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Fri May 16, 2014, 07:55 PM

Most sports are symbol of hetro-oppression, homophobia, gender discrimination and racism.

I know the thread title is likely to put a lot of people off, but roll it around in your mind as you are exposed to mainstream sports.


Why do most sports restrict players to one sex or another?

Why is a gay football player a big deal? Shouldn't it be normal?

Why do so many sports center on male strength and violence?

And don't even get me started on the racism.


I boycott all major sports.

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Reply Most sports are symbol of hetro-oppression, homophobia, gender discrimination and racism. (Original post)
LowKeyLiberal May 2014 OP
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Response to LowKeyLiberal (Original post)

Fri May 16, 2014, 08:38 PM

2. I've been of that frame of mind a while now

Except I mostly regard violent sports like boxing, football, wrestling, hockey, bullfighting, rodeo, etc as the worst offenders.

But they all, baseball especially, carry a large dose of the "boys club" mentality that just sickens me. That leads me to believe it's not predominantly a sports related effect but is a symptom of a corrupted masculine culture. Anywhere the boys club mentality goes, you'll see it.

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Response to spacebar (Reply #2)

Fri May 16, 2014, 08:44 PM

3. Exactly... Even the female-only sport leagues are corrupted by men...

They use female-only leagues, like the WNBA, as an event to eye-rape women and use them for their own benefit. How many WNBA teams are run by women?

All sex and gender discrimination is bad. And all of it serves to strengthen the male hetrocage of oppression.

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Response to LowKeyLiberal (Reply #3)

Fri May 16, 2014, 08:56 PM

4. Women can also adopt that mentality

It's a mentality that, ultimately, while more active in mens culture at the moment, is not rooted in gender, IMO, but in the worship of competition.

But it's difficult to argue against all competition so I confine my criticism for the most part to violet, sexist, racist and homophobic sports.

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Response to LowKeyLiberal (Reply #3)

Fri May 16, 2014, 10:20 PM

7. "eye rape women"? What do you think they're wearing in the WNBA?

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Response to LowKeyLiberal (Reply #3)

Sat May 17, 2014, 06:18 PM

14. "eye rape?"

I think "leer" is the word you're after.

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Response to birthmark2 (Reply #14)

Sun May 18, 2014, 06:50 PM

22. Yeah

I would definitely call it leering too.

But then, it's not just confined to men leering at women in sports.


Plenty of us women are having a whole lot of fun leering at football players in their tight spandex pants.

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Response to Squeek (Reply #22)

Sun May 18, 2014, 08:24 PM

23. Thank you

There are certain ways evolution has wired humans, presumably for the good of the species. Denigrating people for acting the way they are programmed should be reserved for those who go overboard.

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Response to LowKeyLiberal (Reply #3)

Sun May 18, 2014, 08:43 AM

15. As a fan of WNBA basketball...

let me tell you there's nothing less sexy than those uniforms.

That's largely the point, they're intentionally-designed to de-emphasize sex-features. Cut to reduce visible bust, high necklines, shorts cut to extend to mid-knee. (Though most players wear them shorter on the knee citing comfort.), absence of stripes or other non-minimal decoration or logo across the breast, loose cut to be less revealing of the figure. They're athletic uniforms designed to be suited to the sport, not titillate. This is the antithesis of the Lingerie Football League.



As for team ownership:

The Atlanta Dream are entirely owned by an all-female ownership group called Dream Too LLC, majority owned by Mary Brock and Kelly Loeffler.

The Chicago Sky are majority-owned by Michael Alter but the Chairman of the team...the person who is actually recognized by the league as the head of the ownership group..is Margaret Stender, the largest minority-share owner.

The Connecticut Sun are owned entirely by the Mohegan tribe of SE CT, owners of Mohegan Sun casino. They are the only major professional sports team to be owned by a Native American tribe. Coincidentally, Mohegan are feminine-venerating and matrilineal.

