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Mon Feb 9, 2015, 01:43 AM

The Christianity vs Muslim Death Thread

I think we need to put our cards on the table. Let's put it out there.

Who causes more bodies in our current time? Muslims or Christians?

Is An American Christian who doesn't want to bake a cake for a gay couple the same as a Muslim that wants to cut their heads off?

When Christians think "good, they deserved it", is that the same as ISIS burning people to death?

How many Jesus Akbars are there compared to Allah Akbars?

This thread has been needed for a while. Let's do it.

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Reply The Christianity vs Muslim Death Thread (Original post)
Hades Feb 2015 OP
JosephNobles Feb 2015 #1
Hades Feb 2015 #2
opspec2c Feb 2015 #3
Hades Feb 2015 #4
opspec2c Feb 2015 #5
Slow Slicing Feb 2015 #12
Hades Feb 2015 #13
Slow Slicing Feb 2015 #15
Hades Feb 2015 #18
Slow Slicing Feb 2015 #19
Hades Feb 2015 #21
Banshee 3 Actual Feb 2015 #34
Slow Slicing Feb 2015 #37
Banshee 3 Actual Feb 2015 #38
Slow Slicing Feb 2015 #40
Attila Gorilla Feb 2015 #29
Banshee 3 Actual Feb 2015 #35
TexMex Feb 2015 #39
smalllivingeddy Feb 2015 #41
Strange Luck Feb 2015 #6
Hades Feb 2015 #7
Strange Luck Feb 2015 #8
Hades Feb 2015 #9
Strange Luck Feb 2015 #10
Hades Feb 2015 #11
Strange Luck Feb 2015 #28
Slow Slicing Feb 2015 #14
Hades Feb 2015 #16
Slow Slicing Feb 2015 #17
Hades Feb 2015 #20
Slow Slicing Feb 2015 #22
Hades Feb 2015 #23
Slow Slicing Feb 2015 #24
Hades Feb 2015 #25
Slow Slicing Feb 2015 #26
Hades Feb 2015 #31
rampartb Feb 2015 #27
MedusasRage Feb 2015 #30
762Justice Feb 2015 #32
Hades Feb 2015 #33
kc_tim Feb 2015 #36

Response to Hades (Original post)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 01:55 AM

1. You're going to get your religious war one way or another.

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Response to JosephNobles (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 01:57 AM

2. I am an athiest.

There is no God. We are evolved monkeys. We live, we die.

But some of us kill more than others.

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Response to Hades (Original post)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 02:07 AM

3. George Bush is a Christian

And he mowed down 10,000,000 innocent Muslim men, women, and children with his Flaming Sword Of Christian Justice.

Or something like that.

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Response to opspec2c (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 02:09 AM

4. Does that count?

If I am a robber and I kill you, and I happen to be a member of the local Baptist church, does that mean I killed you in the name of God?

Whereas, Islamic terrorists make sure to yell Allah Akbar when they kill you.

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Response to Hades (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 02:11 AM

5. Yes, to many Christian-haters

it means exactly that.

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Response to Hades (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 03:07 AM

12. I believe GWB did say he became President because God wanted him to run.

He invoked the name of God often in his political speeches, so his Christian beliefs seemed to be intermingled with his politics. President Obama is similar in this regard.

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Response to Slow Slicing (Reply #12)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 03:12 AM

13. He did.

But did those in the military feel that?

Whereas, those in the Islamic terrorist organization seem to greatly feel they are doing it for religion by screaming "Allah Akbar".

Can you source any times our troops screamed "Jesus Akbar"?

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Response to Hades (Reply #13)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 03:17 AM

15. Blackwater was accused of similar activities.

THE most recent allegations against Blackwater, the American security company, are lurid. Tasked with providing security for American officials in Iraq and Afghanistan, the company is already under investigation for shooting deaths in Iraq. Now two former employees are accussing Erik Prince (pictured), Blackwater's boss, of wanting to start a religious crusade against Muslims. In an affidavit lodged with a court in Virginia, one of the witnesses said that Mr Prince "views himself as a Christian crusader tasked with eliminating Muslims and the Islamic faith from the globe." The statement continues

“To that end, Mr. Prince intentionally deployed to Iraq certain men who shared his vision of Christian supremacy, knowing and wanting these men to take every available opportunity to murder Iraqis. Many of these men used call signs based on the Knights of the Templar, the warriors who fought the Crusades.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2009/08/erik_prince_and_the_last_crusa



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Response to Slow Slicing (Reply #15)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 03:25 AM

18. I don't even need to read all that.

I get it. You made a point.

I misspoke.

If X people is stabbing everyone they can, then eventually you will be able to provide examples of Y stabbing people as well, there by making a claim that Y does it as well even though it is obvious X is doing it every damned day of the week.

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Response to Hades (Reply #18)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 03:28 AM

19. I'm not in the military, so I don't know how many feel they are doing God's work.

Seeing a study on that would help this thread.

