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Fri Feb 20, 2015, 04:11 PM

Is islamic terror in fact...islamic?

Mohamed wrote the terrorist handbook (its the quran) and jihad style terror is nothing new. Everything Boko Haram and ISIS is doing was done before by Mohamed's own holy warriors (and recorded in the quran).

Mohamed the prophet didn't hit the big time right away. After he received his revelations from this allah guy, mohamed supported himself by attacking caravans, killing the innocent merchants and selling the goods.
Blood, murder, and rape defined the life of islam's holy prophet. Mohamed was a monster.

Is it any wonder that those who follow in his footsteps commit the same crimes of their own prophet?

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Reply Is islamic terror in fact...islamic? (Original post)
Da Mannn Feb 2015 OP
Letmypeoplevote Feb 2015 #1
john262 Feb 2015 #3
tyrionthegreat Feb 2015 #4
JaimeBondo Feb 2015 #5
fncceo Feb 2015 #2
Letmypeoplevote Feb 2015 #6
Frederick55 Feb 2015 #12
msv Feb 2015 #13
Letmypeoplevote Feb 2015 #7
Da Mannn Feb 2015 #8
Letmypeoplevote Feb 2015 #10
john262 Feb 2015 #15
Letmypeoplevote Feb 2015 #18
john262 Feb 2015 #19
Letmypeoplevote Feb 2015 #20
john262 Feb 2015 #21
Apollo1 Feb 2015 #9
Paradigm Feb 2015 #11
john262 Feb 2015 #16
saspamco Feb 2015 #17
Slow Slicing Feb 2015 #14

Response to Da Mannn (Original post)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 04:18 PM

1. The Atlantic’s big Islam lie: What Muslims really believe about ISIS

The claim that ISIS is islamic is sad http://www.salon.com/2015/02/19/the_atlantics_big_islam_lie_what_muslims_really_believe_about_isis/

There’s almost no comparison between Islam and the West. For one thing, Islam is a religion. The West obviously is not. But even the countries of the world that are Muslim-majority don’t compare to the West. For all this fearful talk of a global Muslim Caliphate, it’s the West that has made real progress in creating transnational institutions.

There’s no Muslim counterpart to the European Union, the Schengen Treaty, NATO, the G-20—a Western initiative—or the many bilateral and multilateral agreements and processes that make the West what it is. Nor is this exclusively a mark of the Muslim world: You think China, Brazil or India enjoys the alliances we do? The kinds of integration that make our societies so prosperous and powerful?

The world’s Muslim-majority societies are remarkably diverse—much more so than the West, I’d argue. Which is all fine, in theory, until you get to the practice. These very different peoples are going through our equivalent of the dark ages, the consequence of centuries of colonialism, occupation, authoritarianism and extremism.

As Muslim societies struggle to find their way forward, everything is up for grabs. What kind of government should they have? What role should religion play? How should power be divided? Very little is agreed on. One of them is this: Among an incredibly diverse, astonishingly fractured and contentious community, ISIS is anathema.

Many people still ask questions like, “Why don’t Muslims protest ISIS?” Of course, every Muslim institution and organization outside of the region has. As for the Muslims who are closer? Well, put it another way. People in unsafe neighborhoods don’t denounce the gangs who make their lives miserable, at least not if they want to stay alive. They turn to the police–maybe. Unless they don’t trust those police.

When you’re fractured and fragmented, it’s hard to root out a movement like ISIS, and even harder to rally together when the people on the other side are just as brutal. If not more so. Syrian President Bashar Assad and his Iranian backers have killed more people than the Islamic State has. It’s not an easy time to be Muslim, that’s for sure.
The premise of the OP is really sad and silly. Hopefully some facts will educate the people as to why the premise of the OP is wrong.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 04:45 PM

3. You are just giving more apologies and excuses for Islamic terrorists. Why is it that so many

libs including Obama want to defend those animals? Islam is a violent religion that belongs in the gutter. And objective reading of the Koran will tell you that. It is not a religion of peace. George Bush was wrong when he said that and Obama is wrong now.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 04:52 PM

4. The question "Is ISIS Islamic?" is seriously the dumbest question ever asked.

You know how in school they used to say there is no such thing as a dumb question??? Well they never heard this one!!!!

OF COURSE THEY ARE MUSLIMS!!! OF COURSE THE ORGANIZATION IS ISLAMIC !!!

