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Sun Oct 7, 2018, 07:05 PM

GLOBAL WARMING: FAKE NEWS FROM THE START


Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, and indeed the leaders of many western democracies, support the Paris Agreement and are completely unaware of the gross deficiencies in the science. If they understood those deficiencies, they wouldn’t be forcing a carbon dioxide (CO2) tax on their citizens.

Trudeau and other leaders show how little they know, and how little they assume the public knows, by calling it a “carbon tax” on “carbon emissions.” But CO2 is a gas, the trace atmospheric gas that makes life on Earth possible. Carbon is a solid, and carbon-based fuels are solid (coal), liquid (oil) or gaseous (natural gas).

By constantly railing about “carbon emissions,” Trudeau, Obama and others encourage people to think of carbon dioxide as something “dirty,” like soot, which really is carbon. Calling CO2 by its proper name would help the public remember that it is actually an invisible, odorless gas essential to plant photosynthesis.

Canadian Environment Minister Catherine McKenna is arguably the most misinformed of the lot, saying in a recent interview that “polluters should pay.” She too either does not know that CO2 is not a pollutant, or she is deliberately misleading people.

https://www.heartland.org/news-opinion/news/global-warming-fake-news-from-the-start

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Reply GLOBAL WARMING: FAKE NEWS FROM THE START (Original post)
oflguy Oct 2018 OP
It Guy Oct 2018 #1
oflguy Oct 2018 #2
It Guy Oct 2018 #3
Cold Warrior Oct 2018 #4
oflguy Oct 2018 #5
orson Oct 2018 #23
oflguy Oct 2018 #25
orson Oct 2018 #27
oflguy Oct 2018 #29
oflguy Oct 2018 #6
Jack Burton Oct 2018 #7
Cold Warrior Oct 2018 #8
oflguy Oct 2018 #9
SatansSon666 Oct 2018 #10
oflguy Oct 2018 #11
SatansSon666 Oct 2018 #12
Cold Warrior Oct 2018 #13
SatansSon666 Oct 2018 #14
orson Oct 2018 #24
oflguy Oct 2018 #15
SatansSon666 Oct 2018 #16
oflguy Oct 2018 #17
SatansSon666 Oct 2018 #18
oflguy Oct 2018 #19
SatansSon666 Oct 2018 #20
oflguy Oct 2018 #21
SatansSon666 Oct 2018 #22
oflguy Oct 2018 #26
SatansSon666 Oct 2018 #30
oflguy Oct 2018 #31
SatansSon666 Oct 2018 #33
oflguy Oct 2018 #36
SatansSon666 Oct 2018 #37
oflguy Oct 2018 #39
oflguy Oct 2018 #32
SatansSon666 Oct 2018 #34
oflguy Oct 2018 #35
SatansSon666 Oct 2018 #38
oflguy Oct 2018 #40
SatansSon666 Oct 2018 #41
oflguy Oct 2018 #42
Jack Burton Oct 2018 #28

Response to oflguy (Original post)

Sun Oct 7, 2018, 08:42 PM

1. CO2 is not only critically essential for photosynthesis, all life is carbon based.

The very act of breathing produces CO2.

May I suggest and demand that all climate jihadists stop breathing.

Please do your part! Fucking idiots.

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Response to It Guy (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 7, 2018, 08:52 PM

2. They really show their azz when they call CO2 a "pollutant"

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Response to oflguy (Reply #2)

Sun Oct 7, 2018, 09:10 PM

3. The CO2 bullshit is just a means to dupe the gullible out of their money and

to destroy capitalism.

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Response to oflguy (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2018, 04:09 AM

4. As usual, your article contains no science but is rather all about politics

This is the problem with CC Deniers. They conflate the scientific findings regarding the effects of increasing CO2 with potential political solutions that they oppose and come to the conclusion that the science must be wrong. Just as with evolution, science doesn’t work that way. If evolution deprives one of a sense of purpose, how does that affect the scientific findings?

The subsequent comments about CO2 being labelled as a pollutant are a bit silly. EXCESSIVE CO2 is the problem. As an example, Frank has a thread that talks about, among other things, the requirement for iodine in the human body for good health. Does that mean that one should drink a tall glass of iodine every morning for breakfast?

