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Thu Mar 8, 2018, 04:03 AM

Transitional Forms

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Cold Warrior Mar 2018 OP
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SatansSon666 Mar 2018 #7
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Response to Cold Warrior (Original post)

Thu Mar 8, 2018, 07:38 AM

1. But instead of hurling a whole bunch of skeletons at high speed so we cannot study them more closely

I will task you with one that evolutionists say if a FACT! Just show me the transitions from theropod to bird!

This is supposed settled science now so it should be easy for yo to show me the changes from a raptor to bird!

No one here seems to have the ability to show this factual transition!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 04:33 PM

4. Showing some dipshit that doesn't even know how to pause a video anything is a waste of time.

 

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Response to nolidad (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 06:03 AM

7. Raptor to bird.. scales to feathers.

It happened. . Deal with it.
I only can hope they find the evidence soon, so I can watch you jump thru hoops and wait to see what ICR says.
Lmao.
Poor Nolidad..

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Response to Cold Warrior (Original post)

Thu Mar 8, 2018, 07:42 AM

2. I love this dumbledorf!

They are doing the inquisition age Roman tyranny. If you do no t know the lingo, If you do no t have a degree, or have peered reviewed papers you have no business commenting!

Using this guys line of reasoning then:

I have degrees in theology, I have peered reviewed papers and radio shows and TV shows, so I guess when I speak of God- an atheist like you should just shut up! You just don't have a clue what you are talking about! I am smarter than you in the matters of God!

But to let you know, He should update his high speed list- I did see a few that were debunked by evolutionists themselves after they were written and peer reviewed! OOPS

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Response to nolidad (Reply #2)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 06:00 AM

5. Peer-reviewed papers..

Lmao.
Oh...


You read it and said "yup, that's what the Bible says."

SCIENCE!!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #2)

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 06:01 AM

6. That's what peer review is for.

To try to debunk the evidence and conclusions of the experiments.
All that means is that peer review works and science advances everytime.
I don't expect you to understand that.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #6)

Tue Mar 13, 2018, 11:05 AM

9. And if you believe in the same stuff as a peer?

Maybe you didn't read about teh massive scandal in peer review in science!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/03/27/fabricated-peer-reviews-prompt-scientific-journal-to-retract-43-papers-systematic-scheme-may-affect-other-journals/?utm_term=.1dc182ed385a

https://www.chemistryworld.com/news/fake-peer-review-hits-rsc-journals/3007911.article

https://retractionwatch.com/2017/04/20/new-record-major-publisher-retracting-100-studies-cancer-journal-fake-peer-reviews/

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2015/04/fake_peer_review_scientific_journals_publish_fraudulent_plagiarized_or_nonsense.html

https://www.nature.com/news/publishing-the-peer-review-scam-1.16400

these are but a few of the dozens of articles that rocked the world when it was found out that science was faking peer reviews.

Peer review is not one of the parts of teh scientific method in case you didn't know- this is one of the reasons why. YOu get lies, forgeries or people who agree with you and will not really correct your conclusions.

Even creationists submit their research to review panels for criticism and those are nearly as untrustworthy! Too much room for subjectivity, favoritism and bias.

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Response to nolidad (Reply #9)

Tue Mar 13, 2018, 11:12 AM

10. Shit happens sometimes.

Doesn't change anything.
Certainly doesn't mean peer review is useless.
That's all you got..

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #10)

Tue Mar 13, 2018, 01:37 PM

11. No peer review has a place

Even creation science has peer review boards.

But secular science has now thrown peer review into question by showing that so much work is falsified or self reviewed or reviewed with a predetermined outcome.

Also in creation circles- you will not find a peer review agreeing that creation did not take place

nor in an evolutionary review board (because you will not find a scientist who believes in creation allowed to be on a secular review board) you will not find a peer review agreeing that evolution is false!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #11)

Tue Mar 13, 2018, 06:19 PM

12. You aren't allowed to say creation didn't take place

If you work for a creationist organization.
They sign statements of faith saying that.
It's completely dishonest.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #12)

Tue Mar 13, 2018, 07:34 PM

13. YOu are right!

And they even sign those statements willingly!!! they are not tricked or drugged or coerced. they come to those organizations because their research in all their fields of science led them to believe God had to do it!!!