And yes before you go off and make the KKK comparison I will answer if it for you.. YES THE KKK WERE CHRISTIAN.

Other Christians may have disagreed with the KKK to one extent or another, but by and large the KKK were made up of Christians whose actions were (in their belief) justified by the Bible. Just because you can give 1000 reasons why they were wrong, doesn't mean they weren't in fact Christians and motivated by their belief. Just like some may be able to give you 1000 reasons why what ISIS is doing goes against the teachings of Islam, they are none the less still Islamic and to some extent (big or small) motivated by those beliefs.

Why does me holding that belief automatically in the eyes of many on the left mean therefore I hate all Muslims and hold all Muslims accountable for what ISIS is doing?? I can walk and chew gum at the same time you know??

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 05:36 PM

5. These people self-identify as Muslims.

Who are you or anyone else to tell them they're wrong?

Do you think Chelsea Manning is mistaken when she tells the world she's a female, because she has a penis?

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Response to Da Mannn (Original post)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 04:23 PM

2. "We are not at war with Islam. We are at war with people who have perverted Islam"

Who said that -- President Obama or Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi (leader of ISIS)

HINT: Both

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Response to Da Mannn (Original post)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 05:47 PM

6. The GOP's Islamophobia Problem

Republicans have decided that attacking and slandering Muslims is a good political strategy http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2015/02/anti-islam/385463/

But we know this: In America today, the level of public anti-Muslim bigotry is shockingly high. Politicians and pundits, usually on the right, say things about Muslims that they would be immediately fired for saying about Christians or Jews. And they’ll keep doing so until prominent conservatives express the same outrage when Muslims are defamed that they summon when the victims are Christians or Jews. In the 1950s, National Review founder William F. Buckley ran anti-Semites out of the conservative movement. It’s time for his successors to do the same with Islamophobes.

In 2016, for the second straight presidential election, the Republican primary field will include at least one candidate with nakedly anti-Muslim views. I’m not talking about candidates who denounce “radical Islam.” I’m not talking about Newt Gingrich, who in 2011 absurdly claimed that “Sharia is a mortal threat to the survival of freedom in the United States.” I’m not even talking about Bobby Jindal, who kept repeating the lie that Europe contains “no-go” zones where non-Muslims are not allowed, even after it was repudiated by Fox News.

I’m talking about candidates who don’t cloak their prejudice at all. In 2012, the prime offender was Herman Cain. “I happen to side with the people in Murfreesboro,” Cain said, after the residents of that Tennessee town tried to block the building of a mosque. Cain explained that while banning churches or synagogues constitutes religious discrimination, banning mosques does not. Because “Islam is both a religion and a set of laws, Sharia law,” Cain explained, “that’s not discriminating based upon religion.” When asked whether he would feel “comfortable appointing a Muslim, either in your cabinet or as a federal judge?” Cain replied, “No, I will not,” because “there is this creeping attempt, there is this attempt to gradually ease Sharia law and the Muslim faith into our government.”

There’s not much subtlety here. Had Cain said communities should be able to ban churches because Christians impose their sexual morality on others, or that he would not appoint a Jew to his cabinet because Jews are loyal to Israel, he’d have been hounded from the race. But because Cain made his comments about Muslims, he felt no real pressure to drop out from his own ideological side. To the contrary, he continued to rise in the polls after he made those comments, only leaving the race in the wake of an unrelated sex scandal.
Islamaphobia is evidently good politics for republicans

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 10:17 PM

12. Your posts are amusing.

 

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 12:33 AM

13. They're having less and less luck with their old wedges

like gay marriage and the war on drugs, so they have to keep beating the holy war drum.

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Response to Da Mannn (Original post)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 06:47 PM

7. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's KKK Analogy Sums Up ISIS Perfectly

Here are some facts for the conservatives to ignore or not be able to understand

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #7)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 07:46 PM

8. Wrong. The fact ignored here is the KKK is a Democrat party creation.

Its a political tool of oppression.

