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Wed Jun 6, 2018, 09:10 AM

Judge Orders EPA to Produce Science behind Pruitts Warming Claims

EPA must produce the opposing body of science Administrator Scott Pruitt has
relied upon to claim that humans are not the primary drivers of global warming,
a federal judge has ruled.

The EPA boss has so far resisted attempts to show the science backing up his
claims. His critics say such evidence doesn’t exist, even as Pruitt has called for
greater science transparency at the agency.

Now, a court case may compel him to produce research that attempts to contradict
the mountain of peer-reviewed studies collected by the world’s top science agencies
over decades that show humans are warming the planet at an unprecedented pace
through the burning of fossil fuels.

Not long after he took over as EPA administrator, Pruitt appeared on CNBC’s “Squawk Box,”
where he was asked about carbon dioxide and climate change. He said, “I would not agree
that it’s a primary contributor to the global warming that we see.”

The next day, Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility, or PEER,
filed a Freedom of Information Act request seeking the studies Pruitt used to make his
claims. Specifically, the group requested “EPA documents that support the conclusion
that human activity is not the largest factor driving global climate change.”

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/judge-orders-epa-to-produce-science-behind-pruitts-warming-claims/?sf191107676=1

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Reply Judge Orders EPA to Produce Science behind Pruitts Warming Claims (Original post)
Micrometer Jun 2018 OP
quad489 Jun 2018 #1
Cold Warrior Jun 2018 #3
quad489 Jun 2018 #4
Cold Warrior Jun 2018 #5
quad489 Jun 2018 #6
oflguy Jun 2018 #10
Cold Warrior Jun 2018 #14
oflguy Jun 2018 #22
Cold Warrior Jun 2018 #24
oflguy Jun 2018 #26
Cold Warrior Jun 2018 #29
oflguy Jun 2018 #31
New Deal Democrat Jun 2018 #2
DDKick Jun 2018 #7
oflguy Jun 2018 #8
Micrometer Jun 2018 #9
oflguy Jun 2018 #11
Micrometer Jun 2018 #12
oflguy Jun 2018 #13
Micrometer Jun 2018 #15
oflguy Jun 2018 #20
Cold Warrior Jun 2018 #25
oflguy Jun 2018 #28
Cold Warrior Jun 2018 #32
oflguy Jun 2018 #33
Cold Warrior Jun 2018 #34
oflguy Jun 2018 #35
Cold Warrior Jun 2018 #36
oflguy Jun 2018 #37
Cold Warrior Jun 2018 #38
oflguy Jun 2018 #39
oflguy Jun 2018 #23
Micrometer Jun 2018 #30
oflguy Jun 2018 #42
Micrometer Jun 2018 #45
BSBuzzSaw Jun 2018 #18
safestuffer Jun 2018 #19
BSBuzzSaw Jun 2018 #40
oflguy Jun 2018 #43
BSBuzzSaw Jun 2018 #53
oflguy Jun 2018 #64
BSBuzzSaw Jun 2018 #66
Micrometer Jun 2018 #41
oflguy Jun 2018 #44
Micrometer Jun 2018 #46
oflguy Jun 2018 #47
Micrometer Jun 2018 #48
oflguy Jun 2018 #49
Micrometer Jun 2018 #50
oflguy Jun 2018 #51
Micrometer Jun 2018 #52
BSBuzzSaw Jun 2018 #54
oflguy Jun 2018 #55
BSBuzzSaw Jun 2018 #56
TheShoe Jun 2018 #57
TexMexNext Jun 2018 #58
uncledad Jun 2018 #59
BSBuzzSaw Jun 2018 #62
uncledad Jun 2018 #63
Will Morningstar Jun 2018 #60
BSBuzzSaw Jun 2018 #67
Will Morningstar Jun 2018 #68
BSBuzzSaw Jun 2018 #16
Micrometer Jun 2018 #17
oflguy Jun 2018 #21
Cold Warrior Jun 2018 #27
Nephrite Jun 2018 #61
TM999 Jun 2018 #65

Response to Micrometer (Original post)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 09:26 AM

1. Cool, can't wait to see this proof. Also can't wait to see the proof that humans ARE the ''primary..

..contributor'' to global warming...especially since the Earth has numerous evidences of global warming (& cooling) events that happened long before humans ever first farted on this planet.

Also would love to see the PROOF that the world following every part of the Paris accords will stop the Earth from warming more than 2C in the next 100 yrs.............

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Response to quad489 (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 09:31 AM

3. You mean more than 6000 years ago! Wow.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 09:33 AM

4. Uh, the Earth is over 4.5 billion years old, moron.......

"3. You mean more than 6000 years ago! Wow."