Now if you want to talk dishonest- please watch Ben Steins' documentary "Expelled- No Intelligence Allowed"

And what happens to scientists who actually even dare to say that maybe ID should be considered! they end up without a job!

Who is being more dishonest- the one who puts it in your employment contract right up front? or the ones who do it back handedly if you even mention ID (not even YEC) in a paper or a class!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #13)

Tue Mar 13, 2018, 07:42 PM

14. The persons being more dishonest

Are the ones saying that they will reject evidence based on their beliefs.

Correct. . Expelled is entirely dishonest. It is a good show to watch to see dishonesty on full display.

There are tons of Christian scientists and they don't have to hide their beliefs to work in their chosen fields. Young earth geologists aren't credible, because they admit they deny evidence due to their beliefs.
A couple. Of AIG employees worked as actual scientists and chose to leave.
That's their choice but as soon as you say you'll ignore evidence if it goes against the biblical version of creation you should never work in scientific research again.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #14)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 06:31 AM

15. Once again you display for all to see

Our lack of integrity.

You called expelled dishonest- but will not and cannot show why! YOu think that just your pontifications make it so!

And all those accredited scientists would simply show that you don't know what you are talking about!

They came to faith (most of them) based on their research- not the other way around. Maybe you should read their accounts instead of making up lies!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 06:37 AM

16. It's so easy to see you've never actually done science

Know any scientists or anything about them.

You say it's honest to admit you are being dishonest, like creationists do.
It's funny as fuck.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #16)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 04:41 PM

17. Actually that was a misspell it was supposed to be you!

Well based on your answers I know far more about science than you do.

Other than to just attack Christians and creationism- you have added almost nothing to any discussion you have engaged in. You spend more time attacking than discussing or presenting facts! YOu spout "evolution is true and you just don't understand it."

Well I have posted about 1,000 times more info on evolution than you have!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #17)

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 05:39 PM

18. Lmao..

You do not know fuck all about science, the methods, the universe, relativity.. none of that shit. You prove it every damn day.
Maybe people humor you at home and stuff but in reality, you don't know jack.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #18)

Thu Mar 15, 2018, 06:26 AM

19. Coming from you - that makes me feel honored!

The man who hasn't been able to give one even semi- scientific response in hundreds of replies!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #19)

Thu Mar 15, 2018, 09:09 AM

20. I have. You just throw out.. feathers and scales..

When you get backed into a corner you call me a bigot and hateful. You have a couple of little talking points that you are stuck on and refuse to find the answers for.
I'm not your fucking professor.
You need to learn how shit works before you can understand how the other shit works.
There is no answer you would accept for anything even after evidence is shown to you.
Like Ken ham. Nothing will change your mind.
Like the fools at ICR, no evidence can change your mind.
You expect people to do your work for you so you can either try to discredit the sources or the websites the links are from. Ignoring the evidence presented and running to creationist websites to be spoon fed lies about science, that you gobble up like a starving puppy. Except you aren't starving for food. You are starved of knowledge, truth and reality and where I get to eat rib eye steaks as knowledge, you get fed cheap dog food and will never know the difference because you are scared to sniff the other bowl and see what you have been missing.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Original post)

Thu Mar 8, 2018, 11:04 AM

3. My favorite place in the world are Natural History Museums.

The hours I have spent at the Smithsonian and British Natural History Museum! I stopped the video at almost every fossil to have a good butchers at them.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Original post)

Sun Mar 11, 2018, 01:16 PM

8. Who made the experts experts?

How can they know the genetics of a fossil so that it truly is a transitional from say raptor to bird? How have they verified all that paleontological info? Hard to really determine what type of a creature you have many times from partial skeletons.

We don't even have transitions from raptor to bird! If you don't believe it just go through the list here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dinosaur_species_preserved_with_evidence_of_feathers

Almost all of these dinosaurs lived after archaeopteryx (which by some considered true bird- others the final transition) which according to evolutionists lived 150 million years ago! Hard to be a transition if you lived after birds made the scene!

Here is a small test: Which is the skeleton of the ancestor to cats, dogs, sloths bears and which is the skeleton of a modern otter?



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Response to nolidad (Reply #8)

Thu Mar 15, 2018, 09:19 AM

21. Bottom one is otter.

Even though it doesn't make a difference. Showing how similar skeletons are only gives evidence for evolution.

