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Fri Feb 8, 2019, 02:30 PM

Should White Boys Still Be Allowed to Talk?

When you ask a question at a lecture, is it secretly just your opinion ending with the phrase “do you agree?” If so, your name is something like Jake, or Chad, or Alex, and you were taught that your voice is the most important in every room. Somewhere along your academic journey, you decided your search for intellectual validation was more important than the actual exchange of information. Now how do you expect to actually learn anything?

American society tells men, but especially white men, that their opinions have merit and that their voice is valuable, but after four years of listening to white boys in college, I am not so convinced. In my time at Dickinson I have listened to probably hundreds of white boys talk. It feels incessant. From classes and lectures, to the news and politics, there is an endless line of white boys waiting to share their opinions on the state of feminism in America, whether the LGBTQ+ population finally has enough rights, the merits of capitalism, etc. The list of what white boys think they are qualified to talk about is endless. Something very few of them seem to understand is that their (ill-informed, uncritical) opinions do not constitute truth. In fact, most often their opinions aren’t even original. White boys spout the narrative of dominant ideologies and pretend they’re hot takes instead of the same misleading garbage shoved down our throats by American institutions from birth.

I am so g****mned tired of listening to white boys. I cannot describe to you how frustrating it is to be forced to listen to a white boy explain his take on the Black experience in the Obama-era. Hey Brian, I’m an actual Black woman alive right now with a brain. In what world would your understanding of my life carry more weight than my understanding? Unfortunately, it is this world, where white men debate the pain of other people for fun and then take away their rights. The second thing most white boys seem not to understand is that they do not exist separate from the rest of the world. You do not speak alone, you speak with the weight of every other white man who has spoken over a woman, erased the contributions of queer people from history, or denigrated “broken English” as unintelligent. You speak with the weight of policies and laws meant to forever define intelligence by how it measures up to the bros of America.

So, should white boys still be allowed to share their “opinions”? Should we be forced to listen? In honor of Black History Month, I’m gonna go with a hell no. Go find someone whose perspective has been buried or ignored and listen to them, raise up their voice. To all the Chrises, Ryans, Olivers, and Seans out there, I encourage you to critically examine where your viewpoints come from, read a text that challenges you without looking for reasons to dismiss it, and maybe try listening from now on.

https://thedickinsonian.com/opinion/2019/02/07/should-white-boys-still-be-allowed-to-talk/

Our country is going in a bad direction.

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Reply Should White Boys Still Be Allowed to Talk? (Original post)
JanetS Feb 8 OP
Charlie Mike Feb 8 #1
imwithfred Feb 8 #5
Daves Not Here Man Feb 8 #7
SatansSon666 Feb 12 #15
Grebbid Feb 8 #2
Grumpy Pickle Feb 8 #8
Magyar Heidinn Feb 8 #3
Tovera Feb 8 #4
His Daughter Feb 8 #6
Grumpy Pickle Feb 8 #10
Lira Feb 11 #13
Grumpy Pickle Feb 8 #9
Da Mannn Feb 8 #11
Lowrider1984 Feb 10 #12
Muddling Through Feb 12 #14
AmandaCMatthews Feb 13 #16
Prismmonkey Feb 13 #17
safestuffer Feb 13 #18
Prismmonkey Feb 13 #19
safestuffer Feb 13 #20
Prismmonkey Feb 13 #22
safestuffer Feb 13 #23
Prismmonkey Feb 13 #24
safestuffer Feb 13 #25
Prismmonkey Feb 13 #26
safestuffer Feb 13 #27
safestuffer Feb 13 #21

Response to JanetS (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 02:37 PM

1. Punch Stalinists.

There's no common ground. There's no reasoning with them. They insist on a monopoly on all economics, politics, and social matters.

Peaceful coexistence is not possible.

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 03:13 PM

5. ".....Peaceful coexistence is not possible....."

Uh huh.

For years now, there's been no point in trying to play nice with them, in going halfway to meet them, in doing them any favors.

The conduct of the lorgnette-and-pearls crowd here is a pretty good example of this; they're snobs, they think of themselves as some sort of special "elite," they imagine themselves pretty smart and this side pretty stupid, they really don't want to get along.

It's a waste of energy trying to get along with them.

Some day they're going to whine, "why can't we all get along?" in which case they need a mirror shoved into their fucking faces.

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Response to imwithfred (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 03:16 PM

7. calm down, lil fella. no need to get....shitty....

