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Thu Aug 9, 2018, 06:46 PM

You probably think you know all about Jordan Peterson.

Hell, if you're a fan, you probably don't care. But for the rest of us,

I was Jordan Peterson’s strongest supporter. Now I think he’s dangerous.

* I thought long and hard before writing about Jordan, and I do not do this lightly. He has one of the most agile and creative minds I’ve ever known. He is a powerful orator. He is smart, passionate, engaging and compelling and can be thoughtful and kind.

* I was once his strongest supporter.

* That all changed with his rise to celebrity. I am alarmed by his now-questionable relationship to truth, intellectual integrity and common decency, which I had not seen before. ...



Read why we non-fans have always thought that -- that Peterson is unethical and dishonest -- since we were forced to know who Peterson is a scant two years ago, in a piece written by someone who has worked with him for years, pushed for him to be given a faculty appointment, and put him and his family up in his own home.

(The point of immediate contention between them is ludicrous, and I absolutely stay out of that dogfight. The substance of the article stands.)

Long read, but worth it.

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Reply You probably think you know all about Jordan Peterson. (Original post)
PapasOldShoe Thursday OP
MumblyPeg Thursday #1
PapasOldShoe Thursday #3
MumblyPeg Thursday #8
Solesurvivor Thursday #2
Meowmenow Thursday #4
blue Thursday #5
fszwfnj Thursday #6
safestuffer Thursday #7
357blackhawk Friday #9
PapasOldShoe 13 hrs ago #17
TM999 Friday #10
PapasOldShoe 16 hrs ago #11
TM999 16 hrs ago #12
PapasOldShoe 14 hrs ago #14
TM999 14 hrs ago #16
762Justice 16 hrs ago #13
PapasOldShoe 14 hrs ago #15
Carlos W Bush 11 hrs ago #18
PapasOldShoe 12 min ago #19

Response to PapasOldShoe (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 06:59 PM

1. lefty does everything he can to attack and discredit his ideological opponents.

And based on my last interactions with you, I've determined that you are intellectually dishonest as well.

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Response to MumblyPeg (Reply #1)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 07:18 PM

3. Sorry about your confusion.

Anything I can do to help you?

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Response to PapasOldShoe (Reply #3)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 09:49 PM

8. yea, checking back in with reality would be a good first step

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Response to PapasOldShoe (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 07:09 PM

2. Yes yes he has to be stopped so some former friend

Will come out and disparage him.

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Response to PapasOldShoe (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 07:58 PM

4. Guy sets off my "creepy dude" radar.

Then the collective of his fan base kind of confirms it.

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Response to PapasOldShoe (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 08:07 PM

5. Iverglass... You just can't quit us.



I forgot who else you were with your many-splendored socks.

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Response to PapasOldShoe (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 08:09 PM

6. I didnt know much about him and after reading

the article I think we need a lot more academics with his common sense approach to reality.

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Response to PapasOldShoe (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 09:22 PM

7. That article is utter bullshit, extremely biased, and fails to address any points Peterson makes

"Following his opposition to Bill C-16, Jordan again sought to establish himself as a “warrior” and attacked identity politics and political correctness as threats to free speech. He characterized them as left-wing conspiracies rooted in a “murderous” ideology — Marxism. Calling Marxism, a respectable political and philosophical tradition, “murderous” conflates it with the perversion of those ideas in Stalinist Russia and elsewhere where they were."


Lol, this drivel is nothing more than a poorly written hit piece
What utter trash....basically, Jordans ideas are extremely popular and the author disagrees with them, therefore he is a "dangerous demagogue"

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Response to PapasOldShoe (Original post)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 12:31 AM

9. this guy is educated?

Where did he get his degree, out of a box of Cracker Jacks? What a fallacious hit piece. Uses argument by assertion and ad homonym. Not a single reason of substance why anyone should be "afraid" of Peterson.
In short, he is "dangerous" because he has popular appeal, has more citations on Google Scholar than I do, resists groupthink, and doesn't follow conventional wisdom.
I had more, but I found this guy who hit most of the same points.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/black-laboured-logic-in-former-friends-diatribe-against-jordan-peterson

http://olegvolk.net/

Post Script: Oh, and Bernie's defense of Marxism. Sorry Bernie, Marxism has always lead to totalitarian repression, genocide, "re-education" camps, and famine. Not only the USSR, but also Cuba, Nicaragua, Cambodia, Vietnam, Venezuela, GDR, DPRK, Somalia before anarchy, and the list goes on.

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Response to 357blackhawk (Reply #9)

Mon Aug 13, 2018, 05:05 PM

17. Well, I'll bet he could spell "ad hominem".

I'll also bet that he knows the difference between

(a) reporting unflattering facts about an individual and demonstrating that things the individual says are lies
(what he did)

and

(b) relying on unflattering facts about an individual to refute what the individual says
(ad hominem argument)


Oh, and there was no "defense of Marxism". There was a demonstration that Peterson lies about Marxism like he lies about everything else.