Like your archaeopteryx there.
Creationists can't even agree on if it's a bird or not. They all agree it isn't transitional though, no such thing. It's so ridiculous that and they have changed their minds back and forth, some say it's definitely a bird, then it's not, some say it isn't a bird, then it is.. pretty obvious it's somewhere in the middle.. but creationists can't admit that, so they lie.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #21)

Thu Mar 15, 2018, 03:21 PM

22. Yeah but otters didn't evolve from the first critter according to evolutionists.

As for archaeopteryx? Even evolutionists debate on whether it is a transition or a true bird!

All YEC scientists I know accept archy as true bird! Wings, bone structure, feathers, perching hind limbs.

The only argument is that it has 2 unique features that differ from modern birds- teeth and bony fingers!

Still haven't showed how scales became feathers and all that has to evolve with that to make feathers an advantage !

Why don't you just admit and say I DON'T KNOW!!!!! At least I could respect your honesty instead of your song and dance and obfuscation.

It would be noce if you discussed as a mature person instead of just chucking your insults!

BTW you should check evolutionary ornothological journals- for it is evolutionists that argue back and forth!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #22)

Fri Mar 16, 2018, 04:27 AM

23. Darwin predicted archaeopteryx.

He noticed that the tips of bird wings looked like fingers were fused together and if his theory was correct they should find a bird with unfused fingers..
Then they did. Archaeopteryx.
A true transitional species. Well we are all transitional species but that is evidence. That you reject.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #23)

Fri Mar 16, 2018, 06:37 PM

24. Well as you are big at making claims and tiny at supporting your claims

Care to give a cite?

I can take the bible account of the flood- make predictions of what I should find in the world, go search for the evidence of what I should expect to find and come up with far more evidence and support for the flood than Darwin's prediction.

But show how scales were replaced by feathers and all the necessary changes that go along with that to make the feather viable and you can go a long way to making a convert to evolution!!!!!!!

And no you have not shown anything- you just show a long scale and teh standard CYA line of: given enough time- it vould, it might, it may have, we think, etc.etc.letc. etc. that is not proof but guesses!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #24)

Sat Mar 17, 2018, 04:08 AM

25. Wrong.

The first folks studying this were creationists.
They expected to find evidence of a global flood. They didn't. Nobody ever has. They had to follow the evidence because they were scientists.
That's why it works. ICR is the opposite of those old creationists. They didn't sign states of faith admitting their dishonesty. They tried to explain it but they could clearly see the evidence they found pointed to an old earth.
It all still does, only we have tons more evidence now. That you reject because of the lies told to you by ICR.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #25)

Sat Mar 17, 2018, 06:40 AM

26. Your lying is getting bolder!

I can give you quotes of dozens of early creationists who attested to a flood
Lyell and Cuvier were not! they were the ones who popularized a secular explanation for the evidence of the flood.

You : " They didn't sign states of faith admitting their dishonesty" Are you modelling hitler now? Telling a lie often enough you think you can get me to believe it?

YOu: "It all still does, only we have tons more evidence now. That you reject because of the lies told to you by ICR"

Well lying again about me only makes you look more of a clown than before! I believe not because of ICR, but because the evidence points to a global flood!

See your problem is you accept the dogmas of old age and evolution without checking them against empirical science. Empirical science condemns evolution as I have shown you over and over again! It is you who are dishonest in your beliefs.

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Response to nolidad (Reply #26)

Sat Mar 17, 2018, 06:49 AM

27. Facts are facts.

The first people studying this expected to find evidence of a global flood.
They didn't.
Nobody else has since.

ICR deliberately hides evidence and rejects evidence contrary to their statement of faith.
That's also a fact..
Answers in Genesis is the same way.
Both have pulled their statement of faith offline because it's proof they are dishonest.
It's also dishonest to hide evidence of your guilt, like they did when they pulled them offline.
Smarten up.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #27)

Sun Mar 18, 2018, 07:33 AM

28. LIes are lies and you are good at it!

The first people did find evidence of global flood. It was a standard accepted model.

But it was the work of an atheist and a deist (James Hutton and Charles Lyell) Along with men in other fields like Smith, cuvier, Wallace, Darwin,Malthus, Steno, Lamarck, et. al. All deists, agnostics or atheists (one was a Catholic who helped in the counter reformation.)

