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Mon Nov 26, 2018, 06:05 AM

Air Liquide to build first world scale liquid hydrogen production plant located in the Western U.S.



November 26, 2018 | Air Liquide

Air Liquide will build the first world scale liquid hydrogen production unit dedicated to the hydrogen energy markets, located in the Western U.S., and has signed a long-term agreement with FirstElement Fuel Inc (FEF), a leader in retail hydrogen infrastructure in the U.S., to supply hydrogen to FEF’s retail liquid hydrogen fueling stations in California. These new commitments will serve the growing needs of the hydrogen mobility market in California and help enable and complement the deployment of hydrogen fuel cell electric vehicles and support the hydrogen merchant market across the state.

Air Liquide expects to invest over 150 million US dollars to build a liquid hydrogen plant in the western United States, with construction to begin in early 2019. The plant will have a capacity of nearly 30 tons of hydrogen per day — an amount that can fuel 35,000 Fuel Cell Electric Vehicles (FCEVs). Through this investment, Air Liquide will enable the large-scale deployment of hydrogen mobility on the west coast, providing a reliable supply solution to fuel the 40,000 FCEVs expected to be deployed in the state of California by 2022. The plant will also support other fuel cell vehicle and transportation markets in the region, such as material handling and forklifts and heavy duty trucks.

The new plant is the first large scale investment into the supply chain infrastructure needed to support hydrogen energy solutions for the energy transition, starting with transport and mobility. The pace of FCEV deployment has now reached a level requiring a growing scale of investment and is paving the way for the growth of zero emission mobility in other geographies.

In addition to the long-term supply agreement, Air Liquide and FEF have entered into an agreement outlining Air Liquide’s intent to make an equity investment in FEF, following previous assistance to the company by Toyota and Honda. With these agreements, Air Liquide also builds upon its existing collaborations with Toyota and Honda to further enable a robust hydrogen fueling infrastructure and, along with others, bolster the deployment of fuel cell electric vehicles and the retail fueling infrastructure in California...more: https://www.airliquide.com/media/air-liquide-build-first-world-scale-liquid-hydrogen-production-plant-dedicated-supply-hydrogen-energy-markets

https://www.airliquide.com/science-new-energies/hydrogen-energy



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Reply Air Liquide to build first world scale liquid hydrogen production plant located in the Western U.S. (Original post)
Aquila Nov 26 OP
Troll2 Nov 26 #1
MumblyPeg Nov 26 #2
Aquila Nov 26 #7
MumblyPeg Nov 26 #10
fools_gold Nov 26 #3
SatansSon666 Nov 26 #4
fools_gold Nov 26 #5
Aquila Nov 26 #6
fools_gold Nov 26 #8
Aquila Nov 26 #9
Aquila Nov 27 #12
MumblyPeg Nov 26 #11
oflguy Nov 27 #13

Response to Aquila (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2018, 07:08 AM

1. I saw one of their hydrogen transporters on I-84 a couple weeks ago

The trailer consisted of a large number of roughly 1 meter diameter tubes containing compressed hydrogen.

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Response to Aquila (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2018, 08:42 AM

2. figures

How promising, a company selling magic fairy dust that needs US taxpayer subsidies to stay afloat.
Great plan.

Air Liquide
Subsidy Tracker Parent Company Summary
Parent Company Name: Air Liquide
Ownership Structure: publicly traded
Headquartered in: France
Major Industry: industrial services
Specific Industry: industrial gas
Subsidy Summary Subsidy Value Number of Awards
State/Local $21,938,318 51
Federal (grants and allocated tax credits) $20,158,689 20
TOTAL $42,097,007 71

https://subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/air-liquide

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Response to MumblyPeg (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 26, 2018, 10:33 PM

7. US Taxpayers subsidize fossil fuels

if anyone can even imagine that, ffs.

So why don't you complain about that?

Exxon and the rest need your money so keep paying your taxes.