Oh, and HAHAHA, the Toronto Sun. Know thy sources, son; know thy sources. And then the people will be less likely to point and laugh.



"Black is a freelance writer working in corporate finance in the entertainment industry." -- Hmm, an unemployed bookkeeper for strip joints -- eminently qualified to comment on the professional ethics of a clinician/professor!

No, I didn't read it. I don't read anything in any Sun. The word "tabloid" means something.


"In short, he is "dangerous" because he has popular appeal, has more citations on Google Scholar than I do, resists groupthink, and doesn't follow conventional wisdom."

Actually, he's dangerous because engages in exactly the same dishonesty as you have engaged in here, he just has a wider audience.

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Response to PapasOldShoe (Original post)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 02:04 AM

10. The rest of us?

You mean feminazi's from Canada?

Or perhaps you mean disbarred lawyers?

Or perhaps you mean a poster that has had two socks now as her first avatar got kicked off the island for being obnoxious and rude?

Ah, the projection of the modern left.

No, who is unethical and dishonest is this man. He is a retired professor of clinical psychology who can not accept that his child has a mental disorder. Any conflict he actually has with his one time student should have been dealt with in private. Instead he is 'airing his dirty laundry' in a virtue signaling way pretending to 'warn' the world about the 'extreme' Jordan Peterson.

This is a hit piece. It is unethical. It is professionally inappropriate. Peterson is a better man and professional than either you or this asshole will ever be.

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Response to TM999 (Reply #10)

Mon Aug 13, 2018, 01:40 PM

11. That's quite a problem you have there.

I say:

"Hell, if you're a fan, you probably don't care. But for the rest of us, ..."

and you are unable -- or for some bizarre reason pretend to be unable -- to grasp that "the rest of us" is those of us who are not a fan of Peterson.

You know:

* Hell, if you are a fan of mustard, you probably don't care that there is no ketchup on the table. But for the rest of us (WHO ARE NOT FANS OF MUSTARD), we want ketchup.

* Hell, if you are a fan of Jordan Peterson, you probably don't care that you don't know these things about him. But for the rest of us (WHO ARE NOT FANS OF JORDAN PETERSON), we want to know.


If there is anything I can do to assist ... maybe the little reading comprehension challenge series I worked on in school when I was 10 would help?

I'm afraid there is not likely anything I can do about the appalling lack of morality that causes you to repeat these lies so endlessly, or about the very bizarre obsession that you exhibit. If you think of anything I could do to help, let me know.


PS -- Peterson is one of the most unethical dirtbags on the planet. If you read the article, you know that. Of course, it was obvious to the naked eye of anyone the first time they lighted on one of his trollish screeds and rants on the internet. Unethical, immoral dirtbag. That's him.

And it's the ethical duty of anyone and everyone to report that.

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Response to PapasOldShoe (Reply #11)

Mon Aug 13, 2018, 01:45 PM

12. Let me guess?

Your disbarment was for ethical violations?

Peterson is one of the most ethical, honest, direct, and real intellectuals in the public sphere. I read the whole article, and I see a bitter old man whose child is trans who has a bad case of resentment and envy. Instead of dealing with any real personal issues between the two of them (which would have been the ethical thing to do), he did a very public character assassination.

You always deflect from your failings and your lies. Perhaps you need to go back to 5th grade for remediation?

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Response to TM999 (Reply #12)

Mon Aug 13, 2018, 03:44 PM

14. Peterson is a liar.

He lies constantly. About everything.

Small wonder he has your adulation.

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Response to PapasOldShoe (Reply #14)

Mon Aug 13, 2018, 04:05 PM

16. No sweetheart.

We tell the truth. You can't handle so you claim we are the liars. You are lying to yourself and every one else. Now go play with your Fuzzy, Ivy!

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Response to PapasOldShoe (Original post)

Mon Aug 13, 2018, 01:52 PM

13. I don't even know who he is,

so, I don't think I know anything about him.

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Response to 762Justice (Reply #13)

Mon Aug 13, 2018, 03:47 PM

15. Well then, ahem,




I can never decide which I hate more, that or Roberta Flack droning on about the first time ever she saw my face. Ugh. Both horrible.


Anyway, if you actually don't know who Jordan Peterson is, you haven't been paying attention. All the inadequate little boys of the alt right worship at his feet.



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Response to PapasOldShoe (Original post)

Mon Aug 13, 2018, 06:48 PM

18. Jordan Peterson tends to bitchslap liberals without even breaking a sweat.

I'm a big fan.

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Response to Carlos W Bush (Reply #18)

Tue Aug 14, 2018, 06:24 AM

19. Of course you are.

What have I been saying?

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