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Mon Jan 28, 2019, 11:31 AM

NFL concerned 4 Rams-Saints refs are from California in jaw-dropper

There are some around the NFL wondering if the NFC Championship problem was not the officials’ eyes, brain or judgment, but their past or present addresses.
In actual NFL whispers that sound closer to inane commentary from the bleachers, ESPN reported Sunday there is concern around the league that four officials with Southern California ties worked the Saints-Rams game that ended in controversy and New Orleans fury.
The piece cautions that the NFL does not actually believe the game was fixed and that these Angelenos skillfully directed a close game into overtime and ensured a Rams victory. However, there are some around the league concerned with the peripherals of the refs’ backgrounds, especially because those most responsible for blowing the Nickell Robey-Coleman-Tommylee Lewis pass-interference call near the end of regulation are from or live in California.

Lead official Bill Vinovich is from Newport Beach. According to ESPN, down judge Patrick Turner — who was supposed to follow Lewis on the play — is from Lakewood. The report states side judge Gary Cavaletto, whose eyes were on Lewis as Drew Brees passed to him, lives in Santa Barbara. And back judge Todd Prukop, essentially the safety on the play, lives in Mission Viejo.

“The NFL put in a bad situation,” one officiating source told ESPN. “This is stuff that has to be taken care of prior to game. It’s just guys not thinking of what’s going on, nobody doing their checks and balances. The league is usually pretty much on top of it. This is one that slipped through the cracks.”

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/nfl-concerned-4-rams-saints-refs-are-from-california-in-jaw-dropper

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Reply NFL concerned 4 Rams-Saints refs are from California in jaw-dropper (Original post)
oflguy Jan 28 OP
quad489 Jan 28 #1
freedumb2003 Jan 28 #2
oflguy Jan 28 #3
freedumb2003 Jan 28 #4
oflguy Jan 28 #6
freedumb2003 Jan 28 #8
oflguy Jan 28 #10
Baba Lives Jan 28 #11
freedumb2003 Jan 28 #15
Baba Lives Jan 28 #20
Carlos_Danger Jan 28 #5
oflguy Jan 28 #7
Carlos_Danger Jan 28 #12
oflguy Jan 28 #16
Carlos_Danger Jan 28 #18
Carlos_Danger Jan 28 #13
Carlos_Danger Jan 28 #14
freedumb2003 Jan 28 #9
oflguy Jan 28 #17
freedumb2003 Jan 28 #19
DavesNotHere Jan 30 #21
oflguy Jan 30 #22
DavesNotHere Jan 30 #23
oflguy Jan 30 #24
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Response to oflguy (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2019, 11:35 AM

1. ''This is one that slipped through the cracks''...not to anyone who has watched more than one game..

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Response to oflguy (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2019, 11:35 AM

2. Grassy knoll, Elvis is still alive, Stonecutters

 

Conspiracy theories help losers cope with losing by making it a conspiracy against them.

It is a coping mechanism since otherwise you have to accept 2 Truths: 1) you create your own destiny; 2) shit happens

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Response to freedumb2003 (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 28, 2019, 01:31 PM

3. Easy for you to say

You aren't the one missing out on a Superbowl

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Response to oflguy (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 28, 2019, 01:36 PM

4. How do you know I am not?

 

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Response to freedumb2003 (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 28, 2019, 02:01 PM

6. What position do you play?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 28, 2019, 02:07 PM

8. Tell you and screw up my book deal?

 

no way!

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Response to freedumb2003 (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 28, 2019, 02:12 PM

10. I thought so

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Response to freedumb2003 (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 28, 2019, 02:58 PM

11. Hey now, no dissing the Stonecutters...

Who controls the British crown? Who keeps the metric system down? We do, we do!

Who keeps Atlantis off the maps? Who keeps the Martians under wraps? We do, we do!

Who holds back the electric car? Who makes Steve Guttenberg a star? We do, we do!

Who robs cavefish of their sight? Who rigs every Oscar night? We do, we do, we do!'

