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Fri Jul 21, 2017, 10:48 AM

how to reform the news media

The right and the left has had a love/hate relationship with the media for decades. Now, few people trust the news and presume it is corporate/liberal propaganda or sensationalized bullshit for money. Studies show that media people are among the laziest and least curious of the white collar professions. How would you like to see the media reformed?

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Reply how to reform the news media (Original post)
357blackhawk Jul 2017 OP
MumblyPeg Jul 2017 #1
Muddling Through Jul 2017 #2
357blackhawk Jul 2017 #3
Muddling Through Jul 2017 #4
Frankenvoter Jul 2017 #5
Muddling Through Jul 2017 #7
357blackhawk Jul 2017 #8
Frankenvoter Jul 2017 #9
357blackhawk Jul 2017 #11
Zappa Dappa Doo Jul 2017 #12
Frankenvoter Jul 2017 #13
rahtruelies Jul 2017 #6
Frankenvoter Jul 2017 #10
oflguy Jul 2017 #14

Response to 357blackhawk (Original post)

Fri Jul 21, 2017, 10:50 AM

1. it's pretty damned simple.

No, dimocrats, we aren't going to make laws using government to do it either.
We stop watching and reading their bullshit until they start producing unbiased and truthful content.
Trust me on this, they will fall in line with reality and honesty pretty damned quick when their money dries up.
Free markets: solving all the problems dimocrats can't.

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Response to 357blackhawk (Original post)

Fri Jul 21, 2017, 10:55 AM

2. Reform?

I think the right to a free press lets them frame a story any way they want. I think we need to just publicly acknowledge that the concept of an 'unbiased press' is a fiction and admit they have an agenda like any other industry.

Given the ability to pull data more easily to fact check stories, I think the NY Times v Sullivan standard needs to be revisited to lower the standard from "demonstrated malice" to 'reckless disregard' or some equivalent. Sarah Palin has a valid claim against the NYT for the story they ran that could have been fact checked with a 30 second Google search.

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Response to Muddling Through (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 21, 2017, 11:06 AM

3. Yes, the right to free press does

but what Chris Cuomo and Diane Feinstein don't understand, the Press is not limited to media corporations like CNN or TYT. The founders intended that anyone with a blog or You Tube channel is "the press".

Feinstein is as reprehensible as Jeff Sessions

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Response to 357blackhawk (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 21, 2017, 11:08 AM

4. Absolutely.

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Response to 357blackhawk (Original post)

Fri Jul 21, 2017, 11:18 AM

5. Liscence individual journalists at the same time they are handed a diploma in journalism

Get caught covering up facts? Lose your license to practice journalism. Get caught trying to steer public opinion rather than reporting on it? Lose your license to practice journalism. Only give one side of the story, the side you personally prefer the public know about? Lose your license to practice journalism.

A company like CNN can claim a first amendment right to be in business all they want, but if they have no reporters left, because they all lost their licenses for practicing yellow journalism, they cant continue to propagandize.





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Response to Frankenvoter (Reply #5)

Fri Jul 21, 2017, 11:43 AM

7. CNN's job is to cover the facts

with a pillow until they stop moving....................

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Response to Frankenvoter (Reply #5)

Fri Jul 21, 2017, 01:03 PM

8. not what the founders intended

it infringes on freedom of the press and speech. The founders intended anyone with a press. Today that means a blog or You Tube channel. BTW, who decides what the facts are? So, no.

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Response to 357blackhawk (Reply #8)

Fri Jul 21, 2017, 02:38 PM

9. Was "hands up, dont shoot" factual or not?

Who determined it was a false narrative? What is the difference between the press pushing a false narrative, that they had the dash cam to dispute IF THEY WANTED TO, but chose not to, allowing riots, lootings, arsons, and bodily harm to come of, what is the difference between that and you shouting "fire" in a crowded theater? Why are you not allowed to do that? Why is your first amendment limited in that way? What makes the press think they are immune to the same constraints?

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Response to Frankenvoter (Reply #9)

Fri Jul 21, 2017, 08:42 PM

11. no it wasn't

the objective facts and evidence.
Depends if there is a fire or not. There is no law that says you can't. Look up the origin of the phrase.

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Response to Frankenvoter (Reply #5)

Fri Jul 21, 2017, 09:51 PM

12. "Liscence individual journalists at the same time they are handed a diploma in journalism"

Bad idea. And why should one need a degree to practice journalism? I have no problem with a state or municipality requiring certain minimum standards for plumbers, real estate agents, doctors etc. This is for my protection.

There is a natural right for one to express themselves. Anyone can report on what is happening around them. Do you really want the government deciding who gets to write and who doesn’t?

Why do you have such contempt for the First Amendment?

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Response to Zappa Dappa Doo (Reply #12)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 05:42 AM

13. I see. So a plumber needs licensed for your protection but a reporter doesn't

I would submit that a false narrative that causes riots and bodily harm could indeed harm you, and the fact they are pushing the false narrative with no fear of repercussions makes them more likely to do it. You are more likely to be harmed by mob action resulting from it, and a clogged sewage pipe is a whole lot less harmful to you than a bunch of enraged assholes looting and rioting over a lie.

I don't have contempt for the first amendment, I have contempt for presstitutes that use it like a weapon for their favored political party against their opponents, ESPECIALLY when what they are pushing isn't true, and they never bother to tell you a whole other side of a story, because it is not in the best interests of their favored political party to do so.

They are abusing a right that was meant to keep the American people informed fully, and wasn't meant to help keep a favored political party in power and passing laws that affect everyone.

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Response to 357blackhawk (Original post)

Fri Jul 21, 2017, 11:23 AM

6. an end to unnamed sources and journalists fully subject to libel laws

punish media which receives or publishes classified data.

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Response to rahtruelies (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 21, 2017, 02:40 PM

10. As well as dusting off the anti trust laws

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Response to 357blackhawk (Original post)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 01:34 PM

14. Can we reform the Mississippi River to make it stop flowing to the Gulf of Mexico?

The media will always be Left-leaning and here is why.

Most journalism students take up the profession because they want to “make the world a better place.” To do so requires that they be anti-establishment to some degree. Therefore, they view the world as a place that constantly needs to be changed. In and of itself, this is not entirely bad, but a journalist is never satisfied. Otherwise, there would be no need for them, right?

Yeah, I know, you say the job of a journalist is to report the news. Find me one that believes that without adding their slant to the story and I’ll eat your hat.

Some people say that journalists have recently become dishonest. I say they have become more honest. They are reporting more of what they really think.

That is why it is important to understand who and what journalists are. Especially these days it is important to note who wrote and edited a story. Knowing what their politics are has to be taken into account, otherwise we risk being influenced by their agenda instead of the truth.

Truth. What an elusive thing that is. Sadly, some of us seek it more diligently than others.

No, journalists don’t need licenses. We just need to realize the nature of the business and be always aware that their “truth” can be quite different from the actual truth. Understanding who and what they are helps greatly.

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