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Response to Daves Not Here Man (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 11:16 AM

15. ...

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Response to JanetS (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 02:50 PM

2. The real outrage is that she feels comfortable sharing this garbage

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Response to Grebbid (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 03:50 PM

8. She's even proud of it.

War on wytpepo.

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Response to JanetS (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 02:55 PM

3. Sad, how white liberalism has subjugated and tormented their victoms

into such a racial divide for nothing more than political power.

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Response to JanetS (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 03:09 PM

4. The author is getting absolutely roasted in the comments.

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Response to Tovera (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 03:13 PM

6. As she should

She is a Good Will Ambassador for Dickerson...seriously

One should not judge people by locales but there are times I wonder if anything good comes out of NYC these days

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Response to His Daughter (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 04:00 PM

10. " Good Will Ambassador " ?

She sounds like a hater.

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Response to His Daughter (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 08:43 PM

13. I just skimmed the essay

so I may have missed it. Is the author from NYC? I ask because Dickinson is in PA.

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Response to JanetS (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 03:59 PM

9. LOL !

What a bunch of shit.

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Response to JanetS (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 04:28 PM

11. White men are the new Jews. Democrats are the new Nazis

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Response to JanetS (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2019, 12:25 PM

12. Everyone is "allowed" to talk, Princess,

no one has to listen.
Maybe when you get your "degree" in African American Studies (or Women's Studies, or Lesbian Studies) you can move to Wakanda, and you won't have to listen to white boys EVER AGAIN!

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Response to JanetS (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 11:08 AM

14. He should file a Title IX complaint.

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Response to Muddling Through (Reply #14)

Wed Feb 13, 2019, 07:53 PM

16. Yes, someone should.

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Response to JanetS (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2019, 08:56 PM

17. Look at the comments, though

That piece is getting some epic push back. Rightfully so.

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Response to Prismmonkey (Reply #17)

Wed Feb 13, 2019, 09:16 PM

18. It gets even better when the authors mother shows up in the comments

And basically says the same thing as her daughter.

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Response to safestuffer (Reply #18)

Wed Feb 13, 2019, 09:44 PM

19. Whaaaaat

I have to see this.

. . .

Jesus, no wonder.

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Response to Prismmonkey (Reply #19)

Wed Feb 13, 2019, 09:50 PM

20. Here is her mothers post

Cynthia Kolbowski on February 9th, 2019 11:30 am

Last week my son’s photograph was featured in the Saturday New York Times. He was protesting outside of a federal jail in Brooklyn where inmates had been without heat and electricity for a week during the polar vortex. The photograph shows him shouting passionately into a megaphone pointed upward toward what I know to be the jail windows being rattled by desperate prisoners inside. I was proud.

In the same week I find that my daughter, his twin sister, has taken up her own metaphorical megaphone in a Dickinsonian op ed and she too has captured national attention. Again, I am proud.

But I am also shaken by some of her critics and I would claim surprise but I’d be revealing the perpetual return of my woefully Pollyanna-like White privilege. To those critics, I would like to say this:

My daughter, Leda, should not have to water down her discourse in a higher education setting for those unfamiliar with basic concepts such as institutionalized racism. She should not have to coddle any student nor be anybody’s nice Black girl. She should not have to be a bridge builder or a patient communicator or a generous educator – unless and when she wants to be. My daughter should not have to censor rhetorical devices that call out the dominant ideologies of the white, patriarchal privilege that colonizes us all. She should not have to modify her speech in a college newspaper for those in the audience who think concretely and personally rather than critically and symbolically.

My daughter’s so-called vitriol in a personal statement, a student editorial directed at that colonization; the audacity that she suggests listening instead of speaking, is unmatched by the ad hominem assaults in the comments and by the thinly veiled indictment by President Ensign, who holds actual institutional power in her hands, and who distances herself from Leda rather than suggesting reflection on the part of my daughter’s critics.

My daughter’s critics operate in the context of the national response to her op ed in venues like Breitbart and internet forums such as 4chan. All of the responses prove the point of her piece. Sorry, not sorry that you cannot understand that my daughter is a little bit angry because she lives in a world where she is now being called a ‘fat kike mulatto pig’ ‘who will be hunted down and killed in the coming purge.’ Sorry, not sorry to the Dickinson mother who notes she fears for her White son in both the Dickinsonian and the Breitbart comment sections. My Black child attends school on a campus in a town in which the KKK is handing out fliers. Where’s your outrage there? You think 4chan is a marginal group to which my daughter has no exposure? Individual female Dickinson students are known and discussed there. My daughter’s photograph is amplified there. The KKK is active there in cyberspace and there, up close and personal, in Carlisle.

