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Sat Mar 19, 2016, 03:48 PM

On This Day in DI History: How Should Posters Advocating Genocide be Handled?

This discussion forum is not the first to attract hateful, vicious trolls dedicated not to civil debate and discussion, but rather to hateful attempts to disrupt, derail and just generally spew mendacious rancor on a serial basis; and as long as there's an internet, it won't be the last.

What marks this particular specimen from the rest of us - no matter what side of the political/ideological divide we're on - is the deliberate attempt to provoke hideworthy replies by being as offensive as possible with every single sentence they type.

But no matter how heated we get with one another in debate/discussion - and we have a lot of barn-burners here at DI! - there is one line the vast majority of us will not cross or even contemplate: the call for mass-murder/genocide of an entire group of people because of some perceived "inferiority" of them or, really, for ANY reason at all.

But there a few, a very few, who simply lack such basic human decency when it comes to giving voice to their raw, irrational hatreds. For instance, let's take these open, repulsive calls for genocide (complete with "inferiority" statements about the people they are stating should be murdered en masse):

We should have done the same to the CSA, after all the CSA was far more evil.

The "same" being what the Nazis did to the Jews in Germany.

or

"genocidal maniacs? I wish....the CSA was far more evil (than the Nazis).This nation would have been far better off if those weak and evil traitorous pieces of trash had all been brought to justice.
Instead we, again, had to deal with those evil weaklings...

...The ass kicking was so complete that when the culturally superior parts of the nation

Again, openly stating the wish that the victorious Union forces had simply mass-murdered the millions of men, women, and children civilians left in the post-Civil War South for the sheer blood-lust of it, plus a declaration of a "superior" group of people along Nazi-supremacy ideological lines.

They didn't go far enough.

If they had treated those war-losing and slavery-defending cowards as they deserved, they wouldn't have had to go back south to teach those immoral bigoted weaklings another lesson in decency...

...If you prefer, we can simply say that the south is inferior.

The "far enough" and "as they deserved" again being yet another call for the deliberate genocide of millions of men, women, and children in the post-bellum South; a North American holocaust that would have put a shameful blot on U.S. history every bit as horrific as the blot on German history after WWII. Plus, more "inferior" arguments along Nazi-supremacy lines.

Such repulsive sentiments are (and there is much more of same from that particular author), of course, calculated precisely to stir rancor by calling for mass-murder, not rationally discuss issues.

But how should such scummery be dealt with on a general basis, regardless of the author (this isn't a so-called "call out"; these particular instances just got me thinking)? I'm curious to get DI's overall vibe on the matter.
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Let It Drop: starve the scummery-authors of the attention they crave, and they'll go away
3 (75%)
Engage: argue with the scummery-authors, even though they won't debate with any intellectual honesty
1 (25%)
Alert: put such openly genocidal sentiments before a jury, and let them decide
0 (0%)
Ignore: put the scummery-authors on ignore and be done with it
0 (0%)
Help: call the Admins attention to a scummery-author openly advocating genocide, and ask for action
0 (0%)
Other: none of the above or some combo of it. Tell us about it.
0 (0%)
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Reply On This Day in DI History: How Should Posters Advocating Genocide be Handled? (Original post)
Zimm_Man_Fan Mar 2016 OP
Attera Mar 2016 #1
Zimm_Man_Fan Mar 2016 #8
Attera Mar 2016 #9
i verglas Mar 2016 #17
Zimm_Man_Fan Mar 2016 #18
i verglas Mar 2016 #19
Zimm_Man_Fan Mar 2016 #21
magdrop Mar 2016 #25
Zimm_Man_Fan Mar 2016 #27
Zimm_Man_Fan Mar 2016 #20
i verglas Mar 2016 #22
Zimm_Man_Fan Mar 2016 #23
i verglas Mar 2016 #24
kcci Mar 2016 #30
kcci Mar 2016 #31
USNRET1988 Mar 2016 #14
Argentina Mar 2016 #2
Zimm_Man_Fan Mar 2016 #10
foia Mar 2016 #3
Zimm_Man_Fan Mar 2016 #11
Duke Lacrosse Mar 2016 #4
joefriday6 Mar 2016 #5
Zimm_Man_Fan Mar 2016 #12
magdrop Mar 2016 #26
Duke Lacrosse Mar 2016 #32
Zimm_Man_Fan Mar 2016 #35
magdrop Mar 2016 #53
Zimm_Man_Fan Mar 2016 #60
magdrop Mar 2016 #64
rumnrockets Mar 2016 #6
MrSlayer666 Mar 2016 #7
docgeezer Mar 2016 #13
oldenuff35 Mar 2016 #16
Zimm_Man_Fan Mar 2016 #33
kcci Mar 2016 #42
oldenuff35 Mar 2016 #51
kcci Mar 2016 #52
oldenuff35 Mar 2016 #54
kcci Mar 2016 #55
oldenuff35 Mar 2016 #56
kcci Mar 2016 #57
oldenuff35 Mar 2016 #58
kcci Mar 2016 #59
oldenuff35 Mar 2016 #62
Zimm_Man_Fan Mar 2016 #61
oldenuff35 Mar 2016 #63
Zimm_Man_Fan Mar 2016 #15
kcci Mar 2016 #29
kcci Mar 2016 #28
Daves Not Here Man Mar 2016 #34
kcci Mar 2016 #36
i verglas Mar 2016 #37
Zimm_Man_Fan Mar 2016 #38
i verglas Mar 2016 #44
Zimm_Man_Fan Mar 2016 #47
Zimm_Man_Fan Mar 2016 #39
kcci Mar 2016 #43
i verglas Mar 2016 #45
Zimm_Man_Fan Mar 2016 #48
i verglas Mar 2016 #46
Zimm_Man_Fan Mar 2016 #49
Zimm_Man_Fan Mar 2016 #50
Boadicea Mar 2016 #40
Zimm_Man_Fan Mar 2016 #41

