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Fri Jan 11, 2019, 09:27 PM

The DEA smashes one of Trumps main claims about the border wall


The DEA smashes one of Trump’s main claims about the border wall


written by Phillip Smith / Independent Media Institute January 9, 2019

https://www.alternet.org/2019/01/the-dea-smashes-one-of-trumps-main-claims-about-the-border-wall/

As the president attempts to make his case for a wall on the US-Mexico border, one of his main selling points is that the wall would reduce the flow of illicit drugs into the country. But his own Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) knows better, and its 2018 National Drug Threat Assessment, released just two months ago, makes clear that at best Trump is uninformed and at worst that he is lying to the American people.

“Remember drugs. The drugs are pouring into this country. They don’t go through the ports of entry. When they do, they sometimes get caught,” Trump claimed at a Rose Garden news conference last Friday.

It’s not a new claim for the president; it has been a pillar of his claim that there is a “crisis” on the border. But repeating a false claim doesn’t make it any less false. What is true, as the DEA reports, is that the southwest border “remains the primary entry point for heroin into the United States,” but it is not being lugged across the desert via a wall-less border.

According to the DEA, “the majority of the flow is through POVs entering the United States at legal ports of entry, followed by tractor-trailers, where the heroin is co-mingled with legal goods. Body carriers represent a smaller percentage of heroin movement and they typically smuggle amounts ranging from three to six pounds taped to their torso, or in shoes and backpacks.”

To be clear, the body carriers the DEA is talking about are people coming through ports of entry—not across an open border. The agency reported that only “a small percentage of all heroin seized” along the border was seized between ports of entry.

It’s the same thing with fentanyl. According to the DEA, which says fentanyl imports are split between China and Mexico, Mexican drug traffickers “most commonly smuggle multi-kilogram loads of fentanyl concealed in POVs before trafficking the drugs through Southwest Border ports of entry.” In the San Diego sector, which saw the biggest fentanyl seizures, 74 percent of seizures were from cars at ports of entry. In the Tucson sector, which had the next highest fentanyl seizure numbers, that figure was 91 percent.

Claiming that building a border wall would reduce the flow of drugs into the country is probably not the biggest lie Trump and his allies have told about the wall, but it is patently false.

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Response to bobsal (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:08 PM

1. '''a small percentage of all heroin seized along the border was seized between ports of entry.''...

...thanks for proving that "one of his main selling points is that the wall would reduce the flow of illicit drugs into the country" is indeed true. Good job!!!

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Response to quad489 (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 12:02 AM

3. as with all lefty DNC propaganda, its what they don't say and what's in between the lines that

really matters.
Why doesn't lefty tell us how much drugs got through "between ports of entry"?
That's right, because there's no way to count all of it that they didn't "seize"

Lefty is such a deceptive little liar. I'd be ashamed if I tried to pull stunts like this...
And I'd have enough of a conscience to question why I was supporting something that could only be sold with fucking lies and deception.

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Response to quad489 (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 11:12 AM

14. But it DOES reasonably question the wall's value-for-money.

The majority of illegal immigrants are visa overstayers and the majority of illegal drugs enter at ports of entry. That doesn't render the wall useless at all...but might it not mean the wall isn't worth the billions* it will take to build and man it? Is a wall the best use of these funds in terms of combating these problems?

* no way in hell that project ends up costing "only" $5 billion, either...

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Response to Tovera (Reply #14)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 12:19 PM

15. Really? Pretend the forum is Katie Steinle's parents and tell us how the wall isn't worth the money

"But it DOES reasonably question the wall's value-for-money."




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Response to quad489 (Reply #15)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 01:53 PM

16. The "if it saves one life" argument? Seriously?

Gosh, I never took you for a gun control proponent...

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Response to Tovera (Reply #16)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 03:25 PM

17. Your deflecting from answering the simple question is noted..........................

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Response to bobsal (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:52 PM

2. There are at least two problems with this argument.

First, the goal was to reduce the flow of drugs, not to stop it. Anyone with more than 2 functioning brain cells knows that. Drugs flow into supermax prisons too, despite all the countermeasures.

Second, the points of entry are the most heavily patrolled areas, so of course most of the seizures are going to occur there. Vast sections of our border are very lightly patrolled. Just because most of the drugs are caught at POE doesn't necessarily mean that that is the main point of entry. We just don't know. For example, it used to be believed that the main users of illicit drugs was the urban population and most of the law enforcement was concentrated there. That is until the opiate epidemic of suburbia was "discovered"

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Response to bobsal (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 05:17 AM

4. Get ready.

For all the people that know more about drug trafficking than the DEA does.

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Response to bobsal (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 06:00 AM

5. Nice editorial

Is there any other bullshit you would like to push?
Spit it out now.

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Response to bobsal (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 07:06 AM

6. bobsal - Question

Why are you opposed to protecting the southern border?

1 - You think illegal aliens have a "right" to enter however they see fit

2 - Orange man bad

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Response to foia (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 09:38 AM

8. Thank you for asking at two reasonable questions

1. As an ex boomer sailor I've taken the integrity of the American borders very seriously. I believe our borders are safe because our governments have all taken the borders very seriously since the first World War.