Fortunately, most comments on my daughter’s op ed, both in the Dickinsonian and on the Dickinson Facebook page link, include vigorous student support that seeks to spell out the concepts that underly Leda’s choice of expression with the patience and academic foundations it should not always be her burden to offer. Those students are learning how to do this at Dickinson and that makes me proud of my daughter’s soon to be Alma Mater. Now it is incumbent on the Dickinson educators to take on the open dialogues Leda’s piece has provoked while protecting and supporting her.

For those White people who like to quote Martin Luther King, Jr, I share this:
“First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can’t agree with your methods of direct action;” who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a “more convenient season.”
Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.”

And here is a sampling from 4chan – reproduced because you need to know and not be sheltered:

Every utterance of the term “white boy” is a re-confirmation of the nigger’s utter anal devastation at being a chimp

Fat kike mulatto pig?

Leda Fisher is desperate for huWhite cock

I’d like to see some monkey nigger try to “shut me up”

Fucking white cucks and their pet niggers need to hang

Dickinson is a school for the super privileged
this includes morbidly obese and retarded jew mulattos who only get in thru (((tribal affiliation)))

Should niggers, Jews and spics be allowed to live?

Meh, people like Leda Fisher are going to be hunted down and killed in the coming purge.

Killing fuckers like this bitch is going to be so goddamn satisfying.

Her career plan is getting fucked by a different guy every night while receiving money from the government

“you say 6 million? I say 6 million more!”

Meh, people like Leda Fisher are going to be hunted down and killed in the coming purge.

Killing fuckers like this bitch is going to be so goddamn satisfying.

Used to date a girl who graduated from Dickinson in 2012
Worst thing that ever happened to me. I can’t even begin to number the personality disorders this chick had. I thought I knew what a gas lighting sociopath was… Boy was I wrong. Boys, I’m not gonna brag, but I’m a tough guy. This shit gave me PTSD
She was a 110% pre-SJW whore. Thought it “empowered her” to get plowed by niggers and old men for drugs and money
She’s a black woman, which is two very fucking good reasons why nobody should ever take anything she says or writes seriously.

I doubt she’s a kike, she was definitely educated by them though.

Piggy wiggly ass looking oinker right there

why is it gallows behind her, did they try to hang her

Is this implying that white men can learn from niggers and women? That’s not how knowledge works, sweetie. Just as heat always moves from warm to cold, knowledge always moves from white men to subhumans.

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Response to safestuffer (Reply #20)

Wed Feb 13, 2019, 09:54 PM

22. The thing is

I always get tired of, "Look! People on the internet are saying mean things to me! Behold my martyrdom!" Well, yeah. It's the internet. You've several billion assholes floating about. Of course you can pick out shitty things people say. And that's evidence of what, exactly?

Everyone who gets a little bit of online attention deals with that, right and left.

That said, it's probably obvious that the SJW left doesn't impress me as a liberal. Bunch of regressives justifying their own racism and misandry. They would happily be oppressors if they had the opportunity. Meh, hard pass.

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Response to Prismmonkey (Reply #22)

Wed Feb 13, 2019, 09:56 PM

23. Unfortunately, that kind of leaves you without a home.

The democratic party isn't going to swerve towards moderation any time soon. The radical base is in the process of taking the party over. Moderates will have nowhere to go.

As I've said for a long time, I didn't leave the democratic party, the democratic part swerved left so hard I fell off the wagon.

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Response to safestuffer (Reply #23)

Wed Feb 13, 2019, 10:00 PM

24. I'd rather stay and fight.

They're still a minority. Unfortunately, a loud one. And politicians and media figures are so terrified of social media, they buckle at the slightest provocation. Imagine if a candidate wrote that article. They'd be done within the Democratic Party. We're not that far gone yet.

But, as an older Millennial, I can say my generation is getting very tired and impatient with it. I live in the Bay Area, a liberal bastion, right near UC Berkeley, and people are stone cold sick of a lot of this shit.

This SJW infection is on campuses and online for the most part. For the most part. It's leaking out into the wider culture, but I've noticed it's getting more and more backlash over time.

