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Wed Jun 15, 2016, 11:37 PM

Do discussionist juries oppose graduate level education?

I'm not sure how else to explain something like this.

Is having a PhD in Mathematics really an alterable offense here on Discussionist?





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Reply Do discussionist juries oppose graduate level education? (Original post)
cilantro Jun 2016 OP
His Daughter Jun 2016 #1
cilantro Jun 2016 #2
redredruddyred Jun 2016 #4
goodwords Jun 2016 #5
cilantro Jun 2016 #7
msv Jun 2016 #8
cilantro Jun 2016 #9
MeatSandwich Jun 2016 #3
cilantro Jun 2016 #6
MeatSandwich Jun 2016 #21
cilantro Jun 2016 #22
MeatSandwich Jun 2016 #25
cilantro Jun 2016 #27
MeatSandwich Jun 2016 #31
cilantro Jun 2016 #34
Da Mannn Jun 2016 #10
cilantro Jun 2016 #12
Da Mannn Jun 2016 #13
cilantro Jun 2016 #16
Da Mannn Jun 2016 #17
cilantro Jun 2016 #20
MeatSandwich Jun 2016 #24
cilantro Jun 2016 #28
MeatSandwich Jun 2016 #32
Bronxbomber Jun 2016 #11
cilantro Jun 2016 #14
Bronxbomber Jun 2016 #30
Da Mannn Jun 2016 #15
cilantro Jun 2016 #18
Da Mannn Jun 2016 #19
cilantro Jun 2016 #23
AZ0 Jun 2016 #33
Bronxbomber Jun 2016 #35
cilantro Jun 2016 #36
TM999 Jun 2016 #37
cilantro Jun 2016 #46
TM999 Jun 2016 #48
Muddling Through Jun 2016 #51
TM999 Jun 2016 #52
AZ0 Jun 2016 #38
cilantro Jun 2016 #47
AZ0 Jun 2016 #49
marmot84 Jun 2016 #26
cilantro Jun 2016 #29
Attila Gorilla Jun 2016 #40
Da Mannn Jun 2016 #39
Attila Gorilla Jun 2016 #41
Butchie_T Jun 2016 #42
wisbadger Jun 2016 #43
Muddling Through Jun 2016 #44
Mr Happy Jun 2016 #45
AZ0 Jun 2016 #50

Response to cilantro (Original post)

Wed Jun 15, 2016, 11:38 PM

1. Not in my experience

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Response to His Daughter (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 15, 2016, 11:40 PM

2. I got alerted on and hidden simply for having a PhD in Mathematics.

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Response to cilantro (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 15, 2016, 11:41 PM

4. yeah the trolling was incidental nt

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Response to cilantro (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 15, 2016, 11:44 PM

5. Wait, are you saying you have a PhD in Mathematics?

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Response to goodwords (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 15, 2016, 11:49 PM

7. Of course I do, and I had my post hidden because of my PhD.

Wait, are you saying you have a PhD in Mathematics?

Some folks here, including those who serve on juries, seem to hate education, ay least at the graduate level.

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Response to cilantro (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 15, 2016, 11:53 PM

8. You realize juries can read entire threads right?

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Response to msv (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 15, 2016, 11:54 PM

9. Are PhD's in Mathematics bad? (nt)

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Response to cilantro (Original post)

Wed Jun 15, 2016, 11:41 PM

3. How does one obtain a PhD in mathmatics without an undergraduate degree?

Is that even possible?

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Response to MeatSandwich (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 15, 2016, 11:45 PM

6. It is possible, but difficult.

It's in the "don't try this at home" category.

The real question is, "why does the anti-education crowd here at Discussionist get so upset when it happens?"



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Response to cilantro (Reply #6)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 12:16 AM

21. I researched the subject and found that Mathematics seems to be the field where an undergraduate

degree is not always required when applying to a PhD program. I found this to be quite odd.

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Response to MeatSandwich (Reply #21)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 12:19 AM

22. What is odd about it? Some folks do mathematics as a hobby.

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Response to cilantro (Reply #22)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 12:23 AM

25. It's odd because it's one of the very few fields that allow it.

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Response to MeatSandwich (Reply #25)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 12:27 AM

27. Mathematics may or may not be odd, but it is still fun.

People do mathematics mainly because it is so fun to do.

