said Barber, who has also led a series of large protests against the law. “Then all of a sudden, there’s a problem with how people are voting.”

“People keep asking when they passed this law, ‘Were they racist in their heart?’ It doesn’t matter,” he added. “You look at the heart of their policies. If I tell you this law is going to affect black people more than anyone else, and you still go ahead and do it, you yourself are making clear exactly what you are.”

Longtime Republican consultant Carter Wrenn, a fixture in North Carolina politics, said the GOP’s voter fraud argument is nothing more than an excuse.

“Of course it’s political. Why else would you do it?” he said, explaining that Republicans, like any political party, want to protect their majority. While GOP lawmakers might have passed the law to suppress some voters, Wrenn said, that does not mean it was racist.

“Look, if African Americans voted overwhelmingly Republican, they would have kept early voting right where it was,” Wrenn said. “It wasn’t about discriminating against African Americans. They just ended up in the middle of it because they vote Democrat.”
This law was designed to steal elections by keeping African Americans from voting.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Mon Sep 5, 2016, 12:35 PM

30. The NC GOP knew what they were doing

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Tue Sep 6, 2016, 10:59 PM

31. From the American Civil Rights Union-the only purpose of these voter suppression laws is to cheat

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Mon Sep 19, 2016, 11:42 PM

33. Scott Walker Hawks Voter ID Law Despite Proof That ‘Fraud’ Claims Are Largely Made Up

From Wisconsin http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/scott-walker-voter-id-law-wisconsin_us_57e00629e4b08cb14096e46e?platform=hootsuite

Buried in the cache of documents was an interesting set of emails between Republican strategists seeking to craft a message in the event of an electoral defeat for then-Justice David Prosser, who in 2011 was seeking re-election and was a Walker favorite to hold on to his state Supreme Court seat.

The justice was seen as instrumental to the “Walker agenda,” according to the emails, which also noted that the race for his reelection was a close one.

“Do we need to start messaging ‘widespread reports of election fraud’ so we are positively set up for the recount regardless of the final number? I obviously think we should,” said one of them, a lobbyist and former GOP legislative staffer, to a group of associates.

“Yes. Anything fishy should be highlighted. Stories should be solicited by talk radio hosts,” responded another one, a former assembly speaker. Prosser ultimately held on to his seat after a recount.

This exchange ― which underscores that claims of vote-rigging and fraud are largely manufactured ― is notable because of its timing. About a month later, Walker signed the state’s controversial voter ID law, claiming its aim was to safeguard “the integrity of every single vote.”
Claims of voter fraud are bogus claims used by republicans to try to steal elections

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Tue Sep 20, 2016, 09:33 AM

34. Lies about voter fraud are used to sell voter suppression laws

Here are some great facts for the conservatives to ignore http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/20/opinion/the-success-of-the-voter-fraud-myth.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region®ion=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region&_r=0

Credit for this mass deception goes to Republican lawmakers, who have for years pushed a fake story about voter fraud, and thus the necessity of voter ID laws, in an effort to reduce voting among specific groups of Democratic-leaning voters. Those groups — mainly minorities, the poor and students — are less likely to have the required forms of identification.

Behind closed doors, some Republicans freely admit that stoking false fears of electoral fraud is part of their political strategy. In a recently disclosed email from 2011, a Republican lobbyist in Wisconsin wrote to colleagues about a very close election for a seat on the State Supreme Court. “Do we need to start messaging ‘widespread reports of election fraud’ so we are positively set up for the recount regardless of the final number?” he wrote. “I obviously think we should.”

Sometimes they acknowledge it publicly. In 2012, a former Florida Republican Party chairman, Jim Greer, told The Palm Beach Post that voter ID laws and cutbacks in early voting are “done for one reason and one reason only” — to suppress Democratic turnout. Consultants, Mr. Greer said, “never came in to see me and tell me we had a fraud issue. It’s all a marketing ploy.”

The ploy works. During the 2012 election, voter ID laws in Kansas and Tennessee reduced turnout by about 2 percent, or about 122,000 votes, according to a 2014 analysis by the Government Accountability Office. Turnout fell the most among young people, African-Americans and newly registered voters. Another study analyzing elections from 2006 through 2014 found that voting by eligible minority citizens decreased significantly in states with voter ID laws and “that the racial turnout gap doubles or triples in states” with those laws.

There are plenty of shortcomings in the American voting system, but most are a result of outdated machines, insufficient resources or human error — not intentional fraud. All of these are made only worse by shutting down polling places or eliminating early voting hours, measures frequently supported by Republican legislators.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #34)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 09:38 AM

35. The propaganda is used

to ensure that an environment conducive to all sorts of fraud remains.

We are the only industrialized nation on earth without this simple measure for election integrity.

One Day. One ID. One Vote.

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