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Thu Jan 31, 2019, 06:38 AM

DEPRAVED: Virginia Democratic Gov. defends abortion up to point of birth and maybe beyond



Wednesday morning on a local radio station, Virginia’s Democrat Gov. Ralph Northam defended an extreme abortion bill introduced by state Democrats last month that would legalize late-term abortions up to the point of birth. And then, unprompted, he may have suggested it should be legal to kill a live baby after birth.

Northam was asked about the controversy surrounding an exchange in the Virginia House of Delegates in which Del. Kathy Tran, a Democrat from northern Virginia, was asked by a Republican lawmaker if her bill legalized abortions up to the point at which a mother is about to give birth. Tran admitted her bill would legalize abortions through 40 weeks, even up to the point of birth. Northam tried to downplay the significance of that fact.

“This is why decisions such as this should be made by providers, physicians, and the mothers and fathers that are involved,” Northam said. “When we talk about third-trimester abortions, these are done with the consent of obviously the mother, with the consent of the physicians — more than one physician, by the way — and it’s done in cases where there may be severe deformities. There may be a fetus that’s non-viable.”

Northam gets Tran’s proposed bill wrong. The legislation would repeal several state abortion restrictions, including the requirement that two other physicians certify that a third-trimester abortion is necessary to prevent the mother’s death or a serious health impairment.

But Northam went even farther than that into madness. He explained that if a baby was delivered, a “discussion” would follow between the physicians and the mother about what to do next.

“If a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen,” he said. “The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”

What do the physician and the mother possibly have to discuss after the baby has been born? If he’s suggesting she and the physician can decide to abort after birth, we call that infanticide. Murder.

Every Democratic presidential candidate needs to be asked about these evil late-term abortion bills. If this is where the Left is, that babies should be killed even when they are viable outside the womb, the American people deserve to know exactly who and what they’re voting for.



https://www.conservativereview.com/news/depraved-virginia-democratic-gov-defends-abortion-point-birth-maybe-beyond/

I don’t shock easily, this shocked me


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Reply DEPRAVED: Virginia Democratic Gov. defends abortion up to point of birth and maybe beyond (Original post)
Gunslinger201 Jan 2019 OP
HerasHeaddress Jan 2019 #1
AmandaCMatthews Feb 2019 #10
Squeek Jan 2019 #2
357blackhawk Jan 2019 #3
Squeek Feb 2019 #12
safestuffer Jan 2019 #6
Squeek Feb 2019 #13
Charlie Mike Jan 2019 #9
Squeek Feb 2019 #14
Charlie Mike Feb 2019 #15
joefriday6 Jan 2019 #4
sobek Jan 2019 #5
Squeek Feb 2019 #16
D26-15 Jan 2019 #7
outside Jan 2019 #8
Muddling Through Feb 2019 #11

Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2019, 07:37 AM

1. As I said

in another thread on this subject I'm pro choice/reproductive rights within limits. What was proposed in VA is so far beyond a limit it's horrifying. I don't think I'm alone in this.

What the governor stated was so egregious in support of infanticide that it casts a shadow over his profession as a physician.

The people of VA should be thinking hard about this and him. The bill was defeated, but he's still in office.

As an aside: I lived in the Charlottesville area for a few years. It's nothing like the South I know and love.

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Response to HerasHeaddress (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 03:41 AM

10. I don't think I'm alone in this.

Hell no you aren’t. I’m right behind you.

Abortion has become just another form of ‘birth control’. Aborting a full-term viable human being is murder.

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The procedures that can be done in the third trimester include:

Induction Abortion: a rarely done surgical procedure where salt water, urea, or potassium chloride is injected into the amniotic sac; prostaglandins are inserted into the vagina and pitocin is injected intravenously.
Dilation and Extraction: a surgical abortion procedure used to terminate a pregnancy after 21 weeks of gestation. This procedure is also known as D & X, Intact D & X, Intrauterine Cranial Decompression and Partial Birth Abortion

http://americanpregnancy.org/unplanned-pregnancy/abortion-procedures/

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Dilation & Evacuation (D&E)
How is dilation & evacuation performed?

Dilation and evacuation is a surgical abortion procedure performed after 16 weeks gestation. In most cases, 24 hours prior to the actual procedure, your abortion provider will insert laminaria or a synthetic dilator inside your cervix. When the procedure begins the next day, your abortion provider will use a tenaculum to keep the cervix and uterus in place and cone-shaped rods of increasing size are used to continue the dilation process.

