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Thu Oct 11, 2018, 08:10 AM

How will 9 billion or 10 billion people eat without destroying the environment?

The human population has reached 7.6 billion and could number 9 billion or 10 billion by midcentury. All those people will need to eat. A sobering report published Wednesday in the journal Nature argues that a sustainable food system that doesn’t ravage the environment is going to require dramatic reforms, including a radical change in dietary habits.

To be specific: Cheeseburgers are out, and fruits and veggies are in.

The 23 authors of the report, hailing from Europe, the United States, Australia and Lebanon, reviewed the many moving parts of the global food system and how they interact with the environment. The authors concluded that the current methods of producing, distributing and consuming food aren’t environmentally sustainable and that damage to the planet could make it less hospitable for human existence.

A core message from the researchers is that efforts to keep climate change at an acceptable level won’t be successful without a huge reduction in meat consumption.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2018/10/10/how-will-or-billion-people-eat-without-destroying-environment/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.fd9dd1e39280

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Reply How will 9 billion or 10 billion people eat without destroying the environment? (Original post)
Agent_86 Oct 11 OP
nolens volens Oct 11 #1
Magyar Heidinn Oct 11 #2
oflguy Oct 11 #3
Troll2 Oct 11 #4
Gamle-ged Oct 11 #5
orson Oct 11 #6
foia Oct 11 #7
Jack Burton Oct 11 #8
oflguy Oct 11 #9
Squeek Oct 12 #10
Gamle-ged Oct 12 #11
oflguy Oct 12 #13
Lowrider1984 Oct 12 #12

Response to Agent_86 (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 08:14 AM

1. More likely

more of those in the third world will starve to death...because no one really cares what happens to them.

Not their own governments and certainly not other governments, unless they have resources that matter then they have a shot at eating.

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Response to Agent_86 (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 08:15 AM

2. Over population out pacing and polluting resources. Who could have seen this happing.

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Response to Agent_86 (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 08:47 AM

3. You are making me hungry for a cheeseburger

I'll have one at lunch, i think

There is something you can do to help solve the overpopulation problem.

Tell your friends.

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Response to Agent_86 (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 08:59 AM

4. Most likely there will be another global total war mid-Century

Going backwards we have:

WW I&II plus the flu epidemic and revolutions in Russia and China

French Revolution and Napoleonic Wars

Thirty Years War

The Black Death

These all resulted in fairly high death rates over a period of a few decades and a reorganization of society. They are separated by 100 - 150 years.

Around 2040 the probability of another is heightened, especially as crude oil runs dry. It's likely that the next global war will be fought using IT and biotech.

Note that the Aussies succeeded in reducing the population of rabbits by 95% using biological means.

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Response to Agent_86 (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 08:59 AM

5. Overpopulation has, in the past, led to its own solution for some number of decades to follow...

... known as "The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse" consisting of pestilence, war, famine and death...

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Response to Gamle-ged (Reply #5)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 09:30 AM

6. Don't forget migration

Population pressure and food scarcity set large numbers of people in motion.That's partly what did in the Romans.

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Response to Agent_86 (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 10:22 AM

7. The following quote is from a book that was all the rage when it came out in 1968

From The Population Bomb by a Stanford professor:

The battle to feed all of humanity is over. In the 1970s hundreds of millions of people will starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now. At this late date nothing can prevent a substantial increase in the world death rate...

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Response to Agent_86 (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 11:47 AM

8. Yeah yeah yeah. Doom.

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Response to Agent_86 (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 09:00 PM

9. We - Are - All - Going - to - Die

(unless we all become socialists)

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Response to Agent_86 (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 10:33 AM

10. Pretty sure

that Mother Nature will take care of that problem sometime in the relatively near future.

I'm currently reading a book on the Flu pandemic of 1918, where more people died than were killed during WWI.

Maybe it won't be the Flu. Maybe some other disease that comes from an animal but the virus mutates when it jumps to its human victims.

If the quickness of how Influenza spread in 1918 was scary, imagine how terrifying it would be in today's world where people unknowingly infected with a deadly disease can be in different parts of the world in the relative blink of an eye.

It's just a matter of time...






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Response to Squeek (Reply #10)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 10:36 AM

11. My maternal Grandmother died in that epidemic...

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Response to Squeek (Reply #10)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 11:16 AM

13. See? A self-rectifying problem

too many people? Problem solved

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Response to Agent_86 (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 11:11 AM

12. Here's a thought!

Whenever the appeals begin to "save the starving" semi-humans living in mud huts suffering from famine, simply say "Nope".
What do they contribute to the global society? Nothing, beyond additional starving children, conceived when the developed world supplies them with tons of food to "tide them over" until the drought/famine eases.
If a region is incapable of providing food for the inhabitants, maybe people shouldn't live there.
Let them starve. No one will miss them.

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