Response to Zimm_Man_Fan (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 03:51 PM

1. Anyone who advocates for "mass murder" should be called out.

 

Ignoring them is not an option.

Do you have any links BTW? I've been out of here for a while, not sure which posts you are referring to.

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Response to Attera (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 04:09 PM

8. Here are two threads littered with such genocidal talk:

http://www.discussionist.com/1016164554#post88

http://www.discussionist.com/1014234796#post27

Though there are many more of that flavor from same.

Glad you're back, Attera!

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Response to Zimm_Man_Fan (Reply #8)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 04:10 PM

9. Thanks Zimm!!

 

X

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Response to i verglas (Reply #17)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 04:43 PM

18. I'm not seeing it. Then, my peepers aren't what they used to be.

Where's the "let's have us some genocide" part in that linked OP?

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Response to Zimm_Man_Fan (Reply #18)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 04:47 PM

19. aw, and here's me with less than 50% vision in one eye, seeing so clearly

 

For anyone genuinely confused:

Texas residents condemn plan for Muslim cemetery
... Mayor Joe Helmberger calls residents' worries unwarranted and says the cemetery will be approved if development standards are met.

May it fill up

A jury certainly seemed to find it problematic, narrowly as it was, and unusual as that is hereabouts.

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Response to i verglas (Reply #19)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 04:53 PM

21. "May it fill up"? That's your definition of calling for mass murder?

Curious, these communications breakdowns we seem to have. I'm not even sure on some days that we speak the same language, though the words look the same and when I say them out loud they sound the same as I'm sure they must when the chilly Canadian air rings with them.

The jury got that one wrong, BTW. Another "B-B" found its mark, I reckon.

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Response to Zimm_Man_Fan (Reply #21)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 05:45 PM

25. Your idea of genocide is a whole lot crazier.

Everyone is already dead.

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Response to magdrop (Reply #25)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 05:57 PM

27. If someone states "instead of letting the remaining German/Japanese

civilians live after WWII, we should have killed all of them" that is advocating that in the past a genocide should have been carried out that wasn't. It is a repellent sentiment, one that would be quite rightly condemned by decent human beings.

We are not arguing or discussing that such a genocide actually occurred. But, then, you know that: you're just reflexively defending a poster you perceive is on your "side" regardless of what he/she says or does (the poster in question has said different things at different times about what gender he/she is, thus the uncertainty), and doing so by pretending I've said something I haven't.

On a side note, some of your fellow liberals have privately told me they think the poster in question is not a liberal at all, but a conservative trying to make liberals look bad by posting such pro-mass murder sentiments on a regular basis.

Anyway, NO ONE is arguing that that was what actually happened - the victorious Union did not mass murder the defeated Southerners - but saying that it should have happened is morally and ethically repellent. And so is defending those who make such pronouncements. Period.

