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Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:40 PM

I have a right to be white, or don't I?

In that lays the solution to what everyone is bloviating over today. I CANNOT be KKK or Neo-Nazi, I have been in the US Army. I'm not saying there are not racists on both sides in there but as much as Vietnam sucked, if there was one benefit of that war it was the lifelong friendships between whites and blacks that wouldn't have been there otherwise, history forced a mixing of our oil and water.

I can't make blanket statements these days even though I know there are those here ready to tell me where I did and when in a post or two, but the problem as I see it is that after 8 years of Oasshole picking at the scab, rather than trying to heal it, your average white person has had just about enough of being blamed. And they are tired of every other minority group in America not only embracing their heritage but flaunting it and using it to get ahead in any governmentally approved way possible.

But not if you're white. You are to be ashamed of your race if you're white. Any white pride is racist white pride. Equating someone saying "The Wright Brothers invented flight", with the klan saying whatever they said about blacks or jews today in Charlottesville. No one wants to talk about that, and yet in that is the root of the problem.

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Reply I have a right to be white, or don't I? (Original post)
Frankenvoter Saturday OP
Andronikos Saturday #1
Let it go Saturday #2
fools_gold Saturday #5
Andronikos Saturday #7
TendiesForBreakfast Saturday #6
Andronikos Saturday #8
TendiesForBreakfast Saturday #12
Frankenvoter Saturday #16
Let it go Saturday #3
Andronikos Saturday #4
TendiesForBreakfast Saturday #9
Andronikos Saturday #10
TendiesForBreakfast Saturday #13
fools_gold Saturday #14
Andronikos Saturday #18
TendiesForBreakfast Saturday #21
Frankenvoter Saturday #17
Andronikos Saturday #20
Frankenvoter Saturday #23
Andronikos Saturday #25
Grumpy Pickle Saturday #11
FreeWheelBurning Saturday #15
Squeek Saturday #19
Frankenvoter Saturday #22
TendiesForBreakfast Saturday #24
Spanish Ladies Sunday #27
Bubba Sunday #28
I814U2CY Sunday #29
Jardinier Sunday #30
Model10RB Saturday #26
Jardinier Sunday #31

Response to Frankenvoter (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:42 PM

1. You should be ashamed of this post

I'm sure others here will tell you why. All I have is *face palm*.

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Response to Andronikos (Reply #1)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:44 PM

2. It's the truth. I'm Asian and that's how I see it.

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Response to Andronikos (Reply #1)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:50 PM

5. How about you tell me why?

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Response to fools_gold (Reply #5)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:51 PM

7. See below

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Response to Andronikos (Reply #1)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:51 PM

6. Is it that you don't want to explain why, or that you're incapable of it?

Why is there a double standard?

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Response to TendiesForBreakfast (Reply #6)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:52 PM

8. See below

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Response to Andronikos (Reply #8)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:56 PM

12. You still haven't addressed the OP's point.

Even if you follow the premise that race is a social construct, why the double standard between whites and everyone else? If race is not important, then why the reactions ranging from "meh" to approval for black pride, yet kneejerk accusations of racism for white pride?

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Response to TendiesForBreakfast (Reply #12)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 05:34 PM

16. ***

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Response to Frankenvoter (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:45 PM

3. You're supposed to curl up into a ball of self hate.

That's what the left wants.

Don't do it. Everyone should be able to celebrate who they are.

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Response to Andronikos (Reply #4)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:53 PM

9. Why aren't Norwegians among the fastest sprinters in the world?

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Response to TendiesForBreakfast (Reply #9)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:55 PM

10. There is one, just one, human genome.

Not a basketball genome, and a track genome, and a hillbilly genome....you get my drift.

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Response to Andronikos (Reply #10)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:58 PM

13. What on earth are you talking about?

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Response to TendiesForBreakfast (Reply #13)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 04:21 PM

14. He doesn't really know.

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Response to TendiesForBreakfast (Reply #13)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 05:51 PM

18. "Race" is not a valid concept. "Race" cannot be used to explain particular human abilities.

"Race" is a cultural construct.

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Response to Andronikos (Reply #18)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 06:16 PM

21. Genetics is what we use to partially explain particular human abilities.

Traits beneficial to the health and survival of an organism long enough to produce offspring persist through the following generations.

Higher levels of melanin near the equator are beneficial to the health and survival of people living under the harshest levels of sunlight and UV radiation. Additionally, living in a place where sugary foods such as berries are not common would make a biological trait allowing for longer and greater sugar storage advantageous.

In higher latitudes, lower levels of melanin are beneficial, where a shortage of sunlight requires the body to more efficiently absorb and use vitamin D. Sugar storage is not as important, as sugar-rich berries are endemic to northern climates.

As you might expect, people with much lower levels of melanin are at extraordinarily-disproportionate risk of skin cancer when compared with people with much higher levels. Also as one might expect, people from equatorial regions with biological needs to store sugar longer suffer from diabetes at much higher rates than those from sugar-rich environments.

Whether you like the idea of "race" or not, it's just silly to pretend differing levels of melanin are the only results of selective evolutionary pressures on populations residing in vastly different regions of the world.

And note, since I didn't say "thus, black people are inferior and white people are superior", it's very obvious simply discussing biological differences between humans is not racism.

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Response to Andronikos (Reply #10)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 05:45 PM

17. I agree with that from a species perspective

I've never been to college and so my thinking and phrasing may be off but it is akin to taking a species of dragonflies, say, and noticing differences in them like colors of bodies or larger or smaller eyes but they are all still dragonflies. I agree with your premise from that perspective.

