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Sun Nov 16, 2014, 05:28 PM

Paris Lees: There's a new prudishness in Feminism and I hate it

http://www.vice.com/read/theres-a-new-prudery-in-feminism-and-i-hate-it

What could be more beautiful, simple, and pure than a genuine cri de joie? It can say so much: "I love you," "Thank you," "We're going to need to change these sheets later." It shouts out loud and proud that two people have managed to transcend the ugly drudgery of everyday life to glory in shared carnal delight. That's beautiful.

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If you're an adult and willing there's nothing wrong with being sexual. Or with seeing other people as sexual. So long as that's not the only thing you are expected or expect other people to be. But again, I think this is a red herring.


ruh roh!


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Reply Paris Lees: There's a new prudishness in Feminism and I hate it (Original post)
Baron Funchausen Nov 2014 OP
His Daughter Nov 2014 #1
Baron Funchausen Nov 2014 #4
High Elf Nov 2014 #8
Baron Funchausen Nov 2014 #10
His Daughter Nov 2014 #15
Baron Funchausen Nov 2014 #16
The Slim Shady Show Nov 2014 #17
Trainman95630 Nov 2014 #13
Hades Nov 2014 #19
Phlegm Monger Nov 2014 #2
Baron Funchausen Nov 2014 #3
Phlegm Monger Nov 2014 #5
Baron Funchausen Nov 2014 #7
Phlegm Monger Nov 2014 #9
Baron Funchausen Nov 2014 #11
Da Mannn Nov 2014 #6
MrSlayer666 Nov 2014 #12
His Daughter Nov 2014 #14
Hades Nov 2014 #20
Sheherazade Nov 2014 #18
oldenuff35 Nov 2014 #21
Baron Funchausen Dec 2014 #22

Response to Baron Funchausen (Original post)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 05:47 PM

1. It is part of the backlash in the younger crowd against traditional feminism and certainly RADFEM

is the perceived lack of sex and free choice. It is not without its merit. Freedom of choice includes the right to make choices your parents, or institutionalized feminism would reject. That is the problem with freedom, not everyone makes choices the leaders agree with. Those doing it are not just going thru a phase or gender traitors, they are making their own decisions that some disagree with.

Once my dad found out about something I was doing along those lines. I was in my low 20s at the time. His comment was not to tell mom because she would kill us both. Mom had helped hide abused women, escorted at women's clinics, and had mentored young women for years. She was all about women's equality etc, and saw somein the younger generations as giving back some of the early and hard won victories. I could see her point, but it was also my choice to make.

In the end I walked away from what I was doing...but that too was my choice.

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Response to His Daughter (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 06:32 PM

4. I just think consenting adults should be free to make their own decisions about their own bodies

lives, clothes, entertainment, reading material, and sexuality... as long, again, as everyone's a consenting adult.

And MAN OH MAN does that piss some people off!

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Response to Baron Funchausen (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 07:19 PM

8. Objectification is nothing more than junk science that many feminists are now rejecting

It was never anything more than a mental masturbation exercise promoted mostly by women who didn't get much attention as revenge against the women who were getting it and the men who were giving it to them. Sexuality is part and parcel to humanity. Anyone who is valued for their sexuality is not being dehumanized any more than someone who is valued for their intelligence.

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Response to High Elf (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 07:27 PM

10. I think there are two mutually exclusive worldviews

One: views sex and sexuality, including physical attraction and attractiveness, dare i say even "lust", as a generally pleasurable experience that makes the lives of consenting adults immeaurably richer and contributes positively to the human experience. While there are issues surrounding sex, and certainly criminal behaviors or outlying expressions of non-consensual violence, they are not the main focus of human sexuality.

The other views sex, particularly male hetero attraction towards women, as a dangerous minefield of inherent oppression and only thinly sublimated pure hate. This is how you get comparisons, for instance, between the SI cover and racist imagery- one has to be coming from a highly skewed ideological perspective, to imagine that a man finding a woman in a bikini physically, sexually attractive is at all akin to someone wanting to lynch someone else.

But that shit is taken as unchallengeable, gospel truth in some quarters. Dont even get me started on the gibberish pseudo-science around "objectification".