On a positive note, it’s good to see ExxonMo...uh the Heartland Institute dispelling the silly argument that somehow Climate Change is a new term put forth by scientists in lieu of Global Warming because ... reasons.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #4)

Mon Oct 8, 2018, 06:26 AM

5. You are starting to understand now

Its not about science, but politics

Good Boi

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Response to oflguy (Reply #5)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 12:29 PM

23. Oil company politics

Heartland is a paid propaganda mill funded by the oil majors and the koch brothers. It's "news" is about as fake as you can get. They make shit up to protect their bottom line and science be damned.

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Response to orson (Reply #23)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 02:00 PM

25. Mind telling us what is fake about that story?

Hummm?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #25)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 07:11 PM

27. It's oil company propaganda

it's all fake. CO2 is fine in moderation, just like water. WATER IS GOOD. TOO MUCH WATER, NOT GOOD. ALLSAME CARBON. Am i goin' too fast for you? I know this stuff is difficult.

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Response to orson (Reply #27)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 09:08 PM

29. I accept your apology for not being able to say what was fake about it

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #4)

Mon Oct 8, 2018, 06:27 AM

6. Define Excessive CO2

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Response to oflguy (Reply #6)

Mon Oct 8, 2018, 01:14 PM

7. Any amount that can be used by Marxists to enrich themselves and subjugate the masses.

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Response to Jack Burton (Reply #7)

Mon Oct 8, 2018, 02:23 PM

8. Yep. All those evil scientists getting so rich off of their con that

some are actually moving in next to the oil execs.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #8)

Mon Oct 8, 2018, 07:14 PM

9. Don't you want to take a stab at it?

Excessive CO2.

What is it?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #9)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 05:32 AM

10. Depends.

Too much in the blood means it will bind to the blood cells instead of oxygen. Which could be fatal or cause brain damage due to lack of oxygen going to the brain.

Too much in the atmosphere retards the earths ability to reject long wave radiation back into space. This causes the atmosphere to warm up. This also causes more h20 vapor to accumulate in the atmosphere because warmer air leaves more room to h20 molecules to bounce around and fill up the extra space, causing more warming again.

Too much in the oceans change the pH levels of the ocean by creating carbonic acid. Slight chnages can be harmful to ocean creatures and carbonic acid deteriorates the shells of some crestures.
As the oceans warms slightly the ocean water can't hold the co2 anymore and it goes back into the atmosphere.

So excessive in the blood isn't necessarily excessive in the air or sea.

Now what do you think is excessive?

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #10)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 05:35 AM

11. You are the CO2 expert

How much is too much?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #11)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 05:45 AM

12. I said.

It depends.

What do you think is too much was my question to you.

You have lots of questions. No answers.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #12)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 06:18 AM

13. That's his schtick. When has he ever contributed any content to these threads

other than cutting and pasting an article from the ExxonMo...Heartland Institute, the failed weatherman, Loudmouth Crowder, etc.? If one comments in any way negatively upon his propaganda, the rabbit hole questions start coming. No content, just questions. It's a dance routine that gets old quickly.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #13)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 06:26 AM

14. Yeah I know.

It does get old.
That's what happens when you don't follow the science and rely on science deniers for your information and confirmation bias.

It's funny when he learns something and then pretends he knew it all along and calls people silly when they bring it up.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #13)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 12:30 PM

24. don't feed the trolls...

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #12)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 09:02 AM

15. You mean to tell this forum you both don't know how much CO2 in the atmosphere is too much?

Then why are you both whining about CO2?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #15)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 09:11 AM

16. Too much for what?

Breathing?
Maintaining thermal equilibrium?
Getting saturated into the oceans?

