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TM999 Apr 2018 OP
Model10RB Apr 2018 #1
Gamle-ged Apr 2018 #2
TM999 Apr 2018 #3
batcat Apr 2018 #4
Charlie Mike Apr 2018 #5
PapasOldShoe Apr 2018 #6
kc_tim Apr 2018 #7
FreeWheelBurning Apr 2018 #8
PapasOldShoe Apr 2018 #9
FreeWheelBurning Apr 2018 #10
PapasOldShoe Apr 2018 #11
FreeWheelBurning Apr 2018 #12
PapasOldShoe Apr 2018 #13
_eek Apr 2018 #14

Response to TM999 (Original post)

Wed Apr 11, 2018, 06:29 PM

1. I could not imagine trying to teach debate (both sides of an issue) under those circumstances.

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Response to Model10RB (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 11, 2018, 06:42 PM

2. Debate is not what the Left desires in an educational environment, debate is the antithesis of...

... indoctrination...

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Response to Gamle-ged (Reply #2)

Wed Apr 11, 2018, 07:10 PM

3. Our university model grew out of religious Scholasticism.

The Dialectic or debate is the very foundation of learning. To win an argument, you must be able to understand and if necessary argue the opposing side.

You are right. This is not about knowledge or education. It is about indoctrination and 'diversity'. Is it any wonder our educational system is becoming one of the lowest in the West? First it was elementary and secondary, and now thanks to the disease of neo-Marxist progressive liberalism, it is happening to post secondary education as well.

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Response to TM999 (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 11, 2018, 07:58 PM

4. Our teachers today are not supposed to teach students how to think but instead ...

what to think.

We are approaching a time where we will have Thought Police as was predicted in George Orwell’s novel

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Thought Police

In the novel Nineteen Eighty-Four (1984), by George Orwell, the Thought Police (Thinkpol in Newspeak) are the secret police of the superstate, Oceania, who are charged with uncovering and punishing "thoughtcrime" and thought-criminals. The Thinkpol use psychological methods and omnipresent surveillance (e.g. telescreens) to search, find, monitor, and arrest citizens of Oceania who would challenge the status quo — the authority of the Party and of Big Brother — even if only with a thought.

George Orwell’s concept of “thought policing” derived from his “power of facing unpleasant facts”, in his criticizism of society’s prevailing ideas — which often placed him in conflict with other people and their “smelly little orthodoxies”.
https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Thought_Police.html

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Response to TM999 (Original post)

Wed Apr 11, 2018, 09:05 PM

5. Ethnic cleansing.

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Response to TM999 (Original post)

Wed Apr 11, 2018, 09:20 PM

6. So I am an atheist ...

 

and one of my professors finds me unfortunately overcome with emotion in a hallway, and, for whatever reason, I tell him or her the reason for my distress.

The professor offers the unsolicited remark, obviously intended as advice, that he or she prays in such situations.

How do I respond?

"Thank you"? Why should I thank someone for insulting my intelligence and my convictions?

"No thank you?" Why would I risk saying something that would quite possibly be taken as an insult?

What I'm really thinking? Yeah right and risk my future in the class.


No unqualified, uninvolved party should offer unsolicited personal advice to a person in serious emotional distress over a life-altering event. It would be appropriate, and appropriately professional, for a university employee to make sure that a student knows that the school has a counselling service and suggest that the student might want to avail himself or herself of it.

Similarly, why would a professor consider it appropriate to inform his or her students of his or her fervent desire to make converts to his or her religion? Is this a response to the students' question that encourages or even opens a door to discussion? What student who found that answer bizarre or unpleasant would dare to say so? A classroom is not the place to discuss anyone's personal religious beliefs. Let alone the instructor's.

I see a pattern of behavior. I'm not at all surprised that others saw the same.


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Response to PapasOldShoe (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 12, 2018, 01:03 PM

7. It was a muslim chick, not an atheist

Do muslims pray?

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Response to PapasOldShoe (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 12, 2018, 03:33 PM

8. Where's the insult?

I am not a religious person and I don't see the insult in the scenario you described. The professor merely stated that they pray in such situations.

I think if I were in that situation I would simply say, "Thank you" knowing that the professor was trying to help me by suggesting something that helped him. Not all well wishes from religious people are cover for recruitment.

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Response to FreeWheelBurning (Reply #8)

Thu Apr 12, 2018, 03:36 PM

9. Sure.

 

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Response to PapasOldShoe (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 12, 2018, 03:37 PM

10. Sure what?

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Response to FreeWheelBurning (Reply #8)

Thu Apr 12, 2018, 03:43 PM

11. "knowing that the professor was trying to help me

 

by suggesting something that helped him." (Her, actually.)

Yes, we all know that this individual and her sort are pure as the driven snow, innocents abroad, with nary a disingenuous bone in their body.

Who among them would ever imagine that someone might not be best pleased - let alone helped - by a suggestion that they deal with their devastating personal problem by praying?

Unsolicited advice to pray, like unsolicited offers of prayers, given to strangers, are pretty easy to recognize as potentially intrusive and unpleasant to the receiver.

One might actually expect a grown-up university professor to have encountered this concept.


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Response to PapasOldShoe (Reply #11)

Thu Apr 12, 2018, 03:51 PM

12. Some yes, some no

"Yes, we all know that this individual and her sort are pure as the driven snow, innocents abroad, with nary a disingenuous bone in their body. "

All I know about this person is what is written in the article. I do not consider that enough information for me to form an opinion about their intentions. I certainly do not think there is enough information to lump her in with any "sort", pure or otherwise.

In this situation I would potentially be more bothered by any unsolicited advice but that is highly unlikely. I tend to take well meaning gestures from others as just that, a well meaning gesture. Whether it be religious, professional or something other. The take way for me is usually that they mean well.

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Response to FreeWheelBurning (Reply #12)

Thu Apr 12, 2018, 04:20 PM

13. But you omit the part (and I failed to remind you)

 


that this individual wasn't just a random stranger or acquaintance.

She was the young woman's professor. Someone in a position of authority and power over her students.

That was actually the entire point of my original post.

"Well-meaning" doesn't come into it, in that situation.

Just like I can't ask you what the ethnic origin of your surname is when I interview you for a job, even if I am only curious because you seem South American and my uncle is married to a Bolivian.

The student's response, even if she was offended, had to be conditioned by her relationship with the professor: subordinate. Putting her in that position at any time is unfair and unacceptable; doing it to someone in a vulnerable condition is extra so.

I wonder what an atheist would have said to her .........

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Response to PapasOldShoe (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:39 AM

14. Please be respectful and honest.

You forgot to capitalize.
It's Atheist.

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