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Mon Jul 16, 2018, 04:00 PM

Best of 2017: Fleshy Fossils


BY BRIAN THOMAS, M.S. * | THURSDAY, DECEMBER 28, 2017

The Institute for Creation Research has monitored the steady flow of fresh-looking fossils for over a decade. The year 2017 was impressive with its discoveries of biochemical variety that includes proteins, pigments, and even a pineal gland. Each such discovery presents a real challenge to the millions-of-years age assignments for these fossils, since best-case scenarios predict that biochemicals fizzle out in less than one million years.

ICR’s Creation Science Update highlighted these 2017 discoveries of fresh-looking fossils:

• The University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee researchers recovered amino acids—protein’s chemical building blocks—from preserved cells of a fossilized once-tropical tree from an Antarctic rock deemed 280 million years old. How can these amino acids still be intact?1

• Gerald Mayr from the Senckenberg Research Institute announced this year the discovery of the world’s oldest lipid. Germany’s Messel Shale, regarded as 48 million years old, harbored an ancient bird’s oil-filled preening gland. And the gland had some of the original oil still in it, not shale.2

• An international team described in the journal Scientific Reports fresh-looking pigments darkening the crusty skin of a fossil turtle.2 Nobody has explained what could possibly have kept bacteria from consuming the carbon-rich pigment for 54 million supposed years.

• German and American scientists described turquoise-colored Cretaceous egg pigments from Chinese oviraptor fossils.3

• Chinese researchers clearly photographed the insides of original bird bone that evolutionists insist was buried 120 million years ago. It had delicate internal canals and fine layers instead of the expected mud-borne minerals inside. Given Earth’s relentless degrading processes, including incessant water movement underground, who would expect a buried bone to persist for even a tenth of that imagined time?

• News outlets hailed a fabulous 2017 fossil the world’s best-preserved dinosaur. Later analyses revealed original pigments still inside its naturally mummified scaly skin.4 Such fresh features don’t fit its 112-125 million-year age assignment.

• Sweden’s Lund University reported fresh waxy cuticles coating supposedly 200-million year-old ginkgo leaves. Low-impact scanning techniques stunned scientists who did not expect them to be “full of organic molecules.”5

Finally, famed amber researcher George Poinar described mammalian blood cells still intact inside a tick trapped in Dominican amber. Amber has no magical preservation properties that would suspend the standard laws of chemical decay for millions of years.6

One more report confirmed collagen protein sequence from a supposedly 80-million-year-old Hadrosaur femur excavated in Montana. Published in the prestigious Journal of Proteome Research, the results again revealed the presence of hydroxyproline, an amino acid unique to collagen.7 Some fossil experts who still disbelieve fossil proteins attribute the discoveries to modern bacteria. But bacteria can’t make hydroxyproline—or collagen for that matter.

The story that fossils are too old to still have short-lived chemicals crumbles under the weight of so many fine discoveries. We predict 2018 will add more discoveries to the long list of biochemicals that can’t be millions of years old.

References

Clarey, T. Fossil Trees in Antarctica Preserve Ancient Proteins. Creation Science Update. Posted on ICR.org December 11, 2017, accessed December 15, 2017.
Thomas, B. Ancient Animal Biochemicals Again. Creation Science Update. Posted on ICR.org December 7, 2017, accessed December 15, 2017.
Wiemann, J. et al. Dinosaur origin of egg color: oviraptors laid blue-green eggs. PeerJ. 5:e3706. See also ICR’s original announcement of this fossil: Thomas, B. Colorful Dinosaur Eggs Challenge Deep Time. Creation Science Update. Posted on ICR.org June 11, 2015, accessed December 15, 2017
Thomas, B. Spectacular Dinosaur Has Skin, Horn, Pigments. Creation Science Update. Posted on ICR.org August 28, 2017, accessed December 15, 2017.
See references in Thomas, B. Fossil Plants Contain Original Molecules. Creation Science Update. Posted on ICR.org August 3, 2017, accessed December 15, 2017.
Thomas, B. 2010. Amber Jewelry: A Conversation Piece for Creation Evidence. Acts & Facts. 39 (9): 17.
Schroeter, E.R. et al. 2017. Expansion for the Brachylophosaurus canadensis Collagen I Sequence and Additional Evidence of the Preservation of Cretaceous Protein. Journal of Proteome Research. 16 (2): 920-932.
*Brian Thomas is Science Writer at the Institute for Creation Research and earned his M.S. in biotechnology from Stephen F. Austin State University.