(That's the first three teams alphabetically. Doing the rest isn't any better for your case; in addition the majority of owners, coaches, GMs, team and league officials league-wide are female.)

Your post makes me think you've no idea what you are actually criticizing.

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Response to LowKeyLiberal (Original post)

Fri May 16, 2014, 09:57 PM

5. Years ago there was a comedian who opined that football was a homosexual ritual.

It had to do with the see-through tight pants and padding to create an attractive "V" shaped body, the butt slapping, chest smacking, and hugging when the players do a good thing, the running around with an object that was longer than it is wide, the fact that a bunch of players try to jump the one player carrying the object that is longer than it is wide...etc.

I think the comedian was very deliberately providing a bit of snark to counteract the "male strength and violence" themes but it was a well-done bit of stereotype-busting comedy.

More than one comedian has explored this theme, some less successfully than others, but the routine I remember wasn't derogatory, except to those who glorify violence in sport.

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Response to LowKeyLiberal (Original post)

Fri May 16, 2014, 10:18 PM

6. You're right, its racist. But I dont know how to increase white participation.

I guess the fair way would be to make each team roster match the demographics of the country.
So each team would have 17% hispanic, 60% white, 13% black, etc etc.
Otherwise you're favoring one over another

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Response to LowKeyLiberal (Original post)

Sat May 17, 2014, 03:59 AM

8. No, I think they're mostly just games that people enjoy watching...

...and occasionally playing.

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Response to LowKeyLiberal (Original post)

Sat May 17, 2014, 11:28 AM

9. I dont want to make an outright accusation...

...but if I was going to impersonate a liberal........and make them look fucking bonkers.....I would call all sports a symbol of hetero-oppression.........


....jus' sayin' ......

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Response to LowKeyLiberal (Original post)

Sat May 17, 2014, 12:13 PM

10. Symbol, symbolic, symbolism

Please note I am not trying to be cute or parse words a be a grammar Nazi, but you asked us to think about it and I am having trouble understanding what you mean by symbol. Did you mean to say " a symbol" or "symbols of". ?

I don't see how athletics can be a symbol of anything other than competition. Just about every culture in history that I can think of, primitive or developed, has had competitive games physical or otherwise.

Seems to me as if sporting activity is just a normal part of human nature

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Response to LowKeyLiberal (Original post)

Sat May 17, 2014, 01:07 PM

11. The answers are so obvious I can't imagine you are really looking for answers

 

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Response to LowKeyLiberal (Original post)

Sat May 17, 2014, 05:02 PM

12. It literally is just a game.

Chillax bro.

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Response to LowKeyLiberal (Original post)

Sat May 17, 2014, 06:13 PM

13. Where is that "Lighten up Francis" clip from Stripes when we need it?

There is a matter of luck involved to make it in professional sports. However, talent trumps all. That is part of the reason that I appreciate every sport.

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Response to LowKeyLiberal (Original post)

Sun May 18, 2014, 10:01 AM

16. Who really gives a good god damn what you think about sports?

 

Apparently, according to the ratings, you and your ilk are a tiny minority in you views of sporting events.
Go ahead and keep climbing that pedestal of yours, meanwhile, myself and millions upon millions of us will continue to keep the ratings up by watching sport.
In the immortal words of Sgt. Hulka:

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Response to LowKeyLiberal (Original post)

Sun May 18, 2014, 12:00 PM

17. I'm a huge football (soccer) fan.

I also live in Portland Oregon, where there are two top-level professional teams, Portland Timbers FC (MLS, male) and Portland Thorns FC (NWSL, female). While the Timbers are somewhat better supported, they are also a 50-year-old team, with all that implies for an established fan base. The Thorns are only a year old, in a fledgling league...and still draw nearly 14k fans per game (to the Timbers' 20k in the same stadium). That's more than some MLS teams, some La Liga (Spanish men's top-level league) teams, etc. At least around here, the women's game is certainly accorded respect.