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Response to Slow Slicing (Reply #15)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 02:46 PM

34. Blackwater as you well know is not part of the US Military

But you didnt stop you trying to tie them together dishonestly

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #34)

Tue Feb 10, 2015, 12:22 AM

37. I tied Blackwater to Christianity and religiously motivated violence.

Whether or not they are part of the military is irrelevant to this thread.

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Response to Slow Slicing (Reply #37)

Tue Feb 10, 2015, 11:38 AM

38. It was relevant to the post you responded to (dishonestly I might add)

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #38)

Tue Feb 10, 2015, 12:09 PM

40. I never said anything of the sort, but you cannot argue against my post,

so you need to cling to your misrepresentation in order to be "right."

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Response to opspec2c (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 06:19 AM

29. Other than the number you're right.

It's the Judeo-Christian mindset. We're so used to plundering the Third World we're not even aware we're doing it.

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Response to Attila Gorilla (Reply #29)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 02:48 PM

35. Muslims have never plundered, eh?

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Response to opspec2c (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 10, 2015, 11:58 AM

39. Christian Justice? Pfttt

 

Naw, it was Daddy never loved little Georgie enough... 10,000,000 dead muslinm might earn poor Georgie some of Daddy's long over due love.

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Response to opspec2c (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 10, 2015, 02:44 PM

41. I wouldn't go so far as to say that all of them were innocent (many weren't)

or that the number was 10,000,000 (might be a bit high, but it is impossible to get a good count--I guess 10,000,000 is a reasonable upper limit)

or that they were all Muslims (some weren't--some were even Christians)

or that George W. Bush is or was, for any purpose other than political posturing, Christian--actually, I tend to doubt it

aside from those qualifications your post make a good point.

(except that you meant to be satiric)

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Response to Hades (Original post)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 02:15 AM

6. So you simply see it as a competition. Ok.

I can be against fundies of both stripes. You don't see the US bombing Christians do you? Tell me how many 'christian' countries in the last 40 years we have attacked.

What is you desire? Oh...let me guess. For someone on the left to tell you "Hey, you know those islamic fundies? I think what they are doing is wrong!" because for some reason you seem to need that.

But let's be a little more intelligent than that. What the right is really wanting to hear is confirmation of their personal beliefs that islam (because they don't believe in it) is evil and Christianity is good. Why - There has never in all the world been a religion like islam that has done bad things - so why won't those lefties just condemn it and tell me what I want to hear (that all muslims are bad and we should be at war with them using your tax dollars and that christians are pure as snow and our bible is nothing like their book - it just preaches love!).

Me? I can accept that both are bad and don't want either to rule. Oh..but wait, you want to know which is doing worse things right now. Fair enough. US/UK are mostly Christian. As our our NATO allies. What measuring stick do you want to use? US in the 90's blocking aid to people in Iraq and them dying by the thousands? Or does death only count when there is a video you can be emotionally manipulated with?

Set the measurements and maybe we can gauge who has killed more.

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Response to Strange Luck (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 02:27 AM

7. Well first things first...

...just because a nation goes to war, doesn't mean they are doing it because of their faith. Just like just because a black person kills a white, doesn't mean it was because of so called "reverse racism".

I hear a lot of Allah Akbars, not so many Jesus Akbars.

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Response to Hades (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 02:30 AM

8. So do you hear them from those doing certain things?

Or from 1.5 billion people?

If someone here in the US kills someone and says 'praise jesus' when they do it, are you inclined to fault the bible and christians, or the person who did the act?

What about priests who abuse kids? You can blame the catholic church for covering it, but do you hold all catholics in the world guilty for that? They tithed, they supported the church with money, they love the pope.

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Response to Strange Luck (Reply #8)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 02:33 AM

9. I do blame the higher ups in the Catholic faith.

They for damn sure covered it up.

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Response to Hades (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 02:38 AM

10. And I blame people in ISIS for what they do

I don't blame people who have the same religion though until they actually do something negative. And the whole 'crusades' issue was just an attempt to communicate that simple idea. Blame the people who do something, not the ones who didn't. But cons just can't get that concept.

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Response to Strange Luck (Reply #10)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 02:48 AM

11. Let's just boil it all down.

Who, in the modern age, delivers the most bodies in the name of their sky fairy?

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Response to Hades (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 05:58 AM

28. Ok, I'll play:

And by 'in the name of' do you mean by invoking their name before each action or that they faith had something to do with their actions?

Because if you look at recent (last few years) actions by folks most under discussion (isis/isil) they claim mostly to be doing what they are doing for revenge. It isn't about god. It is about retribution.

Japan hostage? Wanted money. Another one they wanted prisoner exchange. So it is about using people in their war, and their war is about hatred of the west and countries that have aided them.

People see it as religion but maybe they should change a little of their viewing habits.