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Response to nolidad (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 07:52 PM

1. I can't wait until they get DNA and match dinosaurs to birds.

Oh, what a glorious day it will be.
It's only a matter of time.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 03:08 PM

2. any day now!!!!



But asd you can't see the forest for teh trees let me spell it for you!

hemoglobin, collagen, skin pigments and the many other cells still existing simply cannot exist and survive for 65- 500 million years!
Evolutionists have no methodology- no theory and no science to counteract all the empirical data that has been accumulated for over a century!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 04:37 PM

3. Yup.

They didn't think they could find what they already did. Now they know how to look and what to look for.
Only a matter of time.
Only loons at ICR think finding these things proves something on their side.
It's hilarious.
Can't wait for the direct link.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #3)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 05:12 PM

4. Well finding these fragile organics condemns millions of years!!!

And please don't say it is true because we found them in a 65 million year old fossil! That is circular reasoning and begging the question.

We have no empirical research or evidence to support even a hypothesis that hemoglobin, collagen etc. can survive 65-500 million years!

But a serious question for you:
What hypotheses do you propose would help cement the relationship of theropods to birds? What kind of evidence do you think theyt will find???

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Response to nolidad (Reply #4)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 09:05 AM

5. They already have enough evidence.

Enough to convince most people that understand the science.
They need a good DNA sample to prove it to other people. Some people will never accept it no matter what evidence they find.
People like the loons will never accept it. They clearly state they will not accept evidence that goes against the biblical version of anything.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #5)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 05:48 PM

6. Fossils are circumstantial!

Many have been posed to look like a transitional.

Then there are the outright frauds

like the horse transiotn, the whale transition, fish to land transition, I could go on and on!

Heck even the "fact" of theropod to bird doesn't even have a transition with feathers until long after birds appear in the fossil record!!!

And secular evolutionists will never accept any evidence that goes against their beliefs.

These "scientists" have even been busy kicking professors out of teaching positions because they are YEC or ID believers!!! And then dared suggest, not teach as fact but suggest that they may be alternative avenues of study! So that is a door that swings both ways!

But when evidence is qualified with such empirical phrases as : might, could be, may have, suggests, sorry that is not rock-em sock-em evidence!

See what you are afraid to admit is that the BBT and TOE are both outside the realm of true science and are objects of belief with some evidence that lends credence to it! I am not afraid to admit it but you are.

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Response to nolidad (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 20, 2018, 04:18 AM

7. Lmao..

Must suck being reduced to 5 or 6 talking points that you have to keep bringing up over and over again.
Where I could make a thousand different posts and not have to repeat myself because of the overwhelming evidence.
Your evidence is not evidence.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #7)

Sat Jul 21, 2018, 07:35 AM

8. Well it would be nice if you brought a few points up,

from your supposed thousands, but you seem incapable.

Why shouldn't I keep repeating the truth! You cannot rebut them with anything approaching science, and given that they are key to the whole hypotheses of evolution, it is important to keep reminding you!

REmember fossils only show a creature existed! It does not show anything else. We have no intermediary links showing fins to feet, scales to feathers, limbs to wings, quadraped to biped!

If there was- in your hatred of YEC "loons" you would have brought them forth long time ago!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #8)

Sat Jul 21, 2018, 08:08 AM

9. Fossils show a lot more than that.

The fact you think that's all fossils are good for shows you have no idea how rich the fossil record is.

All those things that you mentioned exist.
ICR won't tell you about them because they are dishonest assholes that want your money so they can continue to lie to you. There is no truth in what you say.
Pointing out a couple of unknowns isn't evidence of anything.
You have no evidence for your beliefs. All you can do is point out where other are lacking evidence here and there and claim it is evidence. It isn't. It's lies.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #9)

Sat Jul 21, 2018, 10:27 AM

10. Well here are the facts of fossils.

Of the billions of fossils known approxs. 96% are marine fossils.

of the remaining 4% less than 5% of that 4% are primates.

Of the remaining less than 5% of the 4% less than 5% are fossils of homo or man.

And if you bothered to read research from ICR instead of just dumbly blathering the propaganda you hear, you would know they know of the numerous fossils, and then besides their own expert analysis they also cite evolutionist analysis to show why your indoctrination into the evolution religion has many false assumptions.

There is no truth in what you say! (See I can type that as well!)

I have pointed out dozens of unknowns that are critical points for evolution to go beyond mere hypothesis.