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Response to cilantro (Reply #27)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 12:40 AM

31. Please, read what I wrote. I didn't say mathematics was odd, I said it was odd that it was one of

few fields to allow PhD work without an undergraduate degree. Stop being obtuse (a mathematical term, I believe).

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Response to MeatSandwich (Reply #31)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 12:47 AM

34. I can't explain the oddities of non-mathematical fields.

Not my subject.

My mathematical sensibilities tell me to accept anybody who is qualified.

To me, qualifications are more important in mathematics than degrees.

Other subjects may vary.

But I'm not in those other subjects.

I'm a mathematician.



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Response to MeatSandwich (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 15, 2016, 11:56 PM

10. Not possible. you need an undergrad degree.

otherwise the poster in question wouldn't be so vague

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #10)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 12:02 AM

12. Obviously it is possible, since I did it.

It may upset the anti-education crown when folks manage to get an education, but, even if difficult, it is not impossible, regardless of the sour grapes.

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Response to cilantro (Reply #12)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 12:07 AM

13. and I'm the Czar.

sooo, how did you accomplish the impossible?

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #13)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 12:09 AM

16. How is my having a PhD in Mathematics an alertable and hidable offense?

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Response to cilantro (Reply #16)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 12:11 AM

17. avoiding the question

But I'll answer you if you answer me

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #17)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 12:16 AM

20. Not avoiding it at all.

Obviously, it is not impossible, since I have done it.

My success simply upsets folks, that's all.

The real question is "why?"

I figure that there is some anti-intellectual thing going on.

Some folks are upset at others getting an education, and are determined to hide anybody who succeeds where they have failed.

But there is really no reason for those folks to feel badly about it.



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Response to cilantro (Reply #20)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 12:21 AM

24. You really haven't thought this through.

Many of us here have graduate degrees of some type or another. When some laugh at you, or doubt your word, that's not being anti-intellectual, it's just expressing an opinion. You need to learn the difference.

I figure that there is some anti-intellectual thing going on.

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Response to MeatSandwich (Reply #24)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 12:32 AM

28. Folks laugh at mathematics all the time. But hiding folks for being a mathematician is odd.

Look, In get it.

Some folks in other subjects don't like mathematics.

That doesn't make it an alterable offense, does it?

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Response to cilantro (Reply #28)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 12:41 AM

32. No, I said they were laughng at you, not mathemetics. Big difference.

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Response to cilantro (Original post)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 12:01 AM

11. For someone who allegedly has a PhD in math, you're sure having a hard time putting 2&2 together.

You garnered hides in that thread for engaging in puerile name calling and engaging in a personal attack.

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Response to Bronxbomber (Reply #11)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 12:07 AM

14. How does my having a PhD constitute name-calling or a personal attack?

It was a pretty short post.





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Response to cilantro (Reply #14)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 12:37 AM

30. It doesn't.

But repeatedly hissing "Trumphumper" at people with whom you disagree with is.

Do the math again, professor. No matter how hard you try, you'll never be able to divide by zero.

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Response to Bronxbomber (Reply #11)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 12:08 AM

15. Bingo

what he said

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #15)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 12:11 AM

18. Do you feel under attack from Mathematics?

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Response to cilantro (Reply #18)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 12:13 AM

19. Frankly I don't believe you have a PHD in anything

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #19)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 12:20 AM

23. Your disbelief is irrelevant.

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Response to cilantro (Reply #23)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 12:44 AM

33. What university did you get your PhD from?

One of those online universities?

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Response to AZ0 (Reply #33)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 12:52 AM

35. Probably this one...

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Response to AZ0 (Reply #33)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 12:56 AM

36. The Johns Hopkins University.

They have the oldest graduate program in mathematics in this country.

That's why they have the autonony to accept qualified individuals into their program without administrative interference.

Acceptance decisions for their PhD program in mathematics are made by mathematicians rather than by administrators.

When mathematicians are in control, that works out good for folks like me, because I like math.

When administrators are in control, folks like me don't have a chance.

We're deemed as "unqualified" by folks who know nothing about mathematics, simply because we don't have some piece of paper..

This phenomina can be seen right here in this thread.








