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Thu Aug 9, 2018, 10:59 PM

Did you know that the Grand Canyon

Was formed during Noah’s flood? Purely scientific.

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Reply Did you know that the Grand Canyon (Original post)
TheShoe Thursday OP
New Deal Democrat Thursday #1
nolidad Friday #5
Cold Warrior Friday #2
SatansSon666 Friday #3
nolidad Friday #6
SatansSon666 Friday #7
nolidad Friday #4
SatansSon666 Friday #8
nolidad Friday #9
SatansSon666 Saturday #14
nolidad Friday #10
SatansSon666 Saturday #12
smalllivingeddy Monday #35
nolidad Friday #11
SatansSon666 Saturday #13
smalllivingeddy Saturday #15
nolidad Sunday #18
smalllivingeddy Sunday #22
nolidad Monday #29
smalllivingeddy Monday #31
nolidad Monday #32
Meowmenow Monday #33
Jack Burton Saturday #16
nolidad Sunday #21
Cold Warrior Sunday #17
nolidad Sunday #20
nolidad Sunday #19
SatansSon666 Monday #24
Cold Warrior Monday #23
SatansSon666 Monday #25
Cold Warrior Monday #26
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nolidad Monday #28
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Response to TheShoe (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 11:20 PM

1. Sure, everybody knows that

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #1)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 07:05 AM

5. Well:

John 1:1-3 King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

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Response to TheShoe (Original post)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 01:41 AM

2. That's true! Everyone knows that because everyone knows

rivers can’t flow uphill.

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Response to TheShoe (Original post)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 05:54 AM

3. It only happened on the north America continent too.

No other continent drained like that and created other grand canyons.
God truly blessed the USA.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #3)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 07:07 AM

6. Well with strong geological evidence of massive lakes above the Canyon

that if they breached like what happened at Mt. St. Helens to form canyons- yep sure thing!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #6)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 07:26 AM

7. Oh ffs.

Not the st. Helens thing again.

Funny how no other grand canyons though.
You'd think they'd be all over the place.

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Response to TheShoe (Original post)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 07:03 AM

4. Well look at Mt. St. Helens.

a 1/40th scale model of the grand canyon formed in days. Some places cut out of solid rock.

Thousands of sedimentary layers laid down in days! More evidence in one event to support rapid formation of a canyon than slow slow slow erosion.

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Response to nolidad (Reply #4)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 07:26 AM

8. Except that's not what happened.

Bone up a bit.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #8)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 04:12 PM

9. Except that is what did!!!

We have photos and videos to prove it!

If this happened unnoticed and was stumbled upon, standard textbook geology would say8 that teh canyon from teh turtle river was formed by tens of thousands of years of erosion by the river and the evidence is the thousands of fine sedimentary layers and differing strata shown in the canyon walls!

You need to bone up a lot!!!!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #9)

Sat Aug 11, 2018, 08:54 AM

14. I don't bone up by watching creationist videos.

That would be boning down.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #8)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 04:14 PM

10. I debated a geology8 college teacher on this,

that loon actually said they can tell the difference when strata are formed slowly and speedily! When pressed for this research- He does a typical you- make all sorts of lame excuses and resorts to hurling insults like lava from an erupting volcano!!!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #10)

Sat Aug 11, 2018, 08:51 AM

12. Sure you "debated" a geology professor.


Message boards posts aren't debates.

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Response to nolidad (Reply #10)

Mon Aug 13, 2018, 07:10 PM

35. Any geologist will tell you that they can tell the difference when strata are form slowly and speedi

That you "debated" him means no more than that you have posted all sorts of absurd things here. The professor you debated was correct, irrespective of whether you provoked him to anger.

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Response to TheShoe (Original post)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 05:48 PM

11. Well listen to a geologist and tell me where he errs from the recorded record!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #11)

Sat Aug 11, 2018, 08:53 AM

13. He mentions god before the intro credits are done popping up.

Lmao..

Pass.

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Response to TheShoe (Original post)

Sat Aug 11, 2018, 06:16 PM

15. I've heard creationists make that argument before too.

While that argument is, on its own terms incredibly weak, the whole argument entirely misses the formation of the rock layers through which the grand canyon cuts.