I have shown you much evidence for YEC but you are to busy hating the "loons" to bother to research their research.

I still await scales to feathers. That is a declared fact! Facts are determined by solid evidence- so I await your showing the evidence to shut me up and make me look foolish ans well as my ICR "loons".

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Response to nolidad (Reply #10)

Sat Jul 21, 2018, 11:22 AM

11. There is no evidence that will "shut you up".

That is plain as day. Even if they show everything you want to see, you'll find something else. That's what creationists do. They asked for Lucy, they got Lucy, they reject Lucy. They asked for feathered dinosaurs, they got feathered dinosaurs, they reject feathered dinosaurs. There will always be something in between for them to say has to be found. Always. They are fucking liars.
Fossils ordered in the geologic column. Without exception. Prediticions made that fossils should be found in certain strata and they find them. They know where intermediates will be, finding them is a different story, but when they do it all lines up, just like they predict. It's all three for you to see. You refuse to. You'd rather believe the goddamned loons.

You boast having a higher IQ than Albert Einstein, which is fucking hilarious. Your complete and utter inability to understand basic scientific concepts and terminology is hilarious in light of that "fact".

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #11)

Mon Jul 23, 2018, 05:28 PM

12. There is plenty that could shut me up!

But not the opinion of biased indoctrinated scientists who look at old bones and reconstruct whole cultures of animals!

Who use fatally flawed dating methods

Who have to date been unable to show via the scientific method any validity of the hypothesis of Evolution by mutation and natural selection.

You write: " Predictions made that fossils should be found in certain strata and they find them. They know where intermediates will be, finding them is a different story, but when they do it all lines up, just like they predict."

Creationists made the same predictions based on the destruction of ecospheres due to a global flood.

But your problem still remains--the "missing links" are still missing!

We have no evidence --0- nada-zip -zilch for transitions for fins to feet, limbs to wings, gills to lungs, even pithecus to homo! The fossil record clearly shows apes- then men- but no "intermediaries" We are close physiologically, but the differences in the partial fossils we have still show apes as apes and men as men!

Even the naledi caves show how fragile the flimsy foundation of mans evolution was! We found four remains of supposed transitions (at least they were declared transitions for decades) supposedly separated by almost 1 million years-all contemporaneous with each other!

Then of course we have that supposed rock solid radiometric dating that established the age of the cave as c. 35,000-to 800,000 years depending on which isotope was tested in the minierals in the cave!

YOu : "You boast having a higher IQ than Albert Einstein, which is fucking hilarious. Your complete and utter inability to understand basic scientific concepts and terminology is hilarious in light of that "fact""

Well not using the terms every day in a vocation- yes I can get real rusty with the language. But hey I got an idea! You are so smart- let me quiz you on postal terminology and let us see how smart you look!

You : "You refuse to. You'd rather believe the goddamned loons." No I look hard at the fossil record and dating methods and have done serious study of genetics and mutations! I have also looked at secularist opposing views and have seen the fraud and forgery perpetrated by evolutionists See anyone can pose a fossil or make it up to look anyway they want! Doesn't make it real, just posed to show their bias!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #12)

Mon Jul 23, 2018, 08:09 PM

13. You haven't done any of that.

If you did look hard you obviously didn't grasp what you were reading.
You clearly only look for something to bolster your beliefs. Then turn around and accuse everyone else of doing the same, when that is clearly not the fucking case.

Postal terminology has fuck all to do with evolution, other than we evolved to be able to deliver mail.
If I had a 162 IQ, I could read through your postal terminology and pass a test the next day, fuck I could probably do it anyway.
You have spent years studying this, according to you, with a 162 IQ and haven't learned a fucking thing about any of it.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #13)

Wed Jul 25, 2018, 12:20 PM

14. Well you can think what you want!

But pretending to know what I think only makes you look foolish.

With you anyone who dares dissent from your preconceived conclusions are loons. So be it!

You: "You have spent years studying this, according to you, with a 162 IQ and haven't learned a fucking thing about any of it. " So utters the superior intellect of Khan!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #14)

Wed Jul 25, 2018, 01:33 PM

15. Well, you don't.

You only know what the loons told you.
The loons agree with your beliefs, that's why you believe them.
You are consistently wrong about almost everything all the time and no matter what, you just can't see it.
You never admit when you are wrong. You ignore the posts you can't rebut with the shit you hear from the loons.
Over and over and over.
People that know what they are talking about don't meam anything to you if it goes against the loons.

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