These men turned science upside down in Europe. Christians still held to the flood and a young earth, but as denominations fell to the higher schools of criticism and what appeared to be irrefutable science.

So in science, belief in a young earth pretty much went underground. Until the mid 20th century when more and more scientists questioned the tenets of an old universe and went public and laid the groundwork for the scientific creation movement. Since then many YEC orgs. have sprung up and have close to 100,000 people around the world who work in the field of science.

YOu write: "ICR deliberately hides evidence and rejects evidence contrary to their statement of faith.
That's also a fact." Prove it--cite one!.

You write: "Both have pulled their statement of faith offline because it's proof they are dishonest. "

YOu are a liar! It took me all of 20 seconds to find both orgs. statement of faith online!!!!!

I forget teh term they use when one is guilty of something and they accuse their opponent of doing that. It is most evolutionary research depts. in college that are dishonest. They are the ones that reject the evidence they see disproves old ages and evolution,

They are the ones who can hire a highly credentialed PHD and after they find out that they are a YEC - get them ousted from their position through several subtle means!

If you reject evolution, you can have several patents and awards for work ina field, but many many universities will get you kicked off the staff!

Making stuff up to lie about those you hate is poor form- typical for you but still poor form!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #28)

Mon Mar 19, 2018, 04:27 AM

29. Prove it? Cite it?

I told you, they pulled them offline.
I didn't make copies, but I can search around for them later, maybe they are cached somewhere. Will it even matter? You still won't care or admit how dishonest it is.

The last loon you tried to prop up did good work even though he was a creationist and people knew his views. They didn't hold it against him for his thesis or research. He chose to go to ICR because he's a loon. Not because he had evidence of a global flood or creation that was rejected. There is no evidence for those things. None.

Would you agree that it is dishonest to require your "scientists" to ignore evidence that goes against your faith?
Yes or no?
Simple yes or no.


Edit.. found one from Answers in Genesis.
Now.. would you say this is dishonest?

By definition, no apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the scriptural record. Of primary importance is the fact that evidence is always subject to interpretation by fallible people who do not possess all information.

Hmm. .

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #29)

Mon Mar 19, 2018, 06:35 AM

30. Lying again!

Go to teh ICR main page. click on the "about us" and voila! their statment of faith.

AIG--bottom of home page-voila!

You wrote:

"Would you agree that it is dishonest to require your "scientists" to ignore evidence that goes against your faith?
Yes or no?
Simple yes or no. "

Well when you answer some of the questions that you have allowed to back up- I will answer yours!

YOu write :" Not because he had evidence of a global flood or creation that was rejected. There is no evidence for those things. None."

Says one who routinely rejects the evidnence for a young earth and young universe!

YOu wrote: " He chose to go to ICR because he's a loon. Not because he had evidence of a global flood or creation that was rejected"

Which peer review board rejected it? Old earthers do not even review YEC evidence.

You wrote: "Would you agree that it is dishonest to require your "scientists" to ignore evidence that goes against your faith? "

Would you agree it is dishonest to threaten the career of a scientist who finds evidence against evolution and old ages and seeks to publish it while working in a secular university?

I cannot attest to your acumen in science, but I can give powerful testimony to your ability to create straw men, hurl ad-hominems and obfuscate.

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Response to nolidad (Reply #30)

Mon Mar 19, 2018, 06:45 AM

31. More questions. No answers.

I missed the statement of faith on ICR somehow. That's hardly a lie. So what does it say?
Let's see.


What evidence of young earth and young universe am I rejecting? Hmm?

Lol.. you are one to talk about ad hominems.
You've called me a bigot and a liar and hateful among other things. Take a look in the fucking mirror.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #31)

Tue Mar 20, 2018, 04:56 PM

32. I call you those because in your writing you have made it clear you are!

words like "loon"," f****** morons", "liars" are solid evidence you hate creationists.

YOu have repeatedly lied over and over again about things I have said that I did not!

As for being a bigot:
big·ot
ˈbiɡət/Submit
noun
a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.

Tolerance is not something you are of me or creation scientists.