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Response to quad489 (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 09:44 AM

5. But we were discussing the age of humans, not the earth.

But you obviously knew that as only a moron wouldn’t and I would certainly never call you a moron.

But the bigger problem is that means there are people on this very site who are lying about it. Oh my.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 09:53 AM

6. Where did I limit my discussion to ''the age of humans''??? How did you miss...

''But we were discussing the age of humans, not the earth."

...reading this part of my discussion: "....especially since the Earth has numerous evidences of global warming (& cooling) events that happened long before humans ever first farted on this planet..."

Sure reads to me that I was discussing events on this planet that happened before humans were here.

And yes, there are many liars on this site and I really don't think you want to go there................

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 10:14 AM

10. Yet, you are too sacred to watch a single video I have posted or read a single link

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Response to oflguy (Reply #10)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 10:30 AM

14. Yep, I'm so scared I've locked myself away and haven't seen the light of day in weeks

You’ve demonstrated your style of drawn out, time wasting, incremental gotcha discussion. Life is too short to waste on that crap. I’ll leave you with Loudmouth Crowder and DR. (DR. do you hear) Roy (Ray?) Spencer. You’ll be happier that way.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #14)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 11:13 AM

22. Can I help it you can't answer any of my questions?

The reason our discussions are "drawn out, time wasting"

Is you can't answer any of my questions. You people don't like to be asked questions.

You are quick to condemn my integrity, but when I try to engage in a civil debate over the topic, you bow out as soon as I ask you a scientific question.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #22)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 11:33 AM

24. Nope, you like to draw the discussion out nice and cute

Did that with you once when we went through your “directed” quiz responding to leading, incremental questions until I got bored. Not interested in playing silly games. If you have something to say in the future, say it.

You’re actually the first of two. Recently I discovered a poster who argument consists of “no it doesn’t,” who, when asked for evidence just says “no.” That technique has garnered that poster 16,000 posts in 16 months. I simply don’t have time for either of you.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #24)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 11:35 AM

26. You didn't get bored

You just could not answer a single one of my questions

Your attacks on my integrity did not come out of boredom

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Response to oflguy (Reply #26)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 11:38 AM

29. Well, one thing that can be said about you is

that you have an excellent imagination.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #29)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 11:46 AM

31. There goes another one

Its all you have

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Response to Micrometer (Original post)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 09:26 AM

2. This will be good.

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Response to Micrometer (Original post)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 09:55 AM

7. It is funny how the alarmists do not question anything when it comes to

someone saying anything that supports their religious beliefs. Yet they refuse to consider anything other than a man being at fault. Typical guilt from an insecure group of people.

Hundreds of years ago the consensus was that the world was flat, it was peer-reviewed and deniers were mocked just like they are today. The cult of global warming has to silence any critics or their story falls apart because they can't prove what if anything is causing their doom and gloom prediction.

We know this because people like ALGORE got rich scamming people for carbon credits. We also know the early attempts were for taxes and laws to control behavior not save anything. They have zero credibility because of the false predictions ALGORE made and the debunked claims in cash cow movie.

They have to keep pretending the world is ending or people will realize they fell for ALGORES scam and would be embarrassed since they are supposed to be the smartest people in the room.

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Response to Micrometer (Original post)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 10:09 AM

8. Impossible to prove a negative

The proof is on the person making the claim that global warming is caused by man, and that cannot be proved one way or the other.

The judge must be a global warmer.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 10:11 AM

9. The EPA boss has so far resisted attempts to show the science backing up his claims.

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Response to Micrometer (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 10:16 AM

11. What kind of judge would conduct such a "trial?"

He must be a member of the religious cult of Global Warming.

So, the "Judge" is going to determine who is right?

RIGHT

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Response to oflguy (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 10:25 AM

12. Why?

Why has the EPA boss has so far resisted attempts to show the science backing up his claims?

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Response to Micrometer (Reply #12)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 10:28 AM

13. Because the whole thing is nothing more than an exercise in mental masturbation

any competent judge knows you can't prove a negative and would have thrown it out immediately.

Perhaps the EPA Chief should file a similar suit to make the global warmers PROVE any warming is man-made?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #13)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 10:45 AM

15. EPA must produce the opposing body of science Administrator Scott Pruitt has relied

EPA must produce the opposing body of science Administrator Scott Pruitt has
relied upon to claim that humans are not the primary drivers of global warming,
a federal judge has ruled.

Scott Pruitt has claimed to have science that shows humans are not the primary drivers of global warming.

He should produce the data.

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Response to Micrometer (Reply #15)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 11:11 AM

20. No, you are wrong

He said he does not believe humans are the prime drivers of global warming.

That is all he needs to say at a "trial."

Maybe you are right. He is not entitled to have an opinion.

