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joefriday6 Feb 2017 OP
specs Feb 2017 #1
def_con5 Feb 2017 #2
oldenuff35 Feb 2017 #4
AmandaCMatthews Feb 2017 #6
oldenuff35 Feb 2017 #7
AmandaCMatthews Feb 2017 #8
oflguy Feb 2017 #9
NavyBrat Feb 2017 #3
Troll2 Feb 2017 #5
marmot84 Feb 2017 #10
Mr Daffy Duck Feb 2017 #11
joefriday6 Feb 2017 #12
smalllivingeddy Feb 2017 #13
Ravenquills Feb 2017 #14

Response to joefriday6 (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 07:43 PM

1. No. It is called a cycle and the minor drought is over :)

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Response to joefriday6 (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 07:49 PM

2. Any news on the damn?

Fingers crossed, it holds.

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Response to def_con5 (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 08:33 PM

4. I hope for the best

I have friends and family directly involved in that mess

Always remember that it is/was moonbeam who refused to fix the known pro lens with that structure because he CHOSE to spend the money on illegals and a bullet train to nowhere.

If 200,000 evacuees turn into 200,000 REFUGEES it is because of moonbeam choices.

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Response to oldenuff35 (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 09:18 PM

6. There's more than enough blame to go around

(This would be under the Administration of George W. Bush and Ah-nold)

Oroville Dam: Feds and state officials ignored warnings 12 years ago

More than a decade ago, federal and state officials and some of California’s largest water agencies rejected concerns that the massive earthen spillway at Oroville Dam — at risk of collapse Sunday night and prompting the evacuation of 185,000 people — could erode during heavy winter rains and cause a catastrophe.

Three environmental groups — the Friends of the River, the Sierra Club and the South Yuba Citizens League — filed a motion with the federal government on Oct. 17, 2005, as part of Oroville Dam’s relicensing process, urging federal officials to require that the dam’s emergency spillway be armored with concrete, rather than remain as an earthen hillside.

The groups filed the motion with FERC, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission. They said that the dam, built and owned by the state of California, and finished in 1968, did not meet modern safety standards because in the event of extreme rain and flooding, fast-rising water would overwhelm the main concrete spillway, then flow down the emergency spillway, and that could cause heavy erosion that would create flooding for communities downstream, but also could cause a failure, known as “loss of crest control.”

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FERC rejected that request, however, after the state Department of Water Resources, and the water agencies that would likely have had to pay the bill for the upgrades, said they were unnecessary. Those agencies included the Metropolitan Water District of Southern California, which provides water to 19 million people in Los Angeles, San Diego and other areas, along with the State Water Contractors, an association of 27 agencies that buy water from the state of California through the State Water Project. The association includes the Metropolitan Water District, Kern County Water Agency, the Santa Clara Valley Water District and the Alameda County Water District.

Federal officials at the time said that the emergency spillway was designed to handle 350,000 cubic feet per second and the concerns were overblown.

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/02/12/oroville-dam-feds-and-state-officials-ignored-warnings-12-years-ago/

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Response to AmandaCMatthews (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 18, 2017, 02:39 AM

7. This dam is a ca project from idea to completion

What ever happens is on the back of the state, not the feds.

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Response to oldenuff35 (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 18, 2017, 04:28 AM

8. No, it isn't

Oroville Dam is an earthfill embankment dam on the Feather River east of the city of Oroville, California, in the United States. At 770 feet (235 m) high, it is the tallest dam in the U.S. and serves mainly for water supply, hydroelectricity generation and flood control. The dam impounds Lake Oroville, the second largest man-made lake in the state of California, capable of storing more than 3.5 million acre-feet (4.4 km3). It is located in the Sierra Nevada foothills east of the Sacramento Valley.

Built by the California Department of Water Resources (DWR), Oroville Dam is one of the key features of the California State Water Project (SWP), one of two major projects passed that set up California's statewide water system. Construction was initiated in 1961, and despite numerous difficulties encountered during its construction, including multiple floods and a major train wreck on the rail line used to transport materials to the dam site, the embankment was topped out in 1967 and the entire project was ready for use in 1968. The dam began to generate electricity after completion of the Edward Hyatt Pump-Generating Plant, then the country's largest underground power station.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oroville_Dam

What FERC Does (Federal Regulatory Energy Commission)

The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, or FERC, is an independent agency that regulates the interstate transmission of electricity, natural gas, and oil. FERC also reviews proposals to build liquefied natural gas (LNG) terminals and interstate natural gas pipelines as well as licensing hydropower projects. The Energy Policy Act of 2005 gave FERC additional responsibilities as outlined and updated Strategic Plan. As part of that responsibility, FERC:

Licenses and inspects private, municipal, and state hydroelectric projects;

https://www.ferc.gov/about/ferc-does.asp

I'm even going to use Breitbart here:

Oroville Dam: State and Federal Government Share Blame

Three environmental groups — the Friends of the River, the Sierra Club and the South Yuba Citizens League — filed a motion with the federal government on Oct. 17, 2005, as part of Oroville Dam’s relicensing process, urging federal officials to require that the dam’s emergency spillway be armored with concrete, rather than remain as an earthen hillside.

The groups filed the motion with FERC, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission. They said that the dam, built and owned by the state of California, and finished in 1968, did not meet modern safety standards because in the event of extreme rain and flooding, fast-rising water would overwhelm the main concrete spillway, then flow down the emergency spillway, and that could cause heavy erosion that would create flooding for communities downstream, but also could cause a failure, known as “loss of crest control.”

FERC rejected that request, however, after the state Department of Water Resources, and the water agencies that would likely have had to pay the bill for the upgrades, said they were unnecessary.

http://www.breitbart.com/california/2017/02/13/oroville-dam-state-federal-government-share-blame/

But you can lay the blame on Ah-nold. He's one of yours.

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Response to AmandaCMatthews (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 18, 2017, 10:31 AM

9. Has to be George Bush's fault

We are bypassing Obama

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Response to joefriday6 (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 08:13 PM

3. Seek help.

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Response to joefriday6 (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 08:46 PM

5. Look on the bright side - you are close to the ocean so the water runs off easily

Its relatively flat in Long Beach, so you are not likely to slide down hill or have a hill slide down on you.

Stuff is too wet to burn now.

It is not shaking at the moment.

It's about as good as it gets in California.

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Response to joefriday6 (Original post)

Sat Feb 18, 2017, 11:16 AM

10. I enjoy being mean to Republicans

but ONLY because they are so mean to me.

I'm glad you are suffering Joe.. And I do hope you blame "liberals"

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Response to joefriday6 (Original post)

Tue Feb 21, 2017, 02:59 PM

11. Every 200 years California suffers a storm of biblical proportions....

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Response to Mr Daffy Duck (Reply #11)

Tue Feb 21, 2017, 03:14 PM

12. Yeah, I think you are right. Found a dead duck in my swimming pool. I think he landed on the edge

and hit his head. Raining so hard Sunday, you couldn't see right in front of you.

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Response to joefriday6 (Original post)

Tue Feb 21, 2017, 11:30 PM

13. That is satire--right???

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Response to joefriday6 (Original post)

Wed Feb 22, 2017, 04:24 PM

14. I may sometimes think you are an idiot

But i really hope that everything works out okay for you. Please let us all know that you are okay and safe.

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