Slide back to the Iraq war in 2003. Viewing us you see people waving flags, carrying bibles, wearing crosses, praying for our troops. You see art work of kneeling soldiers with angels beside them. You have a christian president who says things like god bless us all, prayer breakfasts, congressmen speaking about the bible/antichrist/middle east and israel, etc and so on.

When you look at it like that, from how they might be seeing it, to them we are the religious wackos invading them. Yet if I asked you I am guessing you would say "It had nothing to do with religion" - and I would mostly agree, but religion was a big part of it.

Religion and soldiers is nothing new - nor is having religion being part of your battles/goals. And if that is all people show you about someone that is all you might think is at work. Imagine being in Iraq and all your media shows is dead bodies from attacks and things like this: (so maybe they aren't using religion as much as we are blaming it)







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Response to Hades (Original post)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 03:14 AM

14. Can't we just agree that both faiths are extremely embarrassing?

Judaism too. The Abrahamic faiths are anachronistic, and that is why so many of the members of those faiths don't follow their holy books anymore. America is a Satanic nation. God has no place in our lives. Biblical teachings don't apply to us.

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Response to Slow Slicing (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 03:18 AM

16. Satanic nation?

That doesn't even make sense.

A big bang happened. Billions of years later we formed. Then millions of years later we became self aware. Because we became self aware, we became afraid of death. We made up religion and a sky fairy for being afraid of death.

What more is there to add?

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Response to Hades (Reply #16)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 03:24 AM

17. I mean it in the Church of Satan sense of the word.

Our "collective philosophy" is Satanic in nature. For example, The Bible says Christ says we should love our enemies, but we don't respect that teaching. We respect the reversal of that teaching, which would be Satanic or antichrist, by definition. I'm talking about human perception and human values in the US.

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Response to Slow Slicing (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 03:29 AM

20. There is no satanic.

When you die, you aren't going to a Heaven or a Hell or a Purgatory or sticking around to say "boo". The sum of your existence is your experiences, which are locked inside your brain. When your brain shuts down, you're dead.

The end.

No reincarnation either.

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Response to Hades (Reply #20)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 03:39 AM

22. I said the Church of Satan's sense of the word, but you're using the Christian sense of the word.

The Church of Satan's sense of the word is a reversal of Biblical teachings. The Bible teaches there is a literal God and Satan, so the reversal would be no literal God or Satan. Your post reflects Satanic thought, but you use a different label. Maybe atheist or nihilist or whatever.

I am not a Satanist, but I do like many of their critiques of modern Western thought.

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Response to Slow Slicing (Reply #22)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 03:45 AM

23. There is no Satan.

There is no hell.

You live, you die. Just like a dog.

That is it. We are advanced animals.

Church is a made up thing people did when they became self aware; afraid of death.

Dogs aren't afraid of death.

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Response to Hades (Reply #23)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 03:48 AM

24. Just to be clear, you do know we are both saying the same thing, right?

On this subject, you agree 100% with the Church of Satan. That is what you are saying.

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Response to Slow Slicing (Reply #24)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 03:52 AM

25. I guess we do...

...but why do you call yourself the "church of Satan"?

That implies believing in a sky fairy and having some sort of imagined war with him or her.

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Response to Hades (Reply #25)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 04:01 AM

26. I am not a Satanist. I am not affiliated with them in anyway.

They call themselves Satanists because their beliefs are a reversal of Biblical beliefs, they like to be dramatic, and I strongly suspect branding/advertising related reasons.
That implies believing in a sky fairy and having some sort of imagined war with him or her.
There is a different group of Satanists that believe this, but they may use a different name (Luciferianism?). Confusion ensues for anyone who doesn't follow these subcultures.

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Response to Slow Slicing (Reply #26)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 10:02 AM

31. Well I think they should change their name.

They could change it to "Church of Rob Zombie".

That way they could believe scientifically sound evidence and listen to badass music.

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Response to Hades (Original post)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 04:57 AM

27. the iraq war was predicted in the bible and sold to european leaders as the "war of gog and magog."

chirac called for a special briefing by biblical scholars before refusing to "stand with israel" against the mythical monsters. france has been a favorite target of "conservative" ridicule ever since.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2009/aug/10/religion-george-bush

so, yes, all iraqi war deaths (including those committed by isis and the various sectarian militias on the principle of "felony murder") are committed in the name of jesus.

not all christians,of course, but certainly the evangelical death cult so powerful in the usa.

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Response to rampartb (Reply #27)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 09:23 AM

30. Good points.

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Response to Hades (Original post)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 02:31 PM

32. ...

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Response to 762Justice (Reply #32)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 02:39 PM

33. And we now have a thread winning picture against Islam.

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Response to Hades (Original post)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 05:29 PM

36. Good thread

As an organized movement, Muslims abuse, torture and kill more people in our current time than Christians do.

No, a slight inconvenience is not the same thing as beheading.

No, a Christian thinking people who intentionally burn people to death, deserve to die, is not the same things as burning people to death for not sharing your religion.

None.

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