Let me ask you, what do you think is the most compelling evidence that proves humans are causing any so-called global warming?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #20)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 11:34 AM

25. Playing your question game again, I see

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #25)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 11:36 AM

28. Yeah, how DARE that I should ask a question

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Response to oflguy (Reply #28)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 11:57 AM

32. Yep, and if the poster is silly enough to respond

You will respond with another question, and another, and so on until you see the opportunity. And you will have contributed no actual content to the discussion until your imaginary gotcha.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #32)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 12:07 PM

33. We know one thing for sure

Asking you a question is useless

Questioning a liberal is like that

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Response to oflguy (Reply #33)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 12:14 PM

34. Brilliant!

“Nyah, nyah, nah, you’re a liberal.” You win. I just can’t match your unsurpassed logic and intricate debating style.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #34)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 12:28 PM

35. I know

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Response to oflguy (Reply #35)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 12:32 PM

36. See, I was correct

You have a wonderful imagination.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #36)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 12:34 PM

37. I do

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Response to oflguy (Reply #37)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 01:30 PM

38. I absolutely know. That's why I voted for you.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #38)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 01:32 PM

39. thanks

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Response to Micrometer (Reply #15)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 11:15 AM

23. "EPA must produce the opposing body of science Administrator Scott Pruitt has relied upon"

Or what?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #23)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 11:39 AM

30. It is simple.

Scott Pruitt is making public policy based on 'science', yet will not
show that 'science' to the public.

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Response to Micrometer (Reply #30)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 05:53 PM

42. Why do you say man is causing global warming?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #42)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 06:15 PM

45. I did not say that.

Scott Pruitt says he has 'science' he has
relied upon to claim that humans are not the primary drivers of global warming.

I'd like to see that science.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #13)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 10:49 AM

18. We already have such proof.

Just because deniers can't understand it, doesn't mean it's not proof.

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Response to BSBuzzSaw (Reply #18)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 11:10 AM

19. Link us to that study, please.

The one that proves
1. Anthropomorphic climate change is the dominant form of climate change

2. What portion of climate change is anthropomorphic and what portion is cyclical

We will start there

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Response to safestuffer (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 05:17 PM

40. I've already done this with you people. Literally dozens of times.

But you can't learn, and you don't understand the information.

Then you claim that it's 'paid for' by some insidious global conspiracy that you have ZERO evidence of beyond the bullshit you're fed.

You don't care about the actual proof because it's not simple enough for you to grasp. So HOW do I know you won't behave EXACTLY as I've explained should I actually provide you with the full explanations with links to the studies?

Why should I waste my time on someone who CAN'T LEARN what they are told?

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Response to BSBuzzSaw (Reply #40)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 05:54 PM

43. Standard answer of Liberals

Just TRUST me

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Response to oflguy (Reply #43)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 10:04 PM

53. Never said that.

What I said is above. Read it until you understand it, then give an answer that convinces me I'm not wasting my time on just another know-nothing learn-nothing.

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Response to BSBuzzSaw (Reply #53)

Mon Jun 11, 2018, 07:18 PM

64. In other words

JUST TRUST ME

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Response to oflguy (Reply #64)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 08:51 PM

66. No...

"Trust me NOT to waste my time on someone who can't learn shit."

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Response to safestuffer (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 05:23 PM

41. I agree.

Pruitt should show evidence to support his claim.


Judge Orders EPA to Produce Science behind Pruitts Warming Claims
EPA must produce the opposing body of science Administrator Scott Pruitt has
relied upon to claim that humans are not the primary drivers of global warming,
a federal judge has ruled.

The EPA boss has so far resisted attempts to show the science backing up his
claims. His critics say such evidence doesn’t exist, even as Pruitt has called for
greater science transparency at the agency.

Now, a court case may compel him to produce research that attempts to contradict
the mountain of peer-reviewed studies collected by the world’s top science agencies
over decades that show humans are warming the planet at an unprecedented pace
through the burning of fossil fuels.

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Response to Micrometer (Reply #41)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 05:55 PM

44. You can't prove a negative

Any semi-intelligent person knows that

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Response to oflguy (Reply #44)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 06:17 PM

46. Pruitt claims to have science that proves that negative.

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Response to Micrometer (Reply #46)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 08:06 PM

47. When did he claim that?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #47)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 08:27 PM

48. Ok

“Pruitt has gone on a campaign about secret science,”
Gerrard said. “Where is his own secret science that refutes
findings anthropogenic greenhouses gas are a major problem?
Let’s see your cards, Scott.”

