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Sat Jul 13, 2019, 10:07 PM

Convince me on why illegals should come to this country and receive free health care, free college..

...all while America citizens, who've been here for generations, do not receive those things for free AND get to foot the bill???

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Reply Convince me on why illegals should come to this country and receive free health care, free college.. (Original post)
quad489 Jul 2019 OP
Squeek Jul 2019 #1
Nostrings Jul 2019 #2
Squeek Jul 2019 #3
Nostrings Jul 2019 #4
Squeek Jul 2019 #7
Nostrings Jul 2019 #9
Squeek Jul 2019 #10
Nostrings Jul 2019 #11
quad489 Jul 2019 #6
Squeek Jul 2019 #8
Lira Jul 2019 #14
myohmy Jul 2019 #5
Nostrings Jul 2019 #12
quad489 Jul 2019 #15
Lowrider1984 Jul 2019 #13
Grumpy Pickle Jul 2019 #16
Bubba Jul 2019 #17

Response to quad489 (Original post)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 10:32 PM

1. Seriously dude?

Why would/should anyone bother?

You do not want to be convinced.

Not even one of the best reasons in the world...that we are the richest, most powerful country on the planet and those people are HUMAN BEINGS would be a good enough reason.

Stop trying to act like you care.


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Response to Squeek (Reply #1)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 11:14 PM

2. Whats this "We"?

Last edited Sat Jul 13, 2019, 11:52 PM - Edit history (1)

"Not even one of the best reasons in the world...that we are the richest, most powerful country on the planet and those people are HUMAN BEINGS would be a good enough reason."

"We"? Wealth that belongs to others is just there for the spending on people who shouldn't be here in the first place, is it?



You on the left like to talk about out "best interests" often, usually when you're trying to dictate them to us.

Giving free shit to anyone that can run whatever limited gauntlet we can manage to put up in spite of dem interference and cross our border illegally is a recipe to be over run, probably geographically, and most certainly politically.

Allowing either of those to happen is NOT in our best interests in a perfect America without any problems, let alone in THIS America where American citizens, who've been here for generations, do not receive those things for free AND would get stuck paying for it.

Compassion and humanity are not a suicide pact, political or otherwise.

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Response to Nostrings (Reply #2)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 11:30 PM

3. WE

can spend millions of dollars on stupid displays of faux "patriotism" on the 4th of July just so a fat orange manchild can have his idiotic party

WE can give tax cuts to the rich


In any case, the reply I received was no big surprise.

There is NO answer to the OP's question that will be good enough, so why should anyone bother?




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Response to Squeek (Reply #3)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 11:52 PM

4. That was OUR money, spent on US.

"WE can spend millions of dollars on stupid displays of faux "patriotism" on the 4th of July just so a fat orange manchild can have his idiotic party"

That was OUR money, spent on US, for a non-partisan historical celebration and parade, celebrating our nations independence among other things.

Its sad that you can't see beyond your hatred far enough to entertain the possibility that President Trump actually DOES love his country, unlike your dems who want to disarm us all and sell us out.


"WE can give tax cuts to the rich"

*gasp* people being allowed to keep more of THEIR money?

The *horror*.


"In any case, the reply I received was no big surprise."

I imagine that is the case, holding collectivist views paints everyone else like that.


"There is NO answer to the OP's question that will be good enough, so why should anyone bother?"

Because the collectivist answer holds no water here, why should you bother...Thats quite an admission...whether you intended it or not.


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Response to Nostrings (Reply #4)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 11:33 AM

7. Bullshit..

"That was OUR money, spent on US.

"WE can spend millions of dollars on stupid displays of faux "patriotism" on the 4th of July just so a fat orange manchild can have his idiotic party"

That was OUR money, spent on US, for a non-partisan historical celebration and parade, celebrating our nations independence among other things.