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Response to i verglas (Reply #17)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 04:48 PM

20. BTW, if you're succesful I'll get the mail anyway, but if it isn't

can someone please post the result's of my friend here's alert? Thanks!

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Response to Zimm_Man_Fan (Reply #20)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 04:56 PM

22. all I can advise you

 

is not to hold your breath.

I hope I've helped.

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Response to i verglas (Reply #22)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 05:04 PM

23. It may not be you, but someone will alert. One alerter recently was very, very clever:

they waited until a Sunday morning around 11 am on a reply that had been posted early the previous afternoon, on the premise, I'd wager, that more conservatives than liberals would be occupied with Church rather than DI at that time. Thankfully, the heathen vote wasn't any more impressed with the alert than the devout, and my naughty post survived.

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Response to Zimm_Man_Fan (Reply #23)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 05:16 PM

24. personally, I tend to be busy on Sunday morning

 

watching the backup of EastEnders episodes on the PVR, and then moving on to the Sunday news shows, while chopping vegetables for the coming week's suppers. Unless there's some important Man U game on, in which case I'll be getting a start on whatever job is due on Monday. As I am about to do now, the one due on Tuesday being particularly lengthy, and the client being particularly peeved about missed deadlines. He's just like the rest, of course; can't live without me. But I get tired of listening to his whining and carrying on, so this time I'm going to surprise him and be early.



I'll try to remember the Pro Tip though.

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Response to Zimm_Man_Fan (Reply #23)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:05 PM

30. ITS A CONSPIRCY!!1!

 

Is there no end to the injustices you must face?

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Response to Zimm_Man_Fan (Reply #8)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:08 PM

31. You poor victim.

 

Glad to see that you are now writing OPs about how badly I hurt your little feelings.

You are, by far, my favorite commenter.

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Response to Zimm_Man_Fan (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 03:57 PM

2. I think such posts should be debated.

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Response to Argentina (Reply #2)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 04:12 PM

10. Thanks for your reply! Appreciate the input. n/t.

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Response to Zimm_Man_Fan (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 03:58 PM

3. I don't vote to hide such posts

Because leaving them exposes the person for who they are.

I also just gloss over and ignore such posts because they don't merit a reply or giving the poster the attention they so obviously seek.

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Response to foia (Reply #3)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 04:13 PM

11. That's been my general take on it, with reservations. n/t.

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Response to Zimm_Man_Fan (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 03:59 PM

4. It depends on who's killing they are advocating.

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Response to Duke Lacrosse (Reply #4)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 04:02 PM

5. Yep.

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Response to Duke Lacrosse (Reply #4)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 04:13 PM

12. Excellent point!

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Response to Duke Lacrosse (Reply #4)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 05:48 PM

26. In this case they are advocating killing dead people.

I can't muster the appropriate outrage for some reason.

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Response to magdrop (Reply #26)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:15 PM

32. #CorpseLivesMatter

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Response to magdrop (Reply #26)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:33 PM

35. So, if someone stated "in retrospect, I wish Hitler had killed ALL

of the Jews because then we wouldn't have to put up with the state of Israel" - as some very vicious anti-semites do state all the freakin' time - you wouldn't be outraged?

I know both I and about any other decent human being would. And so, I suspect, would you - indeed, you'd be all over this forum denouncing it, especially if the person saying it was either a regular DI conservative poster or some prominent Republican outside of DI.

That is no different - not one speck - from pining for the deaths by mass-murder of millions of Southern civilians including women and children after the war was over, as is pointed out in my OP.

No one is pretending that we're talking about an event that actually happened, but rather about a genocide that someone wishes had happened, and openly says so with vile regularity.

Your reply really is disingenuous, and you well know it.

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Response to Zimm_Man_Fan (Reply #35)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:10 AM

53. I'm not the thought police that you seem to think I am.

Advocating for real violence against real, living people is much different than wishing Hitler had been successful in his attempt at extermination.

I don't think that it takes any more tolerance to put up with folks who think that way than it does to put up with folks who think that Muslims should be denied entry or that black lives don't matter.

They're simply wrong. Try and show them the errors of their ways.

