Wed Oct 4, 2017, 04:44 AM

shrekli? as an expert in applied psycology ....

is there any way that we can identify those with predilictions for violence and prevent them from acquiring the tools to carry out attacks?

note: i am not talking about "gun control," but about restricting their use to those with legitimate purposes, including self defense or collecting?

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Response to rampartb (Original post)

Wed Oct 4, 2017, 05:19 AM

1. Many people who legally carry concealed have had a good background check and firearm training ...

before getting their license. People with a concealed carry permit rarely misuse their weapons.

Permit Holders are Extremely Law-abiding

Permit holders on rare occasion violate the law. But in order to truly appreciate how incredibly rare those problems are one needs to remember that there are over 12.8 million permit holders in the US. Indeed, it is impossible to think of any other group in the US who is anywhere near as law-abiding.

To get an idea of just how law-abiding concealed handgun permit holders are, compare them to police. According to a study in Police Quarterly, the period from January 1, 2005 to December 31, 2007 saw an average of 703 crimes by police per year.8 113 of these involved firearms violations. This is likely to be an underestimate since not all police crimes receive media coverage. The authors of the study may also have missed some media reports.

So how law-abiding are police? With about 685,464 full-time police officers in the US at that time, that translates into about 103 crimes by police per hundred thousand officers. For the US population as a whole over those years, the crime rate was 37 times higher -- 3,813 per hundred thousand people.

Perhaps police crimes are underreported due to leniency from fellow officers, but whatever the reason the gap between police and the general citizenry is so vast that this couldn’t account for more than a small fraction of the difference.

Concealed carry permit holders are even more law-abiding. Between October 1, 1987 and June 30, 2015, Florida revoked 9,999 concealed handgun permits for misdemeanors or felonies.9 This is an annual rate of 12.8 per 100,000 permit holders. In Texas in 2013, the last year the data is available, 158 permit holders were convicted of misdemeanors or felonies – a rate of 22.3 per 100,000.10 Combining the Florida and Texas data together implies that permit holders are convicted of misdemeanors and felonies at less than a sixth the rate for police officers.
Firearms violations among police occur at a rate of 16.5 per 100,000 officers. Combining the data for permit holders in Florida and Texas, it is only 2.4 per 100,000.10 That is only 1/7th the rate for police officers. The data are similar in other states.


According to the Florida Concealed Weapon or Firearm License Summary Report during the period between October 1, 1987 - September 30, 2017, 3,691,382 concealed weapons permits were issued and currently 1,812,121 are valid.

12,658 permits were revoked but 1,097 were reinstated. Only in168 cases where a license was revoked was a firearm utilized.


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Response to batcat (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 4, 2017, 06:03 AM

2. i have such a permit.

they are a good requirement.

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Response to rampartb (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 4, 2017, 06:10 AM

3. I also have had one for the last 20 years. I feel that the requirements are fair, reasonable...

and work well.

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