Its sad that you can't see beyond your hatred far enough to entertain the possibility that President Trump actually DOES love his country, unlike your dems who want to disarm us all and sell us out. "


Non partisan my ass.

And who is this "Our" whose money was spent on it?

Not everyone agreed with it. Even some bona fide military personnel were opposed to it. TBH, a whole lot of that "Our money" could have been better spent on housing for homeless veterans. But hey...fuck them, right? They go off, willing to make the ultimate sacrifice, and what do they get in return? A fucking parade. Whoop dee doo

And tRump doesn't give a rat's ass about this country. He only cares about himself.


Last...let's not talk about hate here. Many righties/tRump groupies hate Obama and HILLLLAARRRRYYYY so much they can't let go even after nearly three years.

but all of this isn't the point of this thread. People are supposed to be trying to convince the OP and other righties to care about human beings. It will never happen so I can't see anyone wanting to bother.

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Response to Squeek (Reply #7)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 11:59 AM

9. Nope, not bullshit. Factual truth.

"Non partisan my ass."

I sat and watched it with my own eyes. It was non-partisan, unless you consider independence day a republican holiday or consider it partisan simply because President Trump was there...in which case, the partisan here is you.

Any which way, you're whats commonly known as WRONG. It was non-partisan.


"And who is this "Our" whose money was spent on it?"

The country and the celebration.

"Not everyone agreed with it."

So what? I wasn't aware everyone had to agree for the President to throw an independence day party for the country.


"Even some bona fide military personnel were opposed to it."

See above.



"TBH, a whole lot of that "Our money" could have been better spent on housing for homeless veterans.

And? Thats a can of worms you don't want to open with me, chuckles, because most social program spending would be better spent on veterans who earned it.


"But hey...fuck them, right?"

Yeah, fuck them, right? Lets give free healthcare to illegal alien invaders instead.


"They go off, willing to make the ultimate sacrifice, and what do they get in return? A fucking parade. Whoop dee doo "


Thats it, slip the noose around your own neck.


"And tRump doesn't give a rat's ass about this country. He only cares about himself."

In your very biased opinion.



"Last...let's not talk about hate here."

Why not? Feeling a bit hot under the collar?


"Many righties/tRump groupies hate Obama and HILLLLAARRRRYYYY so much they can't let go even after nearly three years."

BUT RIGHTY!!!!!


"People are supposed to be trying to convince the OP and other righties to care about human beings. It will never happen so I can't see anyone wanting to bother."


If you want people to care, then make some damn room for it.

So long as republican/conservative political suicide remains part of the dem immigration equation, there simply is none.

Put simply, until the threat of using immigration as a means of diluting, marginalizing, and supplanting republican/conservative voices and more importantly votes is eliminated or somehow over, caring about the people you and yours intend to use and pit against us is a luxury we can not afford.


I can't imagine why you need this explained, its the obvious logical non-violent counter to you and yours using them against us.

Would you rather we just threw our hands in the air and got violent about it instead?

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Response to Nostrings (Reply #9)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 12:36 PM

10. Nor you with me

""TBH, a whole lot of that "Our money" could have been better spent on housing for homeless veterans.

And? Thats a can of worms you don't want to open with me, chuckles, because most social program spending would be better spent on veterans who earned it."


"Veterans who earned it"

Anyone who spends time in service to our country has "earned" the right to be cared for once they're out of the military.


So. You go through a whole post picking and choosing things to reply to that you think will make me look biased.

Hate to tell you this, but just because you personally had no problem with that childish display of "my dick is bigger than yours is" 4th of July foolishness, that doesn't mean you're not biased as well.


You are operating from a place where literally anything that fat orange fuck in the WH does is just peachy. A-OK, He's such a great guy. etc.


There is literally nothing that man can do to make his fan club puke a little bit in their mouths.


But as much as you would like to divert attention from the original question, it won't work.