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #8)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 07:55 PM

10. Here is a very interesting 17 page letter from 120+ Islamic experts/scholars on this issue

This letter is very interesting to me and is written by by 120+ Islamic scholars and experts to the head of ISIL. http://lettertobaghdadi.com/14/english-v14.pdf This letter outlines why ISIL is not islamic and that there practices are not consistent with Islam. HEre is a sample from this letter:

16. Hudud (Punishment): Hudud punishments are fixed in the Qur’an and Hadith and are
unquestionably obligatory in Islamic Law. However, they are not to be applied without clarification,
warning, exhortation, and meeting the burden of proof; and they are not to be applied in a cruel
manner. For example, the Prophet  avoided hudud in some circumstances, and as is widely
known, Omar ibn Al-Khattab suspended the hudud during a famine. In all schools of jurisprudence,
hudud punishments have clear procedures that need to be implemented with mercy, and their
conditions render it difficult to actually implement them. Moreover, suspicions or doubts avert
hudud; i.e. if there is any doubt whatsoever, the hudud punishment cannot be implemented. The
hudud punishments are also not applied to those who are in need or deprived or destitute; there are
no hudud for the theft of fruits and vegetables or for stealing under a certain amount. You have
rushed to enact the hudud while, in reality, conscientious religious fervour makes implementing
hudud punishments something of the utmost difficulty with the highest burden of proof.

17. Torture: Your captives and some of those who were under your control have said that you
tortured and terrorized them through beatings; murder and various other forms of torture, including
burying people alive. You have decapitated people with knives, which is one of the cruellest forms
of torture and is forbidden in Islamic Law (Shari’ah). In the mass killings you have committed—
which are forbidden under Islamic Law—your fighters mock those they are about to kill by telling
them that they will be killed like sheep, bleating and then indeed butchering them like sheep. Your
fighters are not satisfied with mere killing, they add humiliation, debasement and mockery to it.
God  says: ‘O you who believe, do not let any people deride another people: who may be better
than they are …’ (Al-Hujurat, 49: 11).

18. Mutilation: Not only have you mutilated corpses, you have stuck the decapitated heads of your
victims on spikes and rods and kicked their severed heads around like balls and broadcast it to the
world during the World Cup—a sport that is permissible in principle in Islam and which allows
people to relieve stress and forget their problems. You jeered at corpses and severed heads and
broadcast these acts from the military bases you overran in Syria. You have provided ample
ammunition for all those who want to call Islam barbaric with your broadcasting of barbaric acts
which you pretend are for the sake of Islam. You have given the world a stick with which to beat
Islam whereas in reality Islam is completely innocent of these acts and prohibits them.
I really have issues with the concept that Islam and Isis are the same. This letter shows that over 120+ of true Islamic scholars and experts agree.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #10)

Fri Feb 27, 2015, 04:09 PM

15. Because of your pro-Islamic agenda you are taking it upon yourself to decide

who is an Islamic scholar and who is not. What about all of those madrassas in Pakistan that teach their students to hate the West? Aren't those being taught by Islamic scholars as well? Or are they only scholars when they teach what you want to hear?

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Response to john262 (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 27, 2015, 04:53 PM

18. I am Jewish

I am not pro Islamic but I do look at the facts. You really should consider reading up on the issues being discussed and understanding the concepts. Using facts in these discussions would improve your posts a great deal

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #18)

Fri Feb 27, 2015, 05:19 PM

19. I understand the facts very well. Thank you very much.

n/t

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Response to john262 (Reply #19)

Fri Feb 27, 2015, 05:58 PM

20. Then you may want to post some facts that back up your claims

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #20)

Fri Feb 27, 2015, 07:14 PM

21. I already did. Do radical madrassas exist in Pakistan or do they not?

The answer is that they do. And BTW, as a Jew you would be among the first that they would kill.

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Response to Da Mannn (Original post)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 07:55 PM

9. The great Mohamid

 

Was nothing but a land pirate and a pedophile that would be executed in modern times for being the total piece of shit. That was all he was and all he will ever be!

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Response to Da Mannn (Original post)

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 09:40 PM

11. Islam = Muslim = terrorists. All one in the same. No difference.

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Response to Paradigm (Reply #11)

Fri Feb 27, 2015, 04:10 PM

16. They probably already have a fatwa out on you. n/t

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Response to Paradigm (Reply #11)

Fri Feb 27, 2015, 04:18 PM

17. Catholic=IRA=Terrorists

How's that grab you?

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Response to Da Mannn (Original post)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 04:14 AM

14. Ask 10 different people what terrorism is and you'll get 5 different answers.

Ask 10 different people what religion is and you'll get 20 different answers.

Religions mean whatever the adherents say it means, so terroristic jihad is both Islamic and not Islamic. Religions are contradictory because the members don't agree.

There seems to be fewer variations on the concept of terrorism, but there are still fairly different ideas on what it is and what it isn't.

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