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Response to Baron Funchausen (Reply #10)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 09:42 PM

15. Posting that kind of heresey will get you HOFfed in a Beantown minute

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Response to His Daughter (Reply #15)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 09:50 PM

16. Ah, They decided I was Pubic Enemy #1 a loooooong time ago.

Their minds are already made up to stone me, so it's like



"making it worse? how could it be any worse- JEHOVAH JEHOVAH etc"

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Response to Baron Funchausen (Reply #16)

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 07:52 AM

17. Don't Believe the Hype.

First thing that came to my mind, which then made me think of Flavor Flav's show on VH1 and that weird deal he had with Brigitte Neilsen.

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Response to His Daughter (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 09:10 PM

13. Interesting post at DU the other day

 

in a thread about the comet dude with the shirt. Someone wrote that the party needs the votes of millenials and as a millenial he didn't know any millenials for who "Shirtgate" was even on their radar.

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Response to Trainman95630 (Reply #13)

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:06 AM

19. It is also interesting that they were going after him for his clothes...

...saying he deserved it for what he was wearing. Exactly the opposite of what they preach about women not deserving it for what they wear. Talk about a 180.

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Response to Baron Funchausen (Original post)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 06:01 PM

2. Probably not the "ruh roh" you think though.

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Response to Phlegm Monger (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 06:27 PM

3. Oh, okay.

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Response to Baron Funchausen (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 06:36 PM

5. Well, just Google her and you'll see why.

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Response to Phlegm Monger (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 07:14 PM

7. I will?


..."Transgender rights activist"? Well, that would piss off the TERFs, but so what?


Paris Lees
Paris Lees is a British journalist, presenter and transgender rights activist. She topped the Independent on Sunday's 2013 Pink List, and was awarded the Positive Role Model Award for LGBT in the 2012 National Diversity Awards. Wikipedia
Born: Hucknall, United Kingdom

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Response to Baron Funchausen (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 07:23 PM

9. yep.

The TERF inclined won't say anything you don't expect them to and nobody else is going to change their opinion of feminism.

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Response to Phlegm Monger (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 07:29 PM

11. Okay.

But this is the internet- don't you know by now that no one is going to change their minds about anything, anyway?

C'mon, ya just fall off the turnip truck?

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Response to Baron Funchausen (Original post)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 06:44 PM

6. Read the article, pretty good. the main point is here:

I want no part in any feminism that takes "We know what's best for you," as its starting point.

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Response to Baron Funchausen (Original post)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 08:47 PM

12. These are subjects that never come up in real life.

I mean absolutely never. I only see crap like this come up on the internet. I don't believe I've ever heard the word "radfem" verbalized.

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Response to MrSlayer666 (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 09:39 PM

14. Depends where you hang out IRL

It more a campus/academic thing vice a work thing

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Response to MrSlayer666 (Reply #12)

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:08 AM

20. There are many subjects, in how they are discussed online...

...that I have never seen them discussed in real life in the same ridiculous way.

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Response to Baron Funchausen (Original post)

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 09:20 AM

18. I disagree with the article

I am not a "radfem" at all. When a woman sexualizes herself, she becomes less believable in other matters; business, intellectually etc. It's all a matter of degree and taste and appropriate venue.

I have no issue with a woman trying to make herself as 'attractive' as possible, but when she goes as far as wearing tight revealing clothing in an office or other professional setting, she risks not being taken seriously.
To believe otherwise is purely BS IMHO.

I want my professional associates to think I'm competent and pleasant looking; I want my husband to think I'm sexy.
Putting risqué photos on line is stupid risky behavior that may bite a person in the end whether male or female.

It has to do with common sense, not feminism.

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Response to Baron Funchausen (Original post)

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 12:06 PM

21. Honestly I did not think the feminists

could pucker any tighter or get their nose any higher in the air but I'm proven wrong often here.

You have a right to view yourself anyway you want but I do not and will not listen to it. The fem fanatics accomplish nothing except hurt themselves and sound like idiots while they spin their wheels and accomplish nothing.

Hate and accomplishment do not usually exist in the same person. The hate halts forward progress and that stoppage is then blamed on what they hate. Of course none of it could be the person's fault.

It works pretty much that way in life across the board. If there is a problem with your advancement in life you better start by looking inside of yourself before you blame everyone else. This takes courage and honesty so I realize it is not for all.

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Response to Baron Funchausen (Original post)

Tue Dec 2, 2014, 05:19 PM

22. In response to "Shirtstorm", Italians post "Boobs for Science"

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