"Why do so many sports center on male strength and violence? "

I'm going to decline to talk about the "violence" assertion (subject for another discussion, perhaps) and talk about strength. I'm also going to talk more about sports "proper" and not about games, although I understand the dividing line can get pretty blurry (golf, anyone?)

Sports are about athleticism. That's always going to be some combination of strength, speed, endurance, coordination, and agility. The relative importance of each of these traits will vary from sport to sport, but each will be present to at least some degree. The male physiological advantage in strength is one of the more pronounced differences between genders in these areas of athleticism, and thus in sports prioritizing strength, the gap in performance will be larger. American football, rugby, weightlifting...sports like these require agility and coordination, but also strength in large amounts. It would take an absolutely remarkable, "Brienne of Tarth" sort of physical specimen for a woman to be able to compete with men at the upper levels of these sports.

In sports in which strength is not a large component, women are more competitive...but still have physical disadvantages. Evolution built our species (and primates in general) that way. It's not so much that particular sports are more popular because they emphasize male physical advantages, it's that sports in general do so because they're all about physical attributes that have evolved differently between genders in our species.

That doesn't invalidate sports (or make women's sports any less entertaining to this fan).

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Response to LowKeyLiberal (Original post)

Sun May 18, 2014, 12:11 PM

18. "roll it around in your mind as you are exposed to mainstream sports."

Yeah.

I'll take that under advisement.

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Response to LowKeyLiberal (Original post)

Sun May 18, 2014, 12:43 PM

19. This is a very silly thread

Like complaining rain is wet.

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Response to orson (Reply #19)

Mon May 19, 2014, 02:12 AM

24. More typical DU style than anything.

But that's just me.

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Response to LowKeyLiberal (Original post)

Sun May 18, 2014, 01:25 PM

20. And folks wonder why people laugh at us liberal folks at times

On the right you have Pat Robertson and people burning books and yelling that Dungeons and Dragons is the devil's game and that the earth is 6000 years old.

On the left we have this.

Unless, of course, you were being sly - to which I say, well played

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Response to LowKeyLiberal (Original post)

Sun May 18, 2014, 02:24 PM

21. alrighty then ...

good to know.

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Response to LowKeyLiberal (Original post)

Mon May 19, 2014, 01:27 PM

25. Is this satire?

Because it's not really funny. And if it's attempting to be serious it just comes off as ludicrous.

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Response to LowKeyLiberal (Original post)

Mon May 19, 2014, 01:32 PM

26. Why do most sports restrict players to one sex or another?

Because most people don't want to see a 340 lb lineman mow down a 160 lb woman.

Next..

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Response to LowKeyLiberal (Original post)

Mon May 19, 2014, 01:43 PM

27. OK.

"Why do most sports restrict players to one sex or another?" Because the average male is larger and stronger than the average female. Of course there are exceptions but as a rule I think it's more fair to keep the two sexes separate.

"Why is a gay football player a big deal? Shouldn't it be normal?" Yes it should be normal but homophobia certainly isn't restricted to sports. We are making progress but homophobia continues to exist on a lot of levels. It might be unfair to single out football.

"Why do so many sports center on male strength and violence?" As I said men tend to be bigger and stronger. So it's only natural that male sports often concentrates on strength.

"And don't even get me started on the racism." Of course racism exists in sports as it does everywhere else but again to single out sports is unfair.

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Response to LowKeyLiberal (Original post)

Mon May 19, 2014, 07:41 PM

28. This is one of

the silliest things I've seen in a long time.

But it beats the heck out of thinking about my Red Sox and their massive tanking this year so I am posting in this thread.

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Response to LowKeyLiberal (Original post)

Tue May 20, 2014, 01:49 AM

29. You say that like there is something wrong with that...

do I really need a sarcasm disclaimer?

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Response to LowKeyLiberal (Original post)

Tue May 20, 2014, 03:02 AM

30. Okay, I'll play. Which sports don't you boycott?

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