How anyone can argue that that happened in a few thousand years baffles me, but then, by making an argument that the canyon itself was formed by Noah's Flood they can try to ignore that question entirely.

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Response to smalllivingeddy (Reply #15)

Sun Aug 12, 2018, 06:24 PM

18. Well you forget that the Grand Canyon

is mostly sandstone . Sandstone is a sedimentary rock!

Sedimentary rock - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedimentary_rock
Sedimentary rocks are types of rock that are formed by the deposition and subsequent cementation of that material at the Earth's surface and within bodies of water. Sedimentation is the collective name for processes that cause mineral or organic particles (detritus) to settle in place.

So the land mass that was the grand canyon was layer upon layer upon layer of deposited sand and then began the process of cementing.

Even old earth scientists believe that above the grand canyon a long time ago there were massive lakesa. If those lakes breached and cascaded down- then it would have ripped through and made a canyon just as quick as the canyons that were formed by the breached dam on spirit lake pouring down through the toutle river basin.!

It took just a few days to form the canyon that the north fork of the toutle river flows through, that is now turning to sandstone in under 4 decades, with hundreds upon hundreds of sedimentary layers laid down in under a day!

Now look to the Grand canyon! You had to have a massive event to lay down all that sandstone (which is a soft rock BTW) . UNless you are willing to believe that the formation of the landmass of the canyon took millions of years to form by slow deposition of layer upon layer upon layer for thousands of layers of sediment. Then it reversed and took millions of years for the Colorado river to erode through all those layers that had to be laid down by event deposition!

Mount St. Helens eruption changed the landscape of the local area in rapid rapid formation and laid down over 500 feet of sedimentary deposits (which are becoming sandstone ) in a day!

Standard geology demands, that if we did not have any history of Mt. St. Helens and this canyon was stumbled upon- the canyon took tens to hundreds of thousands of years of slow slow erosion from the toutle river, which is 100% false!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #18)

Sun Aug 12, 2018, 08:32 PM

22. Actually, there is more limestone than sandstone.

Limestone is sedimentary too, of course, but it takes longer to form.

Even if it was mostly sandstone that much rock takes eons to form.

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Response to smalllivingeddy (Reply #22)

Mon Aug 13, 2018, 06:45 AM

29. Limestone is a sedimentary rock

whose chief material is crushed up ground remains of coral and shellfish!

Limestone is a sedimentary rock, composed mainly of skeletal fragments of marine organisms such as coral, forams and molluscs. Its major materials are the minerals calcite and aragonite, which are different crystal forms of calcium carbonate (CaCO3). About 10% of sedimentary rocks are limestones.

Now gee what kind of geologic event would deposit hundreds and thousands of square miles of crushed up marine organism shells to form limestone????

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Response to nolidad (Reply #29)

Mon Aug 13, 2018, 07:51 AM

31. Uh,

being at the bottom of the ocean for hundreds of millions of years.

A flood of the duration of anything close to a few thousand years is not going to do it.

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Response to smalllivingeddy (Reply #31)

Mon Aug 13, 2018, 05:55 PM

32. Uh,

Oceans and riverbeds do not create anything but a token amount of fossils. Even if we grant you the mythical hundreds of millions of years. Why?

These are active flowing waters that churn the bottoms. You do not see layers of sedimentary rock in river beds or ocean bottoms.

Nor will you find shells fossilizing for the simple fact they are in constant churning and get smashed and reduced to rubble! YOu will not find an ocean on the planet that has hundreds and thousands of sedimentary layers as shown by most of teh great canyons of the world!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #32)

Mon Aug 13, 2018, 07:02 PM

33. The stupidity of this post is almost overwhelming.

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Response to TheShoe (Original post)

Sat Aug 11, 2018, 09:32 PM

16. That is about a plausible as

the global warming hoax.

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Response to Jack Burton (Reply #16)

Sun Aug 12, 2018, 07:44 PM

21. Actually if you look at geology, hydrology

and canyon formation of sedimentary rock- not only does it become plausibel, but the most logical answer for the GRand Canyon and all sedimentary rock canyons!