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Response to magdrop (Reply #53)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:43 PM

60. Reasonable post, civilly stated. Thank you for your reply. n/t.

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Response to Zimm_Man_Fan (Reply #60)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 07:35 PM

64. My pleasure. There seem to be many high caliber posts in this thread.

Thanks for getting it going.

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Response to Zimm_Man_Fan (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 04:02 PM

6. Good grief. A hypothetical proposal to time travel 150 years in the past and kill confederates?

Who f$#king cares? Rebut it or ignore it.

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Response to Zimm_Man_Fan (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 04:03 PM

7. "Should have" indicates lamentation over an action not taken.

It's not advocating committing genocide right now.

I don't believe we should killed all of the traitors but they definitely should have been dealt with much more firmly.

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Response to MrSlayer666 (Reply #7)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 04:20 PM

13. There's no 'we' involved in this.

That war ended over 150 years ago, and those who participated in it have been in their graves for well over a century. Why not look at it as history to be studied so that we can avoid the errors of the past?

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Response to docgeezer (Reply #13)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 04:33 PM

16. I agree.

Trying to make villains out of those whom you disagree with on a subject that took place a century and a half ago is really looking for something to be negative and nasty about.
I'm not too fond of what the Japanese did to some of my family in WWII yet we hosted and taught Japanese school girls for the last two weeks.

The subject of the war never came up here at home. At school it was brought up one time and was swiftly dealt with. That kind of hate should never be tolerated.

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Response to oldenuff35 (Reply #16)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:23 PM

33. A lot of it IS simply taking pure joy in being the nastiest, vilest kind of

poster one can be while squatting behind an anonymous screen name, and it's a phenomenon that I've noted on plenty of other discussion boards, not just this one and not just this singular instance. There are just some of our fellow human beings who delight in being as "negative and nasty" as they can possibly be to people they don't know, for complex reasons usually arising from inadequacies of all sorts.

To pine for retroactive mass-murder - to be delighted by the notion that had history taken a different turn, an entire group of people including women and children might have been exterminated - takes that to a whole 'nother level, of course, but the overall phenomenon remains the same, thus my poll.

As I said, this isn't a "call out" as much as it is just a general wish to survey DI on the broader question of how such things should be handled, and I've gotten excellent feedback from my fellow DI'ers.

Excellent reply; thanks for your input!

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Response to Zimm_Man_Fan (Reply #33)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:54 PM

42. Said by someone whose user name is to celebrate his fandom of a child-killer.

 

Perhaps if you wipe away your tears you can see the irony/hypocrisy/idiocy/hilarity of your comment.

"As I said, this isn't a "call out""
Of course it is. And I appreciate seeing the cowardice of denying such a simple fact almost as much as I enjoy the fact you did it in the first place.

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Response to kcci (Reply #42)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 05:29 AM

51. This is not a call out either but I sure would like to debate the zimmerman case factually

I have a copy of the court transcript on my comp. Take your best shot but I will call you on each and every lie.

Will you even get into a discussion where it must be factual, as in provable truth by eyewitness or by evidence?

I think you are way to cowardly to have an honest discussion about the Zimmerman case.

Truth and provable facts per eyewitness and or the presented evidence. Your opinion is worthless, what the media lied about is worthless, how you feel is worthless. Facts and only facts or take the cowards way out.

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Response to oldenuff35 (Reply #51)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 08:11 AM

52. "This is not a call out either"

 

A "call out" generally refers to an OP and means a statement that 'talks about', not 'replies to'.
As such, the OP is unquestionably a call out and you most unquestionably don't know what a "call out" entails...
Two mistakes in your opening sentence. Way to start strong.

The facts show that George Zimmerman chased, shot and killed an unarmed black child.
These facts aren't even contested.

"I think you are way to cowardly to have an honest discussion about the Zimmerman case."
And I think you are too uneducated to know what you are talking about.
The difference between your statement and mine?
Your comment managed to prove my statement.

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Response to kcci (Reply #52)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 12:43 PM

54. I have an MS, LEO experience, have testified in many courtrooms.

And can fully comprehend the trial transcripts.

You are being a coward and avoiding a rational and honest discussion per the provable facts and trying to inject lies into your answers.

Zimmerman did not chase anyone any place. He followed a young man, a very large young man into a darkened area as was the responsibility of his neighborhood watch position.

The courts found that at no time did Zimmerman break any law on the night of the incident no did Zimmerman put Martin in a position where a reasonable person would feel their life were threatened.

