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Sun Jan 18, 2015, 11:06 PM

Apology From 'Hanoi Jane'

Fonda: ‘Hanoi Jane’ Moment Was A ‘Huge Mistake

Actress Jane Fonda issued an apology late Friday for her infamous visit to North Vietnam in 1972, a moment that earned her the dubious nickname “Hanoi Jane.”

Fonda called it a “huge mistake” during a speech given at an arts center in Frederick, Maryland, the Associated Press reports. She made her comments in response to protests against her appearance.

“But those people out there… I’m a lightning rod,” Fonda told the audience, according to The Frederick News-Post. “This famous person goes and does something that looks like I’m against the troops, which wasn’t true, but it looked that way, and I’m a convenient target. So I understand.”

However, Fonda still considered her trip to the communist state at war with the U.S. a “great experience.” While on the trip, she took publicity shots manning an anti-aircraft gun used to shoot down American planes and publicly criticized the war effort against North Vietnam.

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http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/18/fonda-hanoi-jane-moment-was-a-huge-mistake/

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Reply Apology From 'Hanoi Jane' (Original post)
Bronxbomber Jan 2015 OP
Andronikos Jan 2015 #1
Attila Gorilla Jan 2015 #2
ol geezer Jan 2015 #3
Attila Gorilla Jan 2015 #4
Tepid Jan 2015 #5
Greenbeanbob Jan 2015 #10
Tepid Jan 2015 #15
brew9876 Jan 2015 #23
Magyar Jan 2015 #11
Tepid Jan 2015 #16
Magyar Jan 2015 #20
eddiepina Jan 2015 #6
foia Jan 2015 #7
Floyd R. Turbo Jan 2015 #14
LuvPie Jan 2015 #8
762Justice Jan 2015 #9
Tepid Jan 2015 #17
762Justice Jan 2015 #18
Crazy D Jan 2015 #25
Smoke Jan 2015 #12
Hades Jan 2015 #13
i verglas Jan 2015 #19
meanitt Jan 2015 #21
i verglas Jan 2015 #22
i verglas Jan 2015 #24
i verglas Jan 2015 #26

Response to Bronxbomber (Original post)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 11:07 PM

1. She starred in Babarella.

 

Everything is forgiven.

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Response to Bronxbomber (Original post)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 11:21 PM

2. We never should have had more than advisors there.

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Response to Attila Gorilla (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 11:24 PM

3. Any place we have advisers, we then will need some boots on the ground to protect them, then more

and more boots. It happens way too often to be a coincidence.

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Response to ol geezer (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 11:29 PM

4. True.

Hopefully our next president doesn't feel the need to re-invade the Middle East. But I suppose that's too much to ask.

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Response to Bronxbomber (Original post)

Mon Jan 19, 2015, 12:11 AM

5. As a former Marine and a veteran, I have only one thing to say to her.

F%#$K you B$%@H

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Response to Tepid (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 19, 2015, 09:42 AM

10. Just a small correction.

I've always heard that Marines are forever, never former.
I am an Air Force Veteran NCO. I still hold my oath sacred.

I salute you Marine.

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Response to Greenbeanbob (Reply #10)

Mon Jan 19, 2015, 03:53 PM

15. I was pissed off. Yes Marines are forever, and always shall be so.

Semper Fi.

I can't say anything about the Air Force, except "don't drop short".

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Response to Tepid (Reply #15)

Mon Jan 19, 2015, 08:02 PM

23. It's not all about fighters in the "Air Force".

Ever hear about "CSAR"? We picked up many Marines in trouble. Hell we used to get our fuel from the Marines.

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Response to Tepid (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 19, 2015, 10:15 AM

11. Somehow that doesn't surprise me at all.

That's a really adult comment.

Feel better now?

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Response to Magyar (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 19, 2015, 03:54 PM

16. No. when the traitor dies I will celebrate. n/t

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Response to Tepid (Reply #16)

Mon Jan 19, 2015, 07:33 PM

20. She never was a traitor.

Are you the type of person who celebrates another human being's death?

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Response to Bronxbomber (Original post)

Mon Jan 19, 2015, 12:29 AM

6. Nope.

A mistake is something that occurs in the course of trying to do the right thing. She made a rotten decision and betrayed her people. Hardly a "mistake."

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Response to eddiepina (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 19, 2015, 01:12 AM

7. JF's fifteen minutes expired last century

Traitor pure and simple but no longer relevant by any stretch of the imagination.

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Response to foia (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 19, 2015, 01:57 PM

14. "fifteen minutes"!

A fifty year career, dozens of movies, and two academy awards!

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Response to Bronxbomber (Original post)

Mon Jan 19, 2015, 08:39 AM

8. Total Bull -

That's no apology. Not when you say something like this -

“This famous person goes and does something that looks like I’m against the troops, which wasn’t true, but it looked that way, and I’m a convenient target. So I understand.”

She's worried about her legacy. Too damn bad, it's already written in stone.

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Response to LuvPie (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 19, 2015, 09:04 AM

9. It is written in stone.

And as soon as that stone goes on the ground, it's going to be covered in piss.

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Response to 762Justice (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 19, 2015, 03:56 PM

17. I will stand in line, and supply free beer. n/t

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Response to Tepid (Reply #17)

Mon Jan 19, 2015, 06:46 PM

18. I'll be in line with you :)

And an extra time for my Uncle, who went to soon to get the honor.