Places like DU get away with their regressivism because it's an insulated echo chamber. Fortunately, the real world is not. Not yet.

I'd rather resist it from within for now.

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Response to Prismmonkey (Reply #24)

Wed Feb 13, 2019, 10:20 PM

25. Racism is just one facet of the regression of the left.

Attacks against the 2nd amendment,
Open anti-semitism,
Attacks on the 1st amendment,
Open attacks on science,

All mainstream democratic principles. Not tolerated...accepted...embraced in some cases.

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Response to safestuffer (Reply #25)

Wed Feb 13, 2019, 10:28 PM

26. I suppose I'll ask

Open attacks on science? I'll spot you the anti-vaxxers. The Bay Area is full of wacky Californians, and I'm familiar with their lovely ventures into disease, homeopathy, and all things gluten-free for no reason.

The 2nd Amendment doesn't bother me, because I think there should be more rigorous gun control. Not a ban, but definitely a tighter screening process for who owns a firearm.

I agree about the First Amendment and the anti-semitism. But, the Right has it's anti-semitism, too. One of those horseshoe bigotries where both extremes can throw a party and hate Jews together.

Who says there's no unity?

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Response to Prismmonkey (Reply #26)

Wed Feb 13, 2019, 10:54 PM

27. Ok

Open attacks on science, yes.
Telling me a person who has a penis is a woman, and that I'm supposed to be attracted to him as a straight male, because they identify as a woman and therefore for all intents and purposes are a woman, is a denial of science.
Telling me that there is NO biological difference between a man and a woman is a denial of science.
Telling me that a man who simply declares himself to be a woman should be allowed to compete against biological women in sports competitions is a denial of science.
Telling me that a baby minutes away from being born is not a human being is a denial of science.
Telling me that I have should NOT question any democrat-held position on climate control because such talk is "denialism" is a denial of science.
Stating that "the science is settled" concerning climate change is a denial of science.

The attacks on the second amendment doesn't bother you....well, it bothers me, and I reject 99.9% of any newly proposed anti gun legislature, as provably ineffective at preventing crime. The continuous pursuit of anti gun regulations that will provably NOT actually address crime or criminality is a non-starter for me. The continuous misrepresenting of facts, the demonizing of gun owners and the NRA, the pursuit and obsessions with objects and not with the people misusing them, and the proposal of burdensome regulations that do nothing but hinder access to firearms and firearm accessories by law abiding citizens is a non-starter for me. Being tough on lawful gun owners and easy on convicted criminals doesn't work for me. The left refuses to discuss the root cause, mental health and cultural issues, indeed exacerbates the problem with their refusal to prosecute, convict, and imprison the biggest contributors to the problem....and passes the buck onto lawful gun owners. "Assault rifle" bans when "assault rifles" kill less people in this country than fists or hammers, swimming pools, cars driven by drunks, etc....Magazine limits that criminals do not obey, and do nothing statistically to crime levels, etc.
All useless at reducing crime, all implemented as a systematic approach to an end that is obviously not crime prevention.

The right does not have the same problem with anti-semitism that the left does. There are no vocal conservative anti-semites holding significant office, for instance. The GOP has a strong history of supporting Israel as an ally, whereupon the democrats most assuredly do not. You say " both extremes can throw a party and hate Jews together. "...I say, show me a conservative anti-semite and I'll show you a loser in his basement posting nonsense all day, ostracized by virtually every other conservative in the country. Show me a liberal anti-semite and I'll show you an elected member of the democrat congress, praised and lauded by their base for their "bravery".


The democrats have problems. Big ones. Intersectionality and identity politics are both core to the new democratic party and both are fundamentally racist and anti-individualistic to the core. Those problems are only going to get worse. You see it now, as they have started eating their own.

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Response to Prismmonkey (Reply #19)

Wed Feb 13, 2019, 09:53 PM

21. And here is the authors response to the backlash

"Fisher told Yahoo Lifestyle that her article raised issues that affect students of color. “As to the hate sent my way, it is no match for the support I have received,” she said. “, I will share the widely accepted definition used across academic departments and activist space. Racism is composed of racial prejudice interpersonally and institutional bias against racial minorities. I do not hate white people, and no institution has ever built a system around disenfranchising or marginalizing white men, so I am not a racist.”

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/not-racist-college-student-wrote-op-ed-titled-white-boys-allowed-talk-speaks-221855881.html

Of course she'd justify her racism with that debunked swill.

What a dolt.

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