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Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:41 PM

John Wayne movies

I just got done watching "The Searchers," a movie from 1956 starring John Wayne.

Having grown up without television--not that I would've missed it anyway--and movies never having been any big part of this life, I'd been aware of John Wayne only through newspapers, magazines, and history books--which of course provided more than enough evidence of his greatness.

The past several days, I've also watched "Chisum," another movie starring John Wayne from 1970, "The Cowboys," from 1972, "The Shootist" from 1976, and "True Grit" from 1969.

Without exception, John Wayne was awesome in all of them.

However, I see "The Searchers" has been rated by the professional critics, domestic and foreign, as the best western movie of all time, and counted among the top movies (of any sort) in history.

Which leaves me confused; yeah, sure, "The Searchers" was really good, but personally, I'd rate "True Grit" as the best movie starring John Wayne, with "The Shootist" not far behind.

It's not unusual that my tastes generally go against those of professional critics, though. Last year I purchased Orson Welles' "Citizen Kane," based upon its reputation as being the greatest American movie of all time.

It wasn't. It sucked. It was a waste of money buying it and a waste of time watching it. I suspect it's judged "great" only because of the main subject in it, not because it's a good movie.

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Response to imwithfred (Original post)

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 08:09 PM

1. John Ford

Took 10 square miles of the Arizona/Utah border and convinced the world it was what the whole West looked like.

Monument Valley. It's quite an amazing place.



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Response to imwithfred (Original post)

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 09:11 PM

2. the searchers was a very disturbing movie

I think the critical acclaim results from the superb photography of the spectacular locations. the point of searching for many years over hundreds of miles of dusty western wilderness was to shoot natalie wood for being raped by a comanche? i'm sorry, frank, but I am much too modern for that to even make sense.

"true grit" was my favorite wayne movie. I usually hate remakes but compare with the 2010 remake with jeff bridges as cogburn and matt damon in the glen campbell role.

"the man who shot liberty valence" is another classic, with james stewart and lee marvin as the villain

"mcclintock" is a very fun movie that is worth watching

"big jake" is another good one.

so, yes, I am a fan of john wayne westerns. the war propaganda not so much (he did have a part in "the longest day" since today is 6 june). "in harm's way" is another great wwii movie with an all star cast and lots of action.

the cast of all those westerns was the same so you get to knowing a lot of supporting character actors if you watch a few of them.

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Response to rampartb (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 09:38 PM

3. You're missing the point

Yeah, Ethan Edwards and his "nephew" searched for many years over hundreds of miles of dusty western wilderness to bring natalie woods home after being raped by a comanche. But at the moment of truth, when he was in a position to kill her, he realized she was family and he loved her and it didn't matter what happened to her. "Let's go home, Debbie."

The point of the movie: bigots can change
The "searching" was for his humanity.



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Response to imwithfred (Original post)

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 10:25 PM

4. The list of great Westerns that John Wayne was in is quite large.

Rio Bravo

Red River

Fort Comanche

She Wore a Yellow Ribbon

3 Godfathers

Hondo

to name a few

Even the "lesser" films are worth watching.

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Response to cologeek (Reply #4)

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 11:13 PM

6. Gotta add the original 1939 Stagecoach to that list too, another John Ford classic..

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Response to DP46 (Reply #6)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 07:16 AM

8. You're right, how could I have forgotten!

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Response to cologeek (Reply #8)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 02:07 PM

11. How many noses have been broken imitating that Winchester "spin cock"?

That is a terminally cool move.

I found out that they cut down the barrel of that Winchester from 20 to to 15 inches, so Wayne could spin cock it.

Yakima Canutt, the famous Cowboy Stuntman, taught Wayne how to do it. He learned it from some rodeo cowboys when he was on the circuit.

Canutt did the "Leapfrogging on the horses from the stage" stunt in Stagecoach too.

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Response to DP46 (Reply #11)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 03:34 PM

14. Winchester Trapper carbines originally had 14 inch bores as an option pre 1934 NFA act

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Response to cologeek (Reply #4)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 03:29 PM

13. Island in the Sky- Wayne is a cargo pilot who has to keep his crew alive in the canadian wilderness

when forced down by Ice

1953

Lloyd Nolan
Alfalfa Schweitzer
Andy Devine
James Arness

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Response to imwithfred (Original post)

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 10:43 PM

5. Never really

cared much for John Wayne. He always seemed so over-the-top Alpha Male to me.

I did, however, like McClintock. Like someone else said, a fun movie.

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Response to imwithfred (Original post)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 06:49 AM

7. Never much of a JW fan.

I found his acting too stiff. Now, Randolph Scott, Joel McCrea, Robert Taylor, those were outstanding actors in Western genre.

My all time favorite Western, "Westward the Women". Today it would be virulently un-PC and were it wider known would be on the poutrage list.

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Response to imwithfred (Original post)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 10:26 AM

9. Here's one of my favorites

Not a western, 'In Harm's Way".

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Response to imwithfred (Original post)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 10:57 AM

10. You guys

ever make it out to Newport Beach Ca. I'll take you to the Duke's grave site.

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Response to imwithfred (Original post)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 01:52 PM

12. It is really sad.

Compare yesterday's male action stars, like John Wayne, Burt Lancaster, Kirk Douglas, to name a few, to what passes for MEN in today's films. Chris Pine, Liam Hemsworth, etc.
Girly-men, every one of them.
So "sensitive", so "caring".

So gay.

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