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Response to Aquila (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 26, 2018, 11:12 PM

10. theres a difference between subsidies and promising to steal less taxes from a company as incentive

to provide jobs in the area.
But you already knew that

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Response to Aquila (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2018, 08:49 AM

3. No mention at all as to how the H2 will be produced

I wonder why that is?

( I'll guess it isn't going to be "green".)

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Response to fools_gold (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 26, 2018, 07:44 PM

4. How green would it have to be to satisfy someone?

Everyone is different.
My guess would be electrolysis. Maybe steam electrolysis to save energy if there is an emissions issue with the energy they use to run the electrolysers.

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Response to fools_gold (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 26, 2018, 10:31 PM

6. Better than smog

Union of Concerned Scientists

How Clean Are Hydrogen Fuel Cell Vehicles? (2014)

Fuel cell vehicles use hydrogen gas to power an electric motor. Like other all-electric cars and trucks, they produce zero harmful tailpipe emissions. However, the manner by which hydrogen fuel is made and delivered can affect how clean hydrogen fuel cell vehicles truly are.

Even when the fuel comes from one of the dirtiest sources of hydrogen, natural gas, today’s early FCEVs can cut greenhouse gas emissions by over 30 percent when compared with their gasoline-powered counterparts. Under California’s renewable hydrogen requirements, reductions are over 50 percent. Future fuel cell vehicles will likely be even cleaner... https://www.ucsusa.org/clean-vehicles/electric-vehicles/how-clean-are-hydrogen-fuel-cell-vehicles

Most battery-only EV's are coal or natural gas burners because the US gets ~60% of electricity from burning coal or natural gas.

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Response to Aquila (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 26, 2018, 10:46 PM

8. You didnt answer the question

How will the H2 be produced in the subject plants? Steam reforming of hydrocarbons, as is usually the case?

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Response to fools_gold (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 26, 2018, 11:09 PM

9. Probably SMR for now

But that's better than buying gas, both for the economy and the environment. H2 dollars stay within the country, and can even stay within the state or sometimes in the county.

First Element Fuels is aligned with True Zero (why do you think they chose that name?)

http://www.truezero.com/

There's this:


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Response to Aquila (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 01:18 AM

12. FirstElement Fuel's California Hydrogen Network Receives Huge Boost with Largest-Ever Contract



FirstElement Fuel's California Hydrogen Network Receives Huge Boost with Largest-Ever Contract for Hydrogen Supporting Fuel Cell Electric Vehicles

FirstElement Fuel secures long-term renewable hydrogen supply for its California True Zero Network as Air Liquide invests over $150 Million to build the first ever liquid hydrogen production facility for the zero-emission hydrogen electric vehicle market.

IRVINE, Calif., Nov. 26, 2018 /PRNewswire/ -- In a pivotal development for the hydrogen fuel cell electric vehicle market, FirstElement Fuel Inc has entered into a renewable hydrogen supply agreement with Air Liquide, which in turn will invest more than $150 Million to build a new liquid hydrogen production facility. The arrangement will enable FirstElement Fuel to provide 100% renewable hydrogen for customers of its True Zero Network, which will help the company achieve its goal of retailing hydrogen with zero greenhouse gas impact... https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/firstelement-fuels-california-hydrogen-network-receives-huge-boost-with-largest-ever-contract-for-hydrogen-supporting-fuel-cell-electric-vehicles-300754974.html

One third of TrueZero fuel is renewable and we’re continuously working to increase that number. Our fuel means cleaner air and fewer greenhouse gas emissions... http://www.truezero.com/sources-of-hydrogen/

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Response to fools_gold (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 26, 2018, 11:15 PM

11. you aren't going to get an answer from it. When you start talking about details, the magic

falls apart. somehow mass production is going to solve the problem that math poses to the energy conversion process.
SMH...

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Response to Aquila (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 11:51 AM

13. How is your hydrogen-powered car doing?

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