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Response to Micrometer (Reply #48)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 08:34 PM

49. What the hell was that?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #49)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 08:37 PM

50. 9 March 2017

But now that Pruitt’s all settled in at the EPA, he’s getting a little less shy. In a CNBC interview on Thursday morning, Pruitt explicitly said that carbon dioxide doesn’t cause global warming. “I think that measuring with precision human activity on the climate is something very challenging to do and there’s tremendous disagreement about the degree of impact,” Pruitt said. “So no, I would not agree that it’s a primary contributor to the global warming that we see.”

9 March 2017

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/09/epa-chief-scott-pruitt.html

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Response to Micrometer (Reply #50)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 08:39 PM

51. He is absolutely right

Throughout history, increases in CO2 have lagged behind warming, obviously not causing it.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #51)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 08:46 PM

52. Oh my!

EPA chief Scott Pruitt says carbon dioxide is not a primary contributor to global warming


The statement contradicts the public stance of the agency Pruitt leads. The EPA's webpage
on the causes of climate change states, "Carbon dioxide is the primary greenhouse gas that
is contributing to recent climate change."

Pruitt's view is also at odds with the conclusion of NASA and the
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #51)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 10:06 PM

54. You're right... Warming has always preceded CO2 increases....

Until now.

If that's not enough to break you out of your brainwashing, nothing is.

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Response to BSBuzzSaw (Reply #54)

Thu Jun 7, 2018, 08:07 AM

55. "Until now"

Its not warming now

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Response to oflguy (Reply #55)

Thu Jun 7, 2018, 08:47 PM

56. Nope, there's no getting through a head that thick.

Global temps have been going nothing but up. Your programmers tell you that because 'it was cold somewhere', then it must not be true.

Sorry, but your scientific illiteracy doesn't change the reality we have painstakingly ascertained. You don't even know what 'painstakingly ascertained' means.... because you weren't there.

I listen to the people that were there, saw it, and lived it. Not the bullshit the energy industry pumps out to morons.

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Response to BSBuzzSaw (Reply #56)

Thu Jun 7, 2018, 09:34 PM

57. Alerted in bad faith.

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Response to BSBuzzSaw (Reply #56)

Thu Jun 7, 2018, 09:41 PM

58. One of those morons alerted

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Response to BSBuzzSaw (Reply #56)

Thu Jun 7, 2018, 09:44 PM

59. Voted to leave.

One more bad faith alert.

#sad

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Response to uncledad (Reply #59)

Sun Jun 10, 2018, 05:09 PM

62. They alert on everything they don't like.

They've gamed the system to turn this place into a conservative cesspool.

A non-conservative can't get away with saying someone is a 'fool'.
But conservatives can post pornography and call someone an 'idiot'.

They're the most hypocritical, hyper-sensitive snowflakes. But, as masters of projection, they're convinced their 'enemies' behave just as they do... while pretending they aren't whiny little children.

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Response to BSBuzzSaw (Reply #62)

Mon Jun 11, 2018, 09:18 AM

63. Don't take the bait.

Di isn't a free for all blog, split right left and independent. There's a sock troll count of 3 to 1 on any given day.

There are filters anyone here can apply, ignore list, jury list, trash tread and simply lurking without responding.

I'll repeat myself, don't take the bait. Lower your expectations. Trolls come here to troll.

It's really your choice.

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Response to BSBuzzSaw (Reply #56)

Thu Jun 7, 2018, 09:57 PM

60. *****ALERTED***** "Personal Attack" VOTED MALICIOUS BADFAITH ALERT WITH INTENT TO DISRUPT.

 

You're right at the top of the target list, BSBuzzSaw. Take care to preserve your rights and DI Membership. Somebody's trying to take it away from you. They fear that others may hear your words and be convinced by your ideas...

...so they think it's okay to gang up on you and kill your ideas by killing your account.

Never respond in kind. Always praise your attacker. Call them Great Americans if you must. This is unalertable.

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Response to Will Morningstar (Reply #60)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 08:54 PM

67. Of course.



是的,老师

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Response to BSBuzzSaw (Reply #67)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 09:11 PM

68. Doidge. (n/t)

 

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Response to Micrometer (Original post)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 10:46 AM

16. They might have well asked him to produce an invisible pink unicorn.

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Response to BSBuzzSaw (Reply #16)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 10:47 AM

17. He should not claim to have an invisible pink unicorn.

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Response to BSBuzzSaw (Reply #16)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 11:12 AM

21. As well as the global warmers

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Response to BSBuzzSaw (Reply #16)

Wed Jun 6, 2018, 11:36 AM

27. Damn, he's a Creationist as well!

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Response to Micrometer (Original post)

Fri Jun 8, 2018, 05:02 AM

61. Pointless, we all died when acid rain

killed all the tree and fish back in '82

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Response to Nephrite (Reply #61)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 05:44 AM

65. I thought we all froze to death

in the coming Ice Age predicted in the early 1970's?

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