I have constantly asked you to engage in a debate and you seem content in hurling your ad-hominems, unverified assaults, and profane spewing of charges instead of seeking to show me wrong!

Is that why you are here on these threads? To somehow get your jollies by putting others down without proof?

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Response to nolidad (Reply #32)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 04:39 AM

34. I don't hate creationists.

I don't hate anybody.
The leaders of creationism are fucking loons, liars and charlatans.
You don't see it but everyone else does.
They are openly dishonest with their methods and you just think that's great.
You think 'm the liar, not the ones that freely admit they reject evidence if it goes against genesis.
Lmao.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #31)

Tue Mar 20, 2018, 04:59 PM

33. From ICR:

Principles of Scientific Creationism

The physical universe of space, time, matter, and energy has not always existed, but was supernaturally created by a transcendent personal Creator who alone has existed from eternity.
The phenomenon of biological life did not develop by natural processes from inanimate systems but was specially and supernaturally created by the Creator.
Each of the major kinds of plants and animals was created functionally complete from the beginning and did not evolve from some other kind of organism. Changes in basic kinds since their first creation are limited to "horizontal" changes (variations) within the kinds, or "downward" changes (e.g., harmful mutations, extinctions).
The first human beings did not evolve from an animal ancestry, but were specially created in fully human form from the start. Furthermore, the "spiritual" nature of man (self-image, moral consciousness, abstract reasoning, language, will, religious nature, etc.) is itself a supernaturally created entity distinct from mere biological life.
The record of earth history, as preserved in the earth's crust, especially in the rocks and fossil deposits, is primarily a record of catastrophic intensities of natural processes, operating largely within uniform natural laws, rather than one of gradualism and relatively uniform process rates. There are many scientific evidences for a relatively recent creation of the earth and the universe, in addition to strong scientific evidence that most of the earth's fossiliferous sedimentary rocks were formed in an even more recent global hydraulic cataclysm.
Processes today operate primarily within fixed natural laws and relatively uniform process rates, but since these were themselves originally created and are daily maintained by their Creator, there is always the possibility of miraculous intervention in these laws or processes by their Creator. Evidences for such intervention should be scrutinized critically, however, because there must be clear and adequate reason for any such action on the part of the Creator.
The universe and life have somehow been impaired since the completion of creation, so that imperfections in structure, disease, aging, extinctions, and other such phenomena are the result of "negative" changes in properties and processes occurring in an originally-perfect created order.
Since the universe and its primary components were created perfect for their purposes in the beginning by a competent and volitional Creator, and since the Creator does remain active in this now-decaying creation, there do exist ultimate purposes and meanings in the universe. Teleological considerations, therefore, are appropriate in scientific studies whenever they are consistent with the actual data of observation. Furthermore, it is reasonable to assume that the creation presently awaits the consummation of the Creator's purpose.
Although people are finite and scientific data concerning origins are always circumstantial and incomplete, the human mind (if open to possibility of creation) is able to explore the manifestations of that Creator rationally, scientifically, and teleologically.
Principles of Biblical Creationism