Border walls have never kept refugees from one country out of another. Look at all the Germans who made it over the Berlin Wall and how many North Koreans who make it out to South Korea, Japan and Red China. I think you and I can at least agree that the Soviets and the East Germans, and the North Koreans really knew how to build a wall, right? And the Chinese repatriate a huge percentage of those they capture and are know to execute native Chinese who co-operate in NK border crossing, traditionally charging families for the bullet used to kill loved ones.

We won't even get into the fact that undocumented crossing of the US/Mexican border has been falling steadily for several decades as NAFTA and even Trumps NAFTA Lite have helped the Mexican economy improve so that economic refugges from Mexico have dropped in numbers. Let alone ICE says that half the undocumented Mexicans in this country went to Canada on a visa and then went to the US or flew into the US on a visa and over stayed.



"Declining numbers from Mexico

The population of unauthorized immigrants over the last 4 years has largely flat-lined, remaining stable. Yet the Mexican undocumented population, which is 52 percent of the total, has consistently declined. Partly it's the difficult economy, which hasn't fully recovered, and a more secure border. And President Obama, nicknamed the "deporter-in-chief" by some, has been aggressive at sending people back to their country of origin -- more than two million to date."



"Well over half of the illegal immigrant population arrived after 1995

Obama's executive action will cover people who have citizen or legal permanent resident children who have been here for at least five years, meaning 2009 or before. His move will also expand the time frame use for the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) measure to include any children who were brought to this country illegally before 2010."



Illegal immigrants make up a 5.1 percent of the workforce

"Because of that youth, illegal immigrants are over-represented in the workforce -- 5.1 percent versus 3.5 percent of the overall population.

During his speech announcing his executive order, Obama made several references to illegal immigrants roles in the workforce. He talked about "workers who pick our fruit and make our beds" and "the determination of immigrant fathers who worked two or three jobs without taking a dime from the government." Dating back to 1995, as their population rose, illegal immigrants have steadily joined the workforce, peaking in 2011. The parents of lawful permanent residents and citizens who have been here for more than five years will be able to apply for work permits and temporary relief from deportation."

What this means is less than 3% of the population is more than 5% of the work force. Another words they use social services less than native born Americans. One reason is: they don't to stay here: they would like to move back and forth on a work visa but can't ironically by immigration laws that cause them to be undocumented. Allowing open movement under ICE and Homeland Security would decrease the number of "illegals" dramatically.

Who do you suppose benifits from the currant mess? Not you or me. The wealthy who want low wages do. People like Trump who don't want to pay for what they get, unlike folks like you or me. The problem with the border isn't about crime or terrorism. Its about getting people like you and me to be misguided about the real problem: greedy business owners who want low wages and voting for policies that attack non problems with billions they'll reap fighting them and keeping wages low.

2. I do not believe in undocumented immigrants strolling across the border, but I do believe in a bracero program like we used to have for decades in this country to allow work visas that allow guest workers to cross the border both directions, and I believe in humanitarian visas. I also think "conservatives" need to look at how our screwed up immigration laws contributed to the formation of MS-13 in LA during Reagan's administration.

3. Trump has certainly contributed to the problem by ginning non-existent problems at the border and misdirecting his followers attentions from real problems he contributes to with his own hiring practices. Do you know about the hundreds of thousands the Koch brothers have paid in fines over their use of undocumented workers? Why haven't they been jailed yet? And you do know Obama repatriated more undocumented immigrants than any other President including Trump, right?


Thanks again for asking reasonable questions. Quoted passages come from https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/11/21/7-charts-that-explain-the-undocumented-immigrant-population/?utm_term=.611ca872c271

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Response to bobsal (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 10:18 AM

9. The Berlin wall worked pretty well

Maybe 5,000 people crossed it in all the time it was up.

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Response to def_con5 (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 10:57 AM

10. No kidding.

Pretending that the Berlin Wall "didn't work" shows somebody is not being forthright. They pretend that anybody who felt like it could cross it at will. This was certainly not the case.

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Response to foia (Reply #10)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 06:21 PM

12. Well, the machine guns helped deter any crossings...

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Reply #12)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 07:41 PM

13. And the top of the wall was semi-circular with barbed wire and broken glass embedded in it.

So even if you were able to survive the machine guns getting over the top of wall was no spring picnic.

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Response to bobsal (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 07:27 AM

7. And they know how much goes through by illegal entries how??????

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Response to bobsal (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 03:55 PM

11. It's La Raza. It's the take back for 1848.

You posted your stats but you don't take into account the aggressive machismo Mexican culture. You should research that more. Want me to start posting the horrific stats about Mexico, the cartels, their self-induced poverty? The gangster culture, Jesus Malverde?

Trump's not telling you his plan. Unlike Obozo, he doesn't telegraph his moves.

I suspect Trump's plan is this: Funnel ALL traffic through pinch point entry areas, then lay the squeeze down on Mexican cartels. Trump will also raise Visa fees on Mexicans astronomically, which will pay for the wall.

Northbound Mexican traffic will slow down so that Border Control can search more vehicles, more people walking.

Trump has earned my vote in 2020.

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