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Response to Baba Lives (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 28, 2019, 03:21 PM

15. The REAL emergency number (don't tell anyone)

 

912

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Response to freedumb2003 (Reply #15)

Mon Jan 28, 2019, 06:22 PM

20. Saved my arse on more than one occasion I tell ya

NT

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Response to oflguy (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2019, 01:59 PM

5. Was a bad call

But there were plenty of bad calls/no calls that went in favor of the saints also. Not to mention the Saints had several opportunities to put the game away even AFTER that call so it's a moot point. They choked and fan boys are looking for a boogeyman.

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Response to Carlos_Danger (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 28, 2019, 02:03 PM

7. calls that went in favor of the saints

Such as?

How about the obvious roughing the quarterback on Brees?

Remember that one?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 28, 2019, 03:06 PM

12. Off the top of my head

There were two facemasks that weren't call against the saints, one of which would have put the rams at 1st and goal....a delay of game against the saints that wasn't called while they were in the red zone. But sure, blame the refs and not Breese's interception in OT, or even the Saint's D for failing to prevent the rams from scoring.

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Response to Carlos_Danger (Reply #12)

Mon Jan 28, 2019, 03:44 PM

16. The interception would have never happened if they had called the game correctly

and the subsequent score

There would have been no overtime

Never saw any facemasks

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Response to oflguy (Reply #16)

Mon Jan 28, 2019, 04:02 PM

18. Bruh...they choked

Brees was outplayed....Peyton was outcoached, their defense was terrible and they had no running game.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 28, 2019, 03:12 PM

14. ...

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Response to Carlos_Danger (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 28, 2019, 02:10 PM

9. True dat

 

stuff happens.

Calls go your way, calls go against you.

The ball bounces one way or the other.

The standard definition of "luck" = "when opportunity meets preparedness."

The NOS fan definition of "luck" = "we waz robbed! BUUUAAAA!!!"

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Response to freedumb2003 (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 28, 2019, 03:47 PM

17. So the blown call was bad luck?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #17)

Mon Jan 28, 2019, 04:02 PM

19. Yes.

 

Life sucks. Shit happens. Bad calls happen all the times. Anyone who has watched the NFL for more than a few years knows there is holding on every single play. The officiating in all games this year was awful and in the playoff games were terrible. Some bad calls go/don't go one way.Some the other. Boo freaking hoo.

It didn't GIVE the Rams anything. It just created an opportunity. The Rams won by leveraging that opportunity.

I have heard suggestions for a red flag on non-calls. The cost would be higher but that might make sense.

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Response to oflguy (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 03:56 PM

21. The NFL wont do anything about this. If they do, they are admitting

They don’t have faith that their own referees are unbiased.

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Response to DavesNotHere (Reply #21)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 05:25 PM

22. I have been saying for years that an official needs to be in a room with a monitor

With the ability to rule on controversial calls. It is understandable that every controversial call cannot be reviewed on the field. It simply takes too much time per review. An official in a booth can actually cut game time since he can review a play in a fraction of the time officials can on the field. Also, due to the quickness of booth reviews, both sides could be allowed more challenges and plays that were not reviewable previously could be added to the rules, all while shortening game time, which the NFL has been under the gun to do.

This would make the games more fair. There is simply too much money involved to not do this.

I said when it happened, there is NO WAY anybody could convince me those refs are not biased. The non-call was too blatant.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #22)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 06:18 PM

23. I agree that they need a booth official with monitors,

And they may even eventually do this (one coach was asking for pylon cams years before they did it, but it took forever to get them to allow it).

In any case, officials not being adequate to handle the job is one issue, officials intentionally blowing calls because of bias is a completely separate issue. If the NFL has an issue with the latter, they’ll blame it on the former. They’ll never admit they question the impartiality of their refs.

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Response to DavesNotHere (Reply #23)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 06:31 PM

24. Instant replay has greatly increased the quality of the game

I don't know if you are old enough to remember what the NFL was like before they finally agreed to use it, but I do. It was horrible. Teams got screwed on a regular basis. Once the officials knew instant replay was employed, they cleaned up their act significantly.

College ball officiating has improved also since they used it, but not enough situations are reviewable in both venues.

High school? Don't get me started.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #24)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 11:07 PM

25. I remember the days before instant replay. If I remember right, it came around in the mid 80's

I remember the first NFL game I watched. January 10th, 1982. My mother was a big cowboys fan, so I rooted for the other team (I was 7 years old). Since then, I've been rooting for my local team which is neither the 49ers or Cowboys.

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