It depends, like I said.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #16)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 09:51 AM

17. Lets go with breathing

How much is too much? What PPM in the atmosphere?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #17)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 10:03 AM

18. It depends.

Do you mean how much will kill you in a minute or how much will make you weak and sick for a while first until you die.
How much will make you sick and cause brain damage.
Lot of factors to consider when talking about the toxicity of carbon dioxide in the air and how it effects humans.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #18)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 10:25 AM

19. I asked you how much is too much

Just say "I don't know"

GEEEEEZZZZZ

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Response to oflguy (Reply #19)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 10:54 AM

20. Oh, I know.

Just trying make sure you got a specific answer.
Anything over 1000 ppm could be noticeable in a confined area without proper ventilation.
I had our co2 sensors set at 4000ppm in the lab. I think the old osha limit was an exposure of 5000, so I set it lower to be safe. Safe levels would be anything under 1000.
This was 7 years ago, So maybe I'm off a bit or the standards may have changed. I have no need to keep up with that now.

However if co2 in the atmosphere reached 1000 ppm it wouldn't really harm us but it would certainly cause other things to happen and throw the energy balance off quite a bit as too much long wave radiation would be trapped and absorbed in the atmosphere and the greenhouse effect would be out of control for a very, very long time.
Co2 sticks around, even though h20 has a greater warming effect it goes through cycles, but increased co2 keeping more thermal energy in the atmosphere and oceans means more h20 in the air, more in the oceans, oceans heat up and release dissolved co2, which causes more greenhouse effect, which allows more water in the air which heats up the air and oceans, which release more dissolved co2.... and so on and so on.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #20)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 11:05 AM

21. 400 ppm has not caused any warming, so so much for THAT theory

OSHA says 5,000 is the limit?

I'd relax. Plants love it.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #21)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 11:10 AM

22. Maybe they have updated their standards since then.

Plants love it but they are limited as well.
If they don't have enuff water or nitrogen the extra co2 doesn't mean anything to them.

Co2 is certainly blocking more and more long wave radiation.

What happens to a system that can't reject as much energy as it receives?

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #22)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 02:03 PM

26. What happens when a system rejects as much heat as it receives?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #26)

Wed Oct 10, 2018, 04:06 AM

30. all thermodynamic systems.

Try to achieve equilibrium.
The problem is, like I've shown you already, earth isn't rejecting as much as it receives.
You can deny it all you want.
I also told you about the energy budget and how much it retained over a 6 year period.
I expect you to ignore it all or else it all goes out the window for you.

So what happens when a system can't reject as much as it receives?
So scared to answer an easy question.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #30)

Wed Oct 10, 2018, 07:28 AM

31. As usual, you didn't read the link

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Response to oflguy (Reply #31)

Wed Oct 10, 2018, 07:41 AM

33. I did. All 3 pages.

Doesn't change anything.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #33)

Wed Oct 10, 2018, 07:52 AM

36. You did? What does it say about the top of the atmosphere and heat exchange?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #36)

Wed Oct 10, 2018, 08:15 AM

37. nothing that changes anything.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #37)

Wed Oct 10, 2018, 08:18 AM

39. You didn't read it

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #30)

Wed Oct 10, 2018, 07:34 AM

32. Your question is bullshit

The earth is rejecting what it receives. Were it not, the earth would have burned up millions of years ago. The balance occurs at the top of the atmosphere. If CO2 was retaining extra heat, the warming would occur in the upper atmosphere, not at the surface, and it simply is not happening.

What happens when a country stubbornly continues to employ capitalism as an economic system and resists socialism? You are a socialist, right?

Now, don't be afraid to answer the question.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #32)

Wed Oct 10, 2018, 07:41 AM

34. No it isn't.

You should have read the paper I linked to you months ago.
Oh well.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #34)

Wed Oct 10, 2018, 07:49 AM

35. Yeah, yeah, yeah

another phantom link proving you are a genius

Care to answer my question, or are you scared?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #35)

Wed Oct 10, 2018, 08:16 AM

38. Not scared of anything.

You need to pay more attention when people answer your questions.
Instead of claiming they didn't.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #38)

Wed Oct 10, 2018, 08:19 AM

40. Then tell us

Are you a socialist?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #40)

Wed Oct 10, 2018, 08:25 AM

41. Non-sequitur.

Next.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #41)

Wed Oct 10, 2018, 08:01 PM

42. Thats what I had already figured out

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Response to oflguy (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 09:02 PM

28. The government is just looking to tax the air itself.

The greed and lust for power by the statists in unceasing.

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