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Response to cilantro (Reply #36)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 01:26 AM

37. I am sorry but I find this very hard to believe.

One of my best friends from college got her Ph.D. in mathematics at John Hopkins and teaches there to this day.

There admissions requirements are comparable to any and all programs in this country with very rare exceptions which given your communications here suggests you would never have qualified for this. Sometimes you can barely follow a conversation or argument let alone respond to it with a rational rebuttal or argument.

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Response to TM999 (Reply #37)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 08:31 PM

46. I recognize you from the Religion forum at DU.

Your post is disappointing, rather than a joke, as it would be were it posted by some of the regulars here.

What are your qualifications to make judgments on somebody's mathematical abilities?

Do you actually know anything about my field?

Or is this just an exercise in anti-intellectualism? Jumping on the Discussionist knownothingist bandwagon, perhaps?













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Response to cilantro (Reply #46)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 10:06 PM

48. Hardly intellectualism.

I have multiple graduate degrees and as I said I have a close friend from my college days on the faculty of John Hopkins.

Perhaps a better approach would be to simply argue your points and not rely on whether you have a degree or not?

Neither you nor I can ascertain the 'truth' about our anonymous selves offline.

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Response to TM999 (Reply #48)

Fri Jun 17, 2016, 07:01 AM

51. He cannot argue his own points,

his appeal to authority as an alleged "calculus professor" and repetitive insults are all he has.

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Response to Muddling Through (Reply #51)

Fri Jun 17, 2016, 08:05 AM

52. He is passionate about gun control.

I imagine that clouds his ability to reason quite a bit.

I get it but when it devolves into, as you say, appeals to authority, and personal attacks, it does nothing to support his position.

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Response to cilantro (Reply #36)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 01:56 AM

38. Bravo for you

but you had no undergrad courses in calculus, differential equations, linear algebra or advanced statistics? Those are difficult undergrad courses that are not easily self taught.

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Response to AZ0 (Reply #38)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 08:37 PM

47. Those are all lower level undergraduate subjects, hardly advanced.

but you had no undergrad courses in calculus, differential equations, linear algebra or advanced statistics? Those are difficult undergrad courses that are not easily self taught.

I teach them all for a living routinely, except for stats. I've only taught intro courses in stats.

Most of the students who take those courses aren't even math majors.

You do realize that, right?

The courses you mentioned are service courses, which are taught by math departments to students in other subjects, not courses meant primarily for math majors.







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Response to cilantro (Reply #47)

Fri Jun 17, 2016, 12:33 AM

49. Okay.

Math majors don't learn differential equations where you teach? No eigenvectors for principal component analysis?

Or statistics?

Wow.

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Response to cilantro (Original post)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 12:24 AM

26. The jury system here is broken

and dominated by the cons

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Response to marmot84 (Reply #26)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 12:32 AM

29. I've noticed. (nt)

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Response to marmot84 (Reply #26)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 03:47 AM

40. Please.

He only comes here to troll.

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Response to cilantro (Original post)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 03:03 AM

39. Bottom line: Your hides came from trolling, not from a pretend education

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Response to cilantro (Original post)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 03:48 AM

41. 3 down, 2 hides to go.

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Response to Attila Gorilla (Reply #41)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 07:46 AM

42. I'm picking 'gone again by Sunday'

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Response to cilantro (Original post)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 10:39 AM

43. I can't speak for the jury, but I can try. It's not a post I would have voted to hide, but I rarely

vote to hide anything. I would bet you were hidden because you were being fairly obnoxious in the thread. I doubt anyone really cares about your education level as it's not relevant on this board. Your supposed PhD isn't going to score you any extra points with the general public.

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Response to cilantro (Original post)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 11:13 AM

44. No.

They appear to have an issue with disingenuous, hate-filled bigots who only comes here to tell when they are timed out elsewhere.

The problem appears to be with your behavior.

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Response to cilantro (Original post)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 02:51 PM

45. If you focus on the argument and not on the person, you won't get the hide...

the problem is that your posts are not rational arguments. They tend to incite instead of promoting rational argument of an issue.

try and avoid ad hominem and other logical fallacies and things, I've found, get much better.

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Response to cilantro (Original post)

Fri Jun 17, 2016, 12:45 AM

50. Can you solve please?

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