The Creator of the universe is a triune God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. There is only one eternal and transcendent God, the source of all being and meaning, and He exists in three Persons, each of whom participated in the work of creation.
The Bible, consisting of the thirty-nine canonical books of the Old Testament and the twenty-seven canonical books of the New Testament, is the divinely-inspired revelation of the Creator to man. Its unique, plenary, verbal inspiration guarantees that these writings, as originally and miraculously given, are infallible and completely authoritative on all matters with which they deal, free from error of any sort, scientific and historical as well as moral and theological.
All things in the universe were created and made by God in the six literal days of the Creation Week described in Genesis 1:1-2:3, and confirmed in Exodus 20:8-11. The creation record is factual, historical, and perspicuous; thus all theories of origins or development that involve evolution in any form are false. All things that now exist are sustained and ordered by God's providential care. However, a part of the spiritual creation, Satan and his angels, rebelled against God after the creation and are attempting to thwart His divine purposes in creation.
The first human beings, Adam and Eve, were specially created by God, and all other men and women are their descendants. In Adam, mankind was instructed to exercise "dominion" over all other created organisms, and over the earth itself (an implicit commission for true science, technology, commerce, fine art, and education), but the temptation by Satan and the entrance of sin brought God's curse on that dominion and on mankind, culminating in death and separation from God as the natural and proper consequence.
The biblical record of primeval earth history in Genesis 1-11 is fully historical and perspicuous, including the creation and Fall of man, the Curse on the Creation and its subjection to the bondage of decay, the promised Redeemer, the worldwide cataclysmic deluge in the days of Noah, the post-diluvian renewal of man's commission to subdue the earth (now augmented by the institution of human government), and the origin of nations and languages at the tower of Babel.
The alienation of man from his Creator because of sin can only be remedied by the Creator Himself, who became man in the person of the Lord Jesus Christ, through miraculous conception and virgin birth. In Christ were indissolubly united perfect sinless humanity and full deity, so that His substitutionary death is the only necessary and sufficient price of man's redemption. That the redemption was completely efficacious is assured by His bodily resurrection from the dead and ascension into heaven; the resurrection of Christ is thus the focal point of history, assuring the consummation of God's purposes in creation.
The final restoration of creation's perfection is yet future, but individuals can immediately be restored to fellowship with their Creator on the basis of His redemptive work on their behalf, receiving forgiveness and eternal life solely through personal trust in the Lord Jesus Christ, accepting Him not only as estranged Creator, but also as reconciling Redeemer and coming King. Those who reject Him, however, or who neglect to believe on Him, thereby continue in their state of rebellion and must ultimately be consigned to the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
The eventual accomplishment of God's eternal purposes in creation, with the removal of His curse and the restoration of all things to divine perfection, will take place at the personal bodily return to earth of Jesus Christ to judge and purge sin and to establish His eternal kingdom.
Each believer should participate in the "ministry of reconciliation" by seeking both to bring individuals back to God in Christ (the "Great Commission") and to "subdue the earth" for God's glory (the Edenic-Noahic Commission). The three institutions established by the Creator for the implementation of His purposes in this world (home, government, church) should be honored and supported as such.

Who We Are

After more than four decades of ministry, the Institute for Creation Research remains a leader in scientific research within the context of biblical creation. Founded by Dr. Henry Morris in 1970, ICR exists to conduct scientific research within the realms of origins and Earth history, and then to educate the public both formally and informally through graduate and professional training programs, through conferences and seminars around the country, and through books, magazines, and media presentations.

ICR was established for three main purposes:

Research. As a research organization, ICR conducts laboratory, field, theoretical, and library research on projects that seek to understand the science of origins and Earth history. ICR scientists have conducted multi-year research projects at key locations such as Grand Canyon, Mount St. Helens, Yosemite Valley, and Santa Cruz River Valley in Argentina, and on vital issues like Radioisotopes and the Age of the Earth (RATE), Flood-activated Sedimentation and Tectonics (FAST), and other topics related to geology, genetics, astro/geophysics, paleoclimatology, and much more.

Education. As an educational institution, ICR offers formal courses of instruction, conducts seminars and workshops, and presents lectures, as well as other means of instruction. With 30 years experience in graduate education, first through our California-based science education program (1981-2010), and now through the degree programs at the School of Biblical Apologetics, ICR trains men and women to do real-world apologetics with a foundation of biblical authority and creation science. ICR also offers a one-year, non-degree training program for professionals called the Creationist Worldview. Additionally, ICR scientists and staff speak to numerous groups each year through seminars and conferences.

Communication. ICR produces and/or publishes books, films, periodicals, and other media for communicating the evidence and information related to its research and education to its constituents and to the public in general. ICR’s central publication is Acts & Facts, a full-color monthly magazine with a readership of over 200,000, providing articles relevant to science, apologetics, education, and worldview issues. ICR also publishes the daily devotional Days of Praise with over 300,000 readers worldwide. Additionally, the scientists and staff at ICR publish various books and videos on medicine, history, apologetics, theology, and science. The three radio programs produced by ICR can be heard on outlets around the world.

Today, situated on its Dallas campus, the Institute for Creation Research continues to expand its work and influence in each of these three areas of ministry, endeavoring to impact the lives and ministries of pastors, teachers, students, and families with the wonders of God’s creation.

ICR’s Approach to Scientific Investigation
The Institute for Creation Research is unique among scientific research organizations. Our research is conducted within a biblical worldview, since ICR is committed to the absolute authority of the inerrant Word of God. The real facts of science will always agree with biblical revelation because the God who made the world of God inspired the Word of God.