A numbing medication will be used on the cervix. A shot may be given before the procedure begins to ensure fetal death has occurred. A cannula (long tube) will then be inserted to begin removing tissue away from the lining.

Then, using a curette (surgical instrument shaped like a scoop or spoon), the lining is scraped to remove any residuals. If needed, forceps may be used to remove larger parts. The last step is usually a final suctioning to make sure the contents are completely removed.

The procedure normally takes between 15-30 minutes. The fetal remains are usually examined to ensure everything was removed and that the abortion was complete. An antibiotic will be given to help prevent infection.

What are the side effects and risks of dilation & evacuation?

Common side effects include nausea, bleeding, and cramping which may last for two weeks following the procedure.

Although rare, the following are additional risks related to dilation and evacuation: damage to uterine lining or cervix, perforation of the uterus, infection, and blood clots. Contact your healthcare provider immediately if your symptoms persist or worsen.

http://americanpregnancy.org/unplanned-pregnancy/surgical-abortions/

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2019, 09:08 AM

2. sigh....

another shiny object.

This person is doing a pretty effective job of trolling. I highly doubt she really believes this claptrap, and it would not pass anyway.

This is on about the same level, trolling-wise, as Charlie Rangel's occasional call for a national draft


Not gonna happen anytime soon.

Extreme late term abortions....never gonna happen.

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Response to Squeek (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 31, 2019, 09:24 AM

3. passed in New York

the RI governor said she would sign a similar bill.

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Response to 357blackhawk (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:24 AM

12. And barring

its use by some really depraved doctors, it's not going to be a pervasive thing. First of all, I can't imagine any woman going that far into pregnancy and then agreeing to the murder of what would be, at that point, an actual baby.

And second, most doctors I've known are ethical people, no matter what the laws are.

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Response to Squeek (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 31, 2019, 01:04 PM

6. Uh..except late term abortions are legal in 8 states.

And the entirety of Canada

And China
And North Korea.

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Response to safestuffer (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:26 AM

13. and so how many

actual babies...those born at, or after, the third trimester, are being thrown into the trash?


post some numbers on that please.

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Response to Squeek (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 31, 2019, 05:41 PM

9. If it's no big deal why are they pushing the bill?

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #9)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:35 AM

14. See, this is where

the Anti Choice crowd is being trolled.

If you're all lathered up about partial birth and post-birth "abortions", it will take the focus off of abortions done in the first trimester.

Like I said, having given birth three times myself, I cannot imagine any woman agreeing to an abortion that late in pregnancy.

And here's the thing....any woman who CAN imagine it, or coldbloodedly allow it to be done, would not be a fit parent anyway. If she refused to give the child up for adoption, it's probably better it doesn't survive at all. That is just a straight fact, my friend. You don't turn an innocent baby over to someone who would probably end up killing it from neglect or abuse.

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Response to Squeek (Reply #14)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:40 AM

15. Or....

...it will expose the Left as fanatics to be opposed because there is no end to their depravity.


"...it will take the focus off of abortions done in the first trimester."

Supposedly that issue was settled by Roe v Wade, so your claim makes no sense.

It seems to me that you just don't want us discussing the situation.

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2019, 09:43 AM

4. Shocked me, my wife and all my neighbors. This monster piece of shit should be fired NOW!

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2019, 10:53 AM

5. Lefty faggots hate children because they can't have any.

They wonder why they get the bleach MAGA treatment.

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Response to sobek (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:43 AM

16. "Lefty faggots hate children because they can't have any."

That's a pretty sad opinion that doesn't make sense.


"Lefty faggots" as you call them can have all the children they want if they adopt or go through artificial insemination with a willing female.

There are plenty of hetero males AND females who don't want kids. Not everyone wants kids. Some people recognize that they wouldn't make good parents. I admire them for being aware of that rather than running around spreading their seed everywhere and not taking care of the kids they've spawned.

That is NOT the definition of a "man".

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2019, 03:05 PM

7. Ralph should have been aborted. SMH

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2019, 05:15 PM

8. So the Doctor

is holding a living person in his/her hands and then the mother and the doctors will talk about if this person will live or die. I heard nothing about how long the mother can wait until she's made up her mind. 5 minutes, 60 minutes, 3 years.....

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 08:44 AM

11. From Ace of Spades:

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