There is nothing anyone can say to convince most tRumpies that people who come here, even undocumented, are HUMAN BEINGS



PS....and I see that you did not bother to address the reasoning spelled out in post #5. Very good reasons, IMO.

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Response to Squeek (Reply #10)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 01:06 PM

11. LOL.

"Anyone who spends time in service to our country has "earned" the right to be cared for once they're out of the military."

No shit sherlock. Maybe you could convince your dems and your leftist buddies to care for them instead of doling it out for hordes of illegal invaders.



"So. You go through a whole post picking and choosing things to reply to that you think will make me look biased."

I don't have to *do* anything to make you look biased. You have that covered all on your own.


"Hate to tell you this, but just because you personally had no problem with that childish display of "my dick is bigger than yours is" 4th of July foolishness, that doesn't mean you're not biased as well."

*I* never claimed I had no bias, however my bias isn't in question here, the word partisan is, and it isn't as subjective a word as you attempt to make it. You may not have liked the militaristic aspects of the celebration, but their presence does not make it a partisan celebration. The content of his speech was 100 percent non-partisan. No comments about politics at all.

That leaves me with video evidence showing the complete absence of partisan content of the event and the speech, and leaves you with your dick in your hand showing how partisan you are, without any cherry picking by me what so ever.


"You are operating from a place where literally anything that fat orange fuck in the WH does is just peachy. A-OK, He's such a great guy. etc."

Nope. I've criticised him before, and don't agree with him on everything. The reverse, however, is becoming quite clear now:

You are operating from a place where literally anything that fat orange fuck in the WH does is bad terrible no good, He's literally hitler. etc.

Your words show it, and your hatred bleeds through in everything you write about the man.

I bet I'm not the only one thats taken specific notice of it with you, either.


"There is literally nothing that man can do to make his fan club puke a little bit in their mouths."

More projection, this time super obvious. There is literally nothing he can do which you will praise him for.


"But as much as you would like to divert attention from the original question, it won't work. "

I'm not the one trying to divert.


"There is nothing anyone can say to convince most tRumpies that people who come here, even undocumented, are HUMAN BEINGS"

You apparently have a reading problem. No one said they weren't human beings in any serious discussion. What *I* said, was that human beings or not, we will not commit political suicide by caving to the wishes of you and yours where they are concerned...no matter how many of your antifa clowns attack detention centers and end up taking dirtnaps.


"PS....and I see that you did not bother to address the reasoning spelled out in post #5. Very good reasons, IMO."

They're shit reasons, I'll take that apart in a moment.

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Response to Squeek (Reply #1)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 07:44 AM

6. ''You do not want to be convinced''...wowzer!

1. Seriously dude?

Squeek - Sat Jul 13, 2019, 10:32 PM

Why would/should anyone bother?

You do not want to be convinced.

Not even one of the best reasons in the world...that we are the richest, most powerful country on the planet and those people are HUMAN BEINGS would be a good enough reason.

Stop trying to act like you care.

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Response to quad489 (Reply #6)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 11:49 AM

8. "Wowzer"????? So.....

are you going to tell us all that there is something....anything...that will convince you that human beings deserve to be treated better than animals?


I think reply #5 is a very good and rational one.

Go ahead and pick that one apart. You know you want to.




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Response to Squeek (Reply #1)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 01:42 PM

14. I care.

I care about my son who pays $1,600 a month for himself, wife and first child. This is without a maternity benefit so his son's birth cost $10K and his daughter, due in Nov will be another $10K plus an increase in premium.

I care about the millions of middle class Americans who don't get free health care while Democrats bribe immigrants with tax payer monies.

I care about the stupid notion that the rich should pay for all of this without anyone of you liberal/progressives considering how easy it is, in today's technological age, for those rich to run their companies from outside the US.

I care about the fact that my ancestors, beginning with the American Revolution, fought and died to make this country great with no notion that people would come here illegally and expect to be fed, housed, clothed and given health care. I care that almost none of these creeps have attempted to make their own nations great.