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Response to TheShoe (Original post)

Sun Aug 12, 2018, 04:50 AM

17. A bit long but

Chemist, auto mechanic, and mid-husband (only one client) John Morris Pendleton explains everything you need to know about the Grand Canyon...

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #17)

Sun Aug 12, 2018, 07:42 PM

20. Is that all you got?

Mr. Sock puppet mocking someone and just spouting the unevidenced evolutionary line???

So what are your credentials?? Do we need to get a sock puppet for you ???

Your sock puppet fails in so many basic laws of geology and fossil formation!

Tell me, how many fossil scallops do you find in the ocean beds of today??? I will help you-0.

But I can see why you would like this guy- all he seems capable of is just mocking and hurling ad-homs and not actually presenting evidence to counter the claims.

This guy is a dip- don't try to emulate him.

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Response to TheShoe (Original post)

Sun Aug 12, 2018, 07:35 PM

19. One more critical point that one has to ask.

What kind of geologic event is needed to lay down all those sedimentary layers of sandstone in the first place?

Remember the colorado river does not erode and make layers- it erodes and would show already laid down layers of sedimentary sandstone.

Also- the grand canyon sandstone is part of a continent wide sandstone formation! So what kind of event is needed to lay down a formation that covers so much of a continent???????

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Response to nolidad (Reply #19)

Mon Aug 13, 2018, 04:59 AM

24. Certainly not a flood.

Different stratum absolutely disproves a flood as depositing the strata in nice layers.
With the same types of fossils in each layer.
Floods deposit one layer. You can do the experiment yourself.
Get a seethrough container, put some water, gravel, topsoil, leaves and grass etc..
Now stir the fuck out of it and go check it the next day. Count the layers. There will be one mixed up layer.
Now add those same ingredients one at a time and let them sink before adding another..
Then count the layers.
You won't do it, but you'd see a catatrophic flood doesn't lay down layers of different stone with the own distinct fossils.
Only an loon could come up with such a ridiculous story.

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Response to TheShoe (Original post)

Mon Aug 13, 2018, 01:25 AM

23. Meandering river or catastrophic flood?

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #23)

Mon Aug 13, 2018, 05:04 AM

25. I should have watched that before my last reply.

Lol. .
Basically what I said to him. .

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #25)

Mon Aug 13, 2018, 05:33 AM

26. Yeah, catastrophic roaring floods cut a pretty straight line

which of course the slow Colorado River did not.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #26)

Mon Aug 13, 2018, 05:40 AM

27. How people can believe any different is beyond me.

The loons really did a number on him.
He boasts a 162 IQ and can't even understand how rivers flow.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #23)

Mon Aug 13, 2018, 06:42 AM

28. And all that dudes debunking was debunked by one event!

and he is also wrong about fossilization of nautiloid shells. Don't believe me? Dig up the ocean floor and see the near complete and total lack of fossil shells.

there is a reason for that that all geologists should know if they did any study in school.

But the bigger question still is, what ewvent laid down all those hundreds of feet of sedimentary rock to begin with??

To say each layer represents X thousands of years is a farce because sandstone is easily eroded by such harsh things as -river flow, wind, rain!

So what kind of geological event can lay down sedimentary rock over thousands and thousands of square miles beforwe the colorado river could supposedly start eroding it????

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Response to nolidad (Reply #28)

Mon Aug 13, 2018, 07:22 AM

30. We can safely add

Geology, erosion, hydrology, fossil formation, sediments, sedimentary rock, paths of rivers, flood geology and strata formation to your ever expanding list of shit you clearly do not understand.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #30)

Mon Aug 13, 2018, 07:04 PM

34. Does it seem like he is getting worse?

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Response to Meowmenow (Reply #34)

Tue Aug 14, 2018, 08:33 AM

36. There have been some undeniable realities

Shown to him.
I think he's trying to find a way to be able to deny them. He can't. So he brings up his 5 or 6 talking points over and over and over again.
It's all he's got.
He contradicts himself.. goes off the deep end once in a while.

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