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Response to 762Justice (Reply #18)

Mon Jan 19, 2015, 08:37 PM

25. I'll bring the pretzels

That way everyone will be thirsty and drink more beer, more to piss with

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Response to Bronxbomber (Original post)

Mon Jan 19, 2015, 11:10 AM

12. I suspect she has some new project in the works abnd is trying to avoid the negative publicity

Actions have consequences, some actions have permanent consequences

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Response to Bronxbomber (Original post)

Mon Jan 19, 2015, 11:19 AM

13. Not accepted. Not for what she did.

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Response to Bronxbomber (Original post)

Mon Jan 19, 2015, 07:00 PM

19. what, again?

 

I thought she took the coward's way out already years ago.

Go troops. (I think that's mandatory.)

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Response to i verglas (Reply #19)

Mon Jan 19, 2015, 07:37 PM

21. The same old Jane Fonda shit.

 

It really gets old after a while.

A bunch of men in their 60's seething over a trip made 43 years ago by an actress in her 20's with a romantic notion of being an anti-war protester. Where upon she was promptly played like a fiddle by the North Vietnamese and made an ass out of herself.

But apparently with some, that trip outweighs the whole war.

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Response to i verglas (Reply #19)

Mon Jan 19, 2015, 07:45 PM

22. yeah ........

 

http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp

In 1988, sixteen years after the fact, Fonda finally met with Vietnam veterans to apologize for her actions. ...

Fonda also apologized in 2005, ... . As she had several years earlier, though, Fonda specifically apologized for the act of posing for photographs while seated at a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun but not for her other activities in North Vietnam.

and apparently again in 2012:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/ben-shapiro/jane-fonda-finally-apologizes/


Maybe she has finally got it right enough for the bootlickers this time.

And yes, I get to express my opinion about militarism and the military and its sycophants, and I express my opinion about the militarization of my own society under the foul Harper every chance I get. As I did right here right this month.
http://www.discussionist.com/101668537#post25

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Response to Bronxbomber (Original post)

Mon Jan 19, 2015, 08:21 PM

24. yeah, she hated the troops so much ...

 

http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp

Jane Fonda was no exception: she brought mail for imprisoned U.S. servicemen with her to Hanoi, and she returned to the U.S. carrying 241 letters from American POWs back to their families. (Fonda even called the wives of some of the men she met with to provide them with updates about their husbands.) ...

Additionally, no POWs were tortured to coerce them into meeting with Jane Fonda or for refusing to do so. Fonda had only a single meeting with a small group of POWs, and there were plenty of volunteers for the occasion:
The seven men who met with were not coerced into the meeting; indeed, many more pilots wanted to meet with her than were able. "The entire camp that I was in when Jane Fonda visited wanted to see her," former POW Edison Miller said, although he didn't even know who Jane Fonda was. Miller only wanted to see her because he knew she was Henry Fonda's daughter.

The seven POWs and Fonda met around a large table surrounded by chairs. It was a typical meeting between international visitors and American airmen: low-key, filled with small talk, inquiries from the airmen about particular bits of news and sports from home, conversations about their families, requests to call them and pass on a message.

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Response to Bronxbomber (Original post)

Mon Jan 19, 2015, 08:50 PM

26. I'm just curious

 

What was that thing we were talking about here recently?

It had a catchy name.

Something about talking. And everybody having the right to say whatever they want, whenever they want, about anything they want.

Oh yeah.

Free speech.

Huh.

Nonetheless, the facts of the particular incident that have so many free-speech lovers so riled up are most probably as she has recounted them (this passage omits the fact that the North Vietnamese required that she wear a helmet at the sites she was taken to):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Fonda#Controversial_visit_to_Hanoi
It happened on my last day in Hanoi. I was exhausted and an emotional wreck after the 2-week visit ... The translator told me that the soldiers wanted to sing me a song. He translated as they sung. It was a song about the day 'Uncle Ho' declared their country's independence in Hanoi's Ba Dinh Square. I heard these words: "All men are created equal; they are given certain rights; among these are life, Liberty and Happiness." These are the words Ho pronounced at the historic ceremony. I began to cry and clap. These young men should not be our enemy. They celebrate the same words Americans do. The soldiers asked me to sing for them in return ... I memorized a song called "Day Ma Di", written by anti-war South Vietnamese students. I knew I was slaughtering it, but everyone seemed delighted that I was making the attempt. I finished. Everyone was laughing and clapping, including me ... Here is my best, honest recollection of what happened: someone (I don't remember who) led me towards the gun, and I sat down, still laughing, still applauding. It all had nothing to do with where I was sitting. I hardly even thought about where I was sitting. The cameras flashed ... It is possible that it was a set up, that the Vietnamese had it all planned. I will never know. But if they did I can't blame them. The buck stops here. If I was used, I allowed it to happen ... a two-minute lapse of sanity that will haunt me forever ... But the photo exists, delivering its message regardless of what I was doing or feeling. I carry this heavy in my heart. I have apologized numerous times for any pain I may have caused servicemen and their families because of this photograph. It was never my intention to cause harm.

I hold no brief for Fonda. I can't know what had happened in her life to make her subject herself to Roger Vadim, or lie to all the women who bought her exercise tapes when she was really puking herself into shape, but I don't respect any of that either.

But if she was acting on some principle when she visited North Vietnam, and if she was genuinely opposed to the US attack on the Vietnamese people, she should just say so, and leave the troops to fall where they may. They made their own choices and she's not responsible for their choices or the consequences of their choices. And nobody has any duty to approve of their choices or stifle their opinion about them.

If the troops were dupes of their government, and Fonda was a dupe of the North Vietnamese government, then they're even, and let everybody just stfu up about it.

If there are ex-troops who believe they were acting on principle, then deal with the fact that not everybody finds your principles admirable. I'm one of those.

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