The court found that after more than enough time for Martin to escape, avoid, and disengage for any existing situation if Martin had felt any threat at all, but that Martin chose to intentionally doubled back and ambushed/assault Zimmerman, that Martin physically wrestled Zimmerman to the ground and tried to kill him by beating his head into the cement. This followed exactly the testimony of eyewitnesses who verified Zimmermans story of Martins criminal ambush/criminal assault on Zimmerman.


The court found that they only criminal assault that night was initiated and committed by Martin.

The court found that the only person to break the law that night was Martin.

Facts, provable facts, are great things to use against those who seek to alter the truth.

You were not there. You only know what you have heard second or third hand in the media and those articles have been proven false.

If you want to talk education then you should know the value of primary information V secondary and hearsay information.

The court dealt in only primary information and certified physical evidence.

You speak only from hearsay and rumor that have many times been proven to be false.

You know that these rumors have been disproven so that leaves us with the firm knowledge that you trying to stir the crap pot with outright and intentional lies.

Welcome to reality, you are busted with your untrue posts yet again.

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Response to oldenuff35 (Reply #54)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 12:56 PM

55. "Are you following him" Police Dispatcher

 

"Yeah"-George Zimmerman

chase CHās/ verb 1. pursue in order to catch or catch up with.
"police chased the stolen car through the city"
synonyms: pursue, run after, give chase to, follow;
Welcome to the English language.
If you need anymore help with English-to-English translations, you just let me know.

"Zimmerman put Martin in a position where a reasonable person would feel their life were threatened."
A southern court found that an unarmed black child being chased, shot and killed by an armed assailant wasn't threatening.
Shocking.

"You are being a coward"
Says the person that is physically intimidated by an unarmed child.
Be careful around daycare centers, tough guy.

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Response to kcci (Reply #55)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:04 PM

56. you chase something with the intent to catch it.

You follow something with the intent to observe.

pretty simple for someone who has written up even a few cases and automatic for those who understand the implications of the words.

You have been busted.

The first rule of holes is when you find yourself in one quit digging.

Your ignorance of the case, and dishonesty in how you portray it have been exposed.

Now you are indicating personal threats to me. I'm always careful, actually legally armed and careful and still alive because of it.

But it is good advice for both sides of any conflict.

If Martin had been more careful in his attack/ambush/criminal assault he may have lived through it.

But as with most people who assault, ambush, and criminally attack others they underestimate the potential lethal ability of those they prey on, just because they know they are sooooooo smart.

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Response to oldenuff35 (Reply #56)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:12 PM

57. I provided the definition. Your inability to grasp basic English, while amusing, is irrelevant.

 

As I accurately stated earlier, "George Zimmerman chased, shot and killed a black unarmed child"

"Now you are indicating personal threats to me"
No I haven't.
Your pitiful attempt to play the victim is nonsense.
Perhaps this is as a result of your tenuous grasp of the English language.
Feel free to quote what you feel is "threatening".

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Response to kcci (Reply #57)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:47 PM

58. You have no concept of the legal world with real people involved, truth, facts, and rational people.

You make up things as you go along and then declare yourself right. My wife sees this in her classroom all the time. It is all about children rationalizing the irrational into what they believe is a believable statement. That is you to a "T".

You believe that everyone should take your word about everything even though you have zero primary knowledge of the subject being discussed, just to feed your out of control ego and arrogance.

If you have zero primary knowledge you have nothing, zero valid input, and no one really believes you anyway. We know that, we even talk about it between us, but your personal arrogance inhibits from understanding this fact.

Carry on with your BS of misinformation and outright lies in your posts. We fully understand the value of those posts, zero...........

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Response to oldenuff35 (Reply #58)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:09 PM

59. I made a specific and accurate statement.

 

Then I proved its accuracy.

"You believe that everyone should take your word"
You only need take the word of the dictionary.

"no one really believes you anyway."
If by "no one" you mean "those that lack basic English comprehension"

"Carry on with your BS of misinformation and outright lies in your posts."
I used a dictionary to prove my statement was completely accurate.
You, on the other hand, accused me of being "threatening" and couldn't provide a single example of your pitiful claims for victimhood.

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Response to oldenuff35 (Reply #58)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 04:03 PM

61. Another excellent string of takedowns, with nothing but irrelevant

non responsive chattering and name calling in return. You posted facts, and all you got by way of reply is a lot of

If it wasn't so pitiful and sad, it'd be hilarious.