But there is no doubt that among the human species there are distinct differences, and that where there is order, civilization, structures of governance, standards of morality, it tends to be white anglo saxon protestant. It just does. I'm not saying a tribe in Africa or even an innuit family up in Alaska don't have forms of societal structure and their own set of values, but they aint flying a helicopter out of their shithole anytime soon either.

I'm not saying the white race is supreme over all other races but it is superior, it just is. With the Asians, especially the Japanese, pulling up a good second on that. It's racist to say that, I know, but no more racist than a black dude with the #BLM shirt at a protest. Why do black lives matter and white lives don't? Why is HE calling it BLACK lives, when everyone else is required to say "African American"? Double standards, that's why.

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Response to Frankenvoter (Reply #17)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 05:57 PM

20. Basically, you get what I'm saying

Yes, there are distinct differences among human groups. These are due largely to cultural and environmental differences, not "race".

I disagree that the "white race" is superior. What is your objective standard of superiority? By what objective standard do Asians "pull up a good second"?

A "white" man suddenly thrust into the Arctic would appear very very inferior to the Inuit. Probably would be a polar bear's dinner within a week.

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Response to Andronikos (Reply #20)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 06:29 PM

23. Everything is relative, there is no doubt about that

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Response to Frankenvoter (Reply #23)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 06:56 PM

25. Yeah, you get it

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Response to Frankenvoter (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:56 PM

11. Nazi ! ...( points finger at white dude )

All white dudes are nazis.
You are a white dude.
Therefore, you are a nazi.

See how that works ?...Lefty Logic 101.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #11)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 04:35 PM

15. Actually, that logic is 100% spot on

I think you may have meant

All Nazis are white
You are white
Therefore you are a Nazi

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Response to Frankenvoter (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 05:57 PM

19. Just wondering when the last time

you, a white person, were forced to sit in the back of a bus, or drink from a different water fountain, or kicked out of a restaurant, or hung from a tree, etc., because of your color?

When's the last time anyone tried to make you out to be less than human...an animal...because you're white?


What the hell is wrong with minorities having pride in their heritage when for hundreds of years they were treated like animals...worse than animals...for their color? Made to feel ashamed of their color or heritage...


You tell us the last time you were treated like a piece of shit because of your color, then come back and talk about having White Pride.





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Response to Squeek (Reply #19)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 06:25 PM

22. When was the last time a black person had to sit at the back of the bus?

That's right, about 60 years ago or so, right? I wasn't alive then, were you? Blacks having pride in their race is not the issue I am raising, whites not being allowed to have any pride in thiers is. It is causing the racism you claim you are so allergic to.

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Response to Squeek (Reply #19)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 06:40 PM

24. Strawman.

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What the hell is wrong with minorities having pride in their heritage when for hundreds of years they were treated like animals...worse than animals...for their color? Made to feel ashamed of their color or heritage...
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The OP didn't say that, and nobody replying has said that. I don't care if black people, gays, Latinos, or East Asians choose to celebrate pride and have in-group preferences, as it's entirely their right to celebrate their respective collective heritages and choose to associate with their own.

What the OP pointed out is that there is a notable exception to pride and in-group preferences: white people. Black, Latino, and Gay pride are met with varying degrees of indifference or enthusiastic celebration, but white pride is almost universally met with disgust and kneejerk accusations of racism.

Forced segregation, slavery, and institutionalized bigotry based on immutable characteristics were vile and regrettable parts of our history, but it's our intellectual and philosophical histories which led our civilizations to be the first in human history to universally outlaw them.

What you're talking about is revenge, not equality.

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Response to Squeek (Reply #19)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 12:09 AM

27. This one hit home for me and I'm sorry squeek

you should be absolutely embarrassed at the above commentary. While the below poster succinctly destroyed your above narrative, I will go a bit further.

Preface. I don't know you but know enough about history that your above commentary would be objectively accurate at one point in history, but not today good sir

The fact that you would drag this up as a counter to current events boils my blood for all of the Dems and republicans that have fought hard over the last 60 years to make this world more equitable. The fact that you would bring the above up like no progress has been made is disingenuous at best and unamerican at worst. I'm with the poster below in assuming you have never experienced these atrocities (and no should any human being) but I do know for a fact that i, a current conservative and south texas trump supporter, treat all humans with the dignity and respect all humans should be afforded. I get that you don't like my politics and will label me nazi and racist and homophobic and xenophobic but honestly your labels no longer hurt me. I know who I am as a human and your labels about my politics are just that. I'm sorry I will NEVER vote for your politics for this reason: see above post from you. you can't make me feel bad for who you think I am, because I know who I am.

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Response to Spanish Ladies (Reply #27)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 03:24 AM

28. Very Good Post. N/T

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Response to Squeek (Reply #19)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 07:28 AM

29. The term "white privilege" was invented to silence and disenfranchise whites.

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Response to Squeek (Reply #19)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 03:24 PM

30. How dare you even suggest my family is less than human and animals!

Where are you getting this ugly shit from! Is this how you view people that are not white?

My son is retired from the military and he wouldn’t be if I raised him by telling him the world would see him as less than human - a mere animal in fact and also a piece of shit.

YOU are the problem not the solution. Knock it off!

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Response to Frankenvoter (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 07:14 PM

26. The best thing about being white...

Is that we never talk about being white.

Not at home, not at work, nowhere.

I honestly do not think I have ever discussed being white with my children.

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Response to Model10RB (Reply #26)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 03:26 PM

31. I didnt discuss skin color with either of my sons.

There is a problem when parents raise their non white children by telling them the world is out to get them.

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