All origins research must begin with a premise.1 ICR holds that the biblical record of primeval history in Genesis 1–11 is factual, historical, and clearly understandable and, therefore, that all things were created and made in six literal days. Life exists because it was created on Earth by a living Creator. Further, the biblical Flood was global and cataclysmic, and its after-effects therefore explain most of the stratigraphic and fossil evidence found in the earth’s crust. It is within this framework that ICR research is conducted.

ICR is also committed to peer review. Such a commitment means that we subject our scientific conclusions to others within related scientific disciplines and invite their feedback and critiques, since “iron sharpens iron” in the pursuit of scientific excellence (Proverbs 27:17). ICR encourages scholarship, investigation, and careful scrutiny of origins concepts.

Since scientific evidence is open to interpretation, more than one explanation may be advanced for a particular event or situation. It is expected in the scientific community, secular or otherwise, that a given hypothesis may attract dissenting views. In this case, a scientist who disagrees with another scientist’s work will frequently publish his or her views in the relevant technical journals. The research will continue regardless, and the truth of science supporting Scripture will not be hindered in the least.

ICR’s goal is to comprehend and communicate as accurately as possible the ways in which our great Creator built and sustains the world. He is the source of life, purpose, and all things that exist. It is to God we give the glory because He is our Creator and Savior.

All this was hiding in plain sight!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #33)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 04:43 AM

35. What is scientific about that?

They already have their conclusion.
Now they use real science to try to prove it because they don't have and never will have any evidence for any of that nonsense.
God is the creator. End of discussion.
If science has evidence that our conclusion is wrong we just say the science is wrong.
That's not science or research it's just blind faith masquerading as science. Which is bullshit. All the way.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #35)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 06:48 AM

36. YOu asked for t heir statement of faith- I gave it!

They have enormous evidence- you just keep making excuses to not look at it!

They act just like evolutionists. They have already reached their conclusion (evolution did it) Both sides are now researching how it happened according to each's creator

For a christian it is God, for an evolutionist it is blind random purposeless chance.

If creationists have evidence that a prior conclusion is wrong- it is published.

Evolutionists will never abandon evolution We Christians can never deny our Savior!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #36)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 07:53 AM

37. There is far more evidence for evolution.

There is none for young earth creationism.
There is none for god either.
None.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #37)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 05:04 PM

38. Well as you close your eyes when given the chance to look

you can remian pure in y9our deception!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #38)

Fri Mar 23, 2018, 04:54 AM

39. Oh I've looked.

So have millions of other people.
Including religious scientists and nobody can find evidence of anything the bible says.
From genesis, the food, the exodus, Jesus. . Nothing.
No evidence the sun can stop in the sky.
It's impossible. People didn't even know the earth orbited the sun, so it made sense to goat herders that the sun could stop since it was the one moving.
No evidence for any of the ridiculous claims of the bible.
Man living in a fish.. lmao..
Oh.
The crucifixion, resurrection. . No evidence other than that book that has been shown to be so full of errors that star wars is actually more possible than the bible in reality.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #39)

Fri Mar 23, 2018, 06:37 AM

41. Well given how you supposedly look on these threads

You probably just looked at sites that simply reject the bible. Who say that the evidence is not evidence.

ME archeology relies heavily on the bible !

When one understands what it takes to make a fossil and then see the billions of fossils and how they are found- one can't concluse either neo-catastrophism (for the unbeliever) or a global flood.

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Response to nolidad (Reply #36)

Fri Mar 23, 2018, 04:59 AM

40. Tons of evidence backs up evolution.

None backs up creation.
None.
At all.
Zilch, nada, sweet fuck all.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #40)

Fri Mar 23, 2018, 06:38 AM

42. Well I have asked you fro very few of these "tons"

and you seem incapable of producing it!

So I will ask more generically-- present one piece of validated empirical proof of one animal changing order or family or genre!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #42)

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 07:54 AM

43. What's a genre of animal?

Is that a typo for genus?
Even though you've said it a few times.
You have yet to define what a genre of animals is and what a kind of animal is.
There is no 'kind'of animal, that's why you refuse to.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Original post)

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 08:41 AM

44. Bronze Age Mythological Idiocy

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