Well done, sir.

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Response to Zimm_Man_Fan (Reply #61)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 04:46 PM

63. This poster is beyond rational thought or reasonable and honest debate.

This poster thinks their beliefs constitute absolute facts just because they think them. This posters arrogance is unsurpassed on this board. Truthfulness and factual accuracy from this poster are nonexistent in their posts.

This is one of those people who think so much of themselves that they don't recognize when the rest of us are laughing at their BS self-centered arrogance and irrational posts.

So be it, just keep laughing.

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Response to MrSlayer666 (Reply #7)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 04:23 PM

15. Historically, Lincoln's hope was to "bind up the nation's wounds"

with a policy of pardon and forgiveness, as long as the fighting stopped. Funny, I thought that was a liberal value. YMMV.

I don't believe we should killed all of the traitors but they definitely should have been dealt with much more firmly.

The vast majority of Union generals were either publicly or privately against such a course because they feared it would do nothing more than drive the Confederate veterans into guerilla warfare across the breadth of the South. In Missouri, it had taken tens of thousands of Union troops four years and plenty of bloodshed to contain what was, in effect, a guerilla campaign in one isolated section of ONE state.

One Union general, after the hanging of the conspirators in Lincoln's assassination, was urged in private conversation to recommend just such a policy as you have in your reply. He said "we'd have a million Missouri's on our hands" or words to that effect.

As for the present or past tense of such calls for genocide, if someone stated "Hitler didn't go far enough: if he'd killed ALL the Jews there wouldn't be an Israel!" I'd still consider that a highly offensive and repellent statement. The posts I've referenced have basically said that about the Southern civilians, including women and children, in 1865, the clear inference being that there wouldn't be any of their descendants alive today.

Anyway, thanks for your reply.

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Response to Zimm_Man_Fan (Reply #15)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:03 PM

29. And, as the century of Jim Crow proved, the policy was a failure.

 

Not only was there a century of Jim Crow, there was also the deaths of couragous Civil Rights advocates, the historical ignorace you display and the flags of slavery-defending war-losing traitors are still being flown.

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Response to Zimm_Man_Fan (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:00 PM

28. A tear streaked piece of evidence of your lack of basic literacy...

 

How marvelous.

"We should have done the same to the CSA, after all the CSA was far more evil."
We should have done the same to the CSA as we did to Nazis after WW2.
A very simple and straightforward concept.
Don't worry, I don't for a minute think you were playing dumb.

Take your bleeding-heart bullshit for slavery-defending traitors to the USA elsewhere.

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Response to Zimm_Man_Fan (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:27 PM

34. Not one fuck given. I got bored with this OP.

Huuuuuuge shocker alert!! People say outrageous stuff in the Internet.

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Response to Daves Not Here Man (Reply #34)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:34 PM

36. I disagree.

 

This is awesome.
Personal favorite.

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Response to Zimm_Man_Fan (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:49 PM

37. knowing, as we do, how lies distress you,

 

I wonder whether you will be calling out this particular one.

You quote:
We should have done the same to the CSA, after all the CSA was far more evil. and say:
The "same" being what the Nazis did to the Jews in Germany. and your assertion is, to your certain knowledge, entirely untrue.

I hadn't given enough of a shit to look into it at first, but now I have.

Here is how it actually went -- I, being an honest person, will reproduce the entire relevant portion of the comment:

http://www.discussionist.com/1016164554#post87 (emphasis in the original)
"Hitler did to the Jews"
You mean an evil organization that killed, tortured and raped an entire ethnic group?
There was an equivalent to the Nazis during the Civil War. Guess who that would be.
We killed the Nazis and erased their culture and philosophy. No nazi flags. No Jim Crow of Jewish people after their surrender. No monuments to Nazi leaders.
We should have done the same to the CSA, after all the CSA was far more evil.
And yet for some reason, you think that you can inform the innocent reading public that what the Nazis did to the Jews in Germany is what the poster said should have been done to the CSA.

How do you explain this obvious and egregious falsehood?

Did you cry while you composed it?

