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Sun Dec 2, 2018, 06:00 PM

Pressure Within Black Community

My veteran's organization state Commander is black, bigoted and incompetent. Most everyone wants to vote him out and we discuss it with increasing frequency. However, when it comes down to someone making a motion to remove him the black members go mousy. They complain, but refuse to act. We've had several black Commanders, one female, so this isn't even close to being a "first" issue.

I asked a couple of them if they were being pressured to support the Commander just because he's black, The reply came back, "you'll never know just how much pressure we're under." And they're right; I don't know. What type of threats could be used in this case? I simply do not understand this phenomenon.

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HerasHeaddress Dec 2 OP
Charlie Mike Dec 2 #1
HerasHeaddress Dec 2 #2
His Daughter Dec 2 #4
HerasHeaddress Dec 3 #5
oflguy Dec 2 #3

Response to HerasHeaddress (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 06:09 PM

1. Pressure for what, though?

War game this out.

COA A: He's left in place.

Maybe something bad happens or maybe nothing bad happens. If he's as bad as everyone says the likelihood of the former happening increases by the day.

That means people will start looking in. What will they see?

Cowardice.

COA B: He's removed.

He has to be replaced. Pick a good replacement.

People look in because of the resulting turmoil. What will they see?

Effective leadership and moral courage.


Like bad news, incompetence does not get better with time. It only ends up infecting those who should be managing the process.

Save yourselves.

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 07:01 PM

2. I'd like to

do either of those thing because what everyone sees is turmoil, cowardice. The black members see it as well, but won't take action because of the pressure to support the guy based on shared skin color instead of competence. I'm hoping His Daughter or TM999 will see this thread and give some insight.

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Response to HerasHeaddress (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 09:09 PM

4. My first comment would be African-American vs Black. A subtly many do not understand

Not all blacks in this country are African-American which is a mostly urban subculture. A-A often has much more of a herd mentality. As the OP pointed out, retribution for leaving the plantation is part of that mentality. You see it everywhere. Acting white is an African-American epithet, not a black one.

A-A culture is fairly rigid with strong rules and hierarchy. Not follow it and there will often be consequences. Even Obama got criticized for his presidential run, being openly said it was not his time yet. Marry outside the race, not protest or support things the A-A leadership says to and you are labeled an apostate, race traitor etc. It is a group where seniority matters, the church is deferred to, and everybody thug who gets killed was good kid straightening out their life. at least in public and on camera. Reality is not nearly so nice with hucksters, quick buck artists, and criminals much more common that anyone is willing to acknowledge outside of the DOJ Unified Crime Reports.

I have been fortunate in that I have been in a merit focused environment for most of my life. However, when I was not, I was criticized for not really being black, or black enough. The person saying it was African-American woman. Mom called her on that...and she was not nice.

In uniform I often was the senior woman and senior person of color in the command. A lot of race and gender issues found their way to me. My primary answer was to be a good soldier first and foremost and then much of the nonsense would go away. It usually did. There were clear cases of discrimination and bias, but they were rare. I did not tolerate those either. Most of that crap happened stateside. Deployed we were too busy for much of that nonsense to surface. It was also there that some people considered questionable shined and some who looked good stateside faded. Medicine and the military have strong meritocracy cultures and we find ourselves in crucibles where are mettle will be tested. Those are some of the reasons I liked them as much as I did and get annoyed with civilian attitudes.

With all of the above, remember that I am an outlier. I call myself black vice African-American and am often a good distance from the herd.

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Response to His Daughter (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 06:08 AM

5. That pretty much

explains the difference, thank you very much. The individuals getting the flak are even afraid to say that much.

The majority would call themselves AA in this case, then. One of the things that the AA will say to the people of color they think are straying is "We blacks have got to stick together." Sounds like they use AA and black interchangeably or when it suits their purpose.

It also sounds like the 'not black enough' accusation is being lobbed, frequently. Being white I see nothing I can do to stop it. The people who are under this oppression are really suffering. They want our group to get back to supporting fellow veterans.

This form of racism within a race is tearing at the fabric of this organization. Even if there are complaints to the National branch it's unlikely anything would be done for fear of racism charges towards them. I don't see a fix.

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Response to HerasHeaddress (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 07:10 PM

3. Here in New Orleans a black woman opened a po-boy restaurant on Freret Street

They had really good food and business was booming........that is until the owner placed a campaign poster in her window for a white candidate for councilwoman.

The ministahs went bezerk, threatening to picket her business and organize boycotts until she removed the sign. Someone threw a brick through a large shop window and her employees refused to show up for work in fear of their lives.

The business owner had no choice - either remove the sign or face closing her doors.

When I heard about her plight, I ate there every opportunity I got, but within a year she had to go out of business.

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