I care that you seem to have the idea that it is the responsibility of Americans to care for the poor around the globe. It can't be done if people aren't willing to care for themselves.

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Response to quad489 (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 12:50 AM

5. nobody says they should...

"...why illegals should come to this country and receive free health care, free college..."

...nobody says they SHOULD come to this country (even mighty MAGA trump can't keep 'em out)...but if they do make it here, do you want sick and dying people in public around you and your family spreading who knows what kind of diseases?

...do you want uneducated/unassimilated people around you and your family becoming hungry and desperate to eat and survive?...is it cheaper to eventually incarcerate illegal migrants?

...nobody WANTS illegal migrants in their country, but if you have them in your country, what are you going to humanely do with them that will keep you as safe as possible?

...until we can figure this migrant problem out, and we haven't even come close yet, the best and most humane thing to do is treat them like fellow human beings...

...remember, it was the cheap greedy capitalists that started this whole migrant thingy years ago wanting cheap slave labor to work their homes, yards, fields and industries...for decades we've had laws on the books that were being ignored as capitalists hired and worked illegal migrants for peanuts...

...put the blame where it belongs...

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Response to myohmy (Reply #5)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 01:19 PM

12. Perhaps not verbally, but in every other way they're screaming "COME TO AMERICA".

"...nobody says they SHOULD come to this country (even mighty MAGA trump can't keep 'em out)...but if they do make it here, do you want sick and dying people in public around you and your family spreading who knows what kind of diseases?"

Dems have created incentives for them to come here in the form of sanctuary cities.

Dem presidential candidates propose more incentives. Free healthcare. Decriminalizing crossing the border. Hints at amnesty "They're as American as you and me"

"nobody says they should come to this country" is disingenuous bullshit.


"...do you want uneducated/unassimilated people around you and your family becoming hungry and desperate to eat and survive?...is it cheaper to eventually incarcerate illegal migrants?"

I want them out of this country so that your party can not gain representation from their illegal presence, and can not amnesty them to gain a new voter demographic and game the system. I'd much prefer that to the civil unrest that will follow the alternative.


"...nobody WANTS illegal migrants in their country, but if you have them in your country, what are you going to humanely do with them that will keep you as safe as possible?"

A lie. How did you even type that with a strait face? OF COURSE DEMS WANT THEM HERE. Sanctuary cities and refusal to work with ICE to deport them, even the criminals who have already had their day in court, are proof that it is a lie.


"...until we can figure this migrant problem out, and we haven't even come close yet, the best and most humane thing to do is treat them like fellow human beings..."

What you mean, is that until the stars align and the decision can be made the way YOU want it to be made, we should let them run amok to get us to that point sooner.


"...put the blame where it belongs..."

Yep. On dems wo will not allow the border to be secured, We're a capitalist society and that isn't going to change. Border security on the other hand, that CAN change, if you and yours let it and stop pointing the finger at everyone else.


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Response to Nostrings (Reply #12)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 02:34 PM

15. Hear Hear

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Response to quad489 (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 01:21 PM

13. "SHUT UP, YOU FUCKING NAZI RACIST!!!"

they explained.

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Response to quad489 (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 10:34 PM

16. Ain't gonna happen.

Discrimination lawsuits will be filed all over the country.

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Response to quad489 (Original post)

Mon Jul 15, 2019, 03:04 AM

17. I've Read Every Post In This Thread.

And I gotta come down on NoString's side.

Squeek, sometimes your posts are thoughtful and well reasoned. Not this time. You're letting your hatred for our President morph into hatred for our country. If you can't see that allowing unlimited immigration and giving them free stuff will have a long term detrimental effect on my life, your life, and our families, then the problem is you.

More likely, you DO understand that simple fact. But you don't care. Giving the appearance of opposing and stopping Trump's agenda is more important than the lives of Americans and future generations.

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