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Response to i verglas (Reply #37)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:56 PM

38. Baloney. Here was the context in which that post was made:

"genocidal maniacs? I wish" <---an open admission that this poster wishes mass murder

of all Southerners akin to what Hitler did to the Jews had taken place. This should end this poster's credibility on this or about any other issue for DI'ers across the board, Conservative, Liberal, or Moderate. kcci has just admitted he embraces genocide as a tool of warfare, even of helpless women, children, and the elderly.

http://www.discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1016&pid=164865

And what followed was a double-down, with some equivocation thrown in to confuse a potential jury.

Nice try, but your White Knight act has come a cropper. Better luck next time.

What's amusing is you already know this, but for some reason think people don't know how to scroll up and down an OP they clicked into.

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Response to Zimm_Man_Fan (Reply #38)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:07 PM

44. and here is something fun for you

 

- A + E


Since you are so fond of games.


Your hue-ing and cry-ing is truly pitiful, every time you pull one of these little stunts.

The poster in question is no favourite of mine, as I don't doubt you are well aware, and appears quite capable of looking out for themself.

My white knighting is done for the truth, which is abused mightily hereabouts.

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Response to i verglas (Reply #44)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:18 PM

47. Well alrighty then.

BTW, mathematically, that thing makes no sense. I have to use a lot of mathematical formulas during the busy season, as it's rather important to compensate for shear stress and how deeply to anchor a j-bolt, etc., and that looks to me to be sheer (<---pun! Funny!) gibberish.

The poster in question is no favourite of mine, as I don't doubt you are well aware,

Really? Had no idea. And? Plus, you misspelled "favourite."

My white knighting is done for the truth, which is abused mightily hereabouts.

I'm sure you have convinced yourself of that. Opinions vary, however.

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Response to i verglas (Reply #37)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:08 PM

39. "I haven't given enough of a shit to look into it at first" <----Lookee who

just told a widdle boo-boo falsey while attempting to falsely claim someone else was doing same:

http://www.discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=234980

Scroll down from that reply, my fellow DI'ers, to my faithful friend and shadow's participation in the sub-thread, and one can see she HAS "looked into it before," and we've had practically the same discussion on a link provided by me in the first place. There is no other way she would have seen the original conversation otherwise....

Oh, what a tangled web we weave....

All too easy, this stuff sometimes gets, as Yoda might say.

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Response to Zimm_Man_Fan (Reply #39)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:59 PM

43. I specifically and repeatedly compared the CSA to Nazis..

 

As I repeatedly stated.
It is also a very obvious comparison (except the CSA was more evil as I explained both in that thread and in an OP).

However, I certainly don't think you are being dishonest by playing dumb.
I don't think you are playing at all.

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Response to Zimm_Man_Fan (Reply #39)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:11 PM

45. your card file is very full

 

Me, I don't actually make a point of remembering a throw-away conversation from 6 weeks ago.

Your ... tall tales ... are a dime a dozen, and if I tried to remember every time I'd seen one, I'd have no room in my head for scrumptious recipes.

Look, here's another.

Ask me about it in a week, and I will have no clue what you're talking about. You just really don't matter that much.

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Response to i verglas (Reply #45)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:22 PM

48. Uh-huh - BUSTED! And you well know it. Now, I could reply to this latest,

or just let what came above speak for itself. The latter will suffice.

Oh, and on edit: You just really don't matter that much.

So you keep telling me, every time I hit My Posts. Something doesn't compute in that formula.

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Response to Zimm_Man_Fan (Reply #39)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:14 PM

46. do you imagine the rest of the world is really really stupid?

 

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Response to i verglas (Reply #46)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:23 PM

49. I imagine the rest of the world can see misdirection & obfuscation

when they click on a link that shows precisely what I said was 100% accurate, while the one who posted it tries to pretend just the opposite is the case.

YMMV.

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Response to i verglas (Reply #37)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:52 PM

50. Oh, folks, I'm no great shakes, but just for every reply from #37 to #49

this thread has become an instant classic. Woops!





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Response to Zimm_Man_Fan (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:37 PM

40. Nah. Let'em do their stuff.

If all they have to do for fun in life is post hateful stuff about the south/christians/cops,etc, then God bless'em. What a miserable life they must have to expend so much energy on it.

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Response to Boadicea (Reply #40)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:41 PM

41. Thanks for your reply - I've been very impressed how the DI consensus

seems to be that the best way to deal with this kind of thing is let it be, either ignore it or debate it, but don't try to alert it or Hide it. This is my general feeling, too.

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