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Tue Nov 27, 2018, 10:11 PM

US DOE Fact of the Month: More than 20,000 hydrogen fuel cell forklifts are in use across the US



US DOE: Fact of the Month November 2018: There Are Now More Than 20,000 Hydrogen Fuel Cell Forklifts in Use Across the United States

Hydrogen-powered forklifts offer refueling in minutes, increased performance, and zero emissions for use within warehouses and buildings... https://www.energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/fact-month-november-2018-there-are-now-more-20000-hydrogen-fuel-cell-forklifts-use

RELATED:

Hydrogen-powered forklifts could speed up your Amazon deliveries

Amazon will replace its forklifts' batteries in 11 warehouses with an alternative power source: hydrogen fuel cells (HFC). The e-retail giant is investing millions in the technology, acquiring the right to buy up to 23 percent of hydrogen fuel cell maker Plug Power. In a press release, Plug Power has revealed that the tech titan will spend $70 million this year on hydrogen fueling infrastructure, the fuel itself and fuel cells for forklifts and for backup power...more: https://www.engadget.com/2017/04/07/amazon-fuel-cell-forklifts/




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Reply US DOE Fact of the Month: More than 20,000 hydrogen fuel cell forklifts are in use across the US (Original post)
Aquila Nov 2018 OP
quad489 Nov 2018 #1
oflguy Nov 2018 #6
Aquila Nov 2018 #13
oflguy Nov 2018 #14
SatansSon666 Nov 2018 #8
quad489 Nov 2018 #9
SatansSon666 Nov 2018 #18
quad489 Nov 2018 #19
SatansSon666 Nov 2018 #20
quad489 Nov 2018 #21
SatansSon666 Nov 2018 #23
oflguy Nov 2018 #15
TexMexNext Nov 2018 #2
oflguy Nov 2018 #5
Aquila Nov 2018 #12
oflguy Nov 2018 #16
akaConcernedCanuk Nov 2018 #3
Aquila Nov 2018 #10
oflguy Nov 2018 #4
oflguy Nov 2018 #17
Solesurvivor Nov 2018 #7
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Aquila Nov 2018 #11
Jack Burton Nov 2018 #22

Response to Aquila (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 10:26 PM

1. ''To make hydrogen fuel, manufacturers have to use a lot of energy and produce greenhouse gases...

...in the process. In addition, the fuel is pricey, as well as difficult to store and transport."

Tell the forum again how hydrogen power doesn't produce any pollution...............

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Response to quad489 (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 12:12 AM

6. Recent research reveals that a hydrogen-based transportation system

can have adverse effects on the ozone layer

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Response to oflguy (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 08:12 PM

13. That "study" you dredged up was from 2003

and was refuted in 2005

So this is a lie: "Recent research"

But that's your MO

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Response to Aquila (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 08:54 PM

14. refuted in 2005? By who?

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Response to quad489 (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 06:47 PM

8. Hydrogen production currently does for the most part.

Hydrogen combustion does not.
So when they say it doesn't produce harmful emissions, they are referring to the combustion, not the production.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 07:32 PM

9. No way, really...???

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Response to quad489 (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 09:03 PM

18. really!

"Tell the forum again how hydrogen power doesn't produce any pollution"

It doesn't.
The power from the hydrogen is derived from combustion.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #18)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 10:15 PM

19. ''The power from the hydrogen''...has WtF to do with my question in post #1?? And how did you not...

...read the ''To make hydrogen fuel, manufacturers have to use a lot of energy and produce greenhouse gases in the process. In addition, the fuel is pricey, as well as difficult to store and transport." part of said posting??

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Response to quad489 (Reply #19)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 10:32 PM

20. I didn't miss it.

Just pointed out an error in your request that he show the board how exactly hydrogen power....

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #20)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 01:36 PM

21. My fault for assuming the reader understood hydrogen power includes hydrogen sourcing etc...my bad!

In the future, I will try to make my statements much clearer for the easily confused and anal retentive.......

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Response to quad489 (Reply #21)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 04:18 PM

23. Thanks.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 08:54 PM

15. No, they are referring to the leaks

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Response to Aquila (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 10:30 PM

2. Takes lots of energy to make hydrogen

This has all the same problems as electric cars. Somewhere something is burning to generate that energy.

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Response to TexMexNext (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 12:10 AM

5. More efficient to use the electricity to power the cars instead of wasting it on hydrogen

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Response to TexMexNext (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 08:08 PM

12. 50 kWh equals 1 Kg H2

More and more, there will be too much renewable energy for the grid. Hydrogen is the way to store it.

LA TIMES 6/22/17

California invested heavily in solar power. Now there's so much that other states are sometimes paid to take it

On 14 days during March, Arizona utilities got a gift from California: free solar power.

Well, actually better than free. California produced so much solar power on those days that it paid Arizona to take excess electricity its residents weren’t using to avoid overloading its own power lines.

It happened on eight days in January and nine in February as well. All told, those transactions helped save Arizona electricity customers millions of dollars this year, though grid operators declined to say exactly how much. And California also has paid other states to take power.

The number of days that California dumped its unused solar electricity would have been even higher if the state hadn’t ordered some solar plants to reduce production — even as natural gas power plants, which contribute to greenhouse gas emissions, continued generating electricity... https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-fi-electricity-solar/

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Response to Aquila (Reply #12)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 08:56 PM

16. Anybody that pays someone to take their energy is an idiot

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Response to Aquila (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 10:43 PM

3. Related: - an interesting comparison between batteries and hydrogen



https://www.sunshineprofits.com/gold-silver/free-alerts/will-fuel-cells-vehicles-save-platinum-and-palladium/

/snip/

And hydrogen is not actually clean technology, at least not in the U.S. when it is mainly produced from natural gas. It’s a fossil fuel but in a green disguise. Finally, electric cars are cheaper than hydrogen vehicles – actually, in some countries, the total costs of ownership of an electric car are on parity with conventional cars (due to a per-mile fueling cost below that of gasoline)

/snip/
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hmmmmm



CC

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Response to akaConcernedCanuk (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 08:01 PM

10. Read more, learn new facts

Union of Concerned Scientists, Cambridge, MA

How Clean Are Hydrogen Fuel Cell Vehicles?

Even when the fuel comes from one of the dirtiest sources of hydrogen, natural gas, today’s early FCEVs can cut greenhouse gas emissions by over 30 percent when compared with their gasoline-powered counterparts. Under California’s renewable hydrogen requirements, reductions are over 50 percent. Future fuel cell vehicles will likely be even cleaner.

Learn more by downloading the fact sheet.

https://www.ucsusa.org/clean-vehicles/electric-vehicles/how-clean-are-hydrogen-fuel-cell-vehicles

Proceed to bash the Union of Concerned Scientists. I know you can do it.

Also, since recycling of Li-Ion batteries is not cost effective in 2018, can we bury some dead batteries in your backyard? EVERY SINGLE BATTERY MADE TODAY WILL DIE ONE DAY AND NEED REPLACEMENT. That's another fact. LOL at the people driving around with 1,300 pound battery packs, hope the cold weather doesn't take too much range off the total and hope there's no line at the next supercharger, or a 30 minute re-charge could turn into a 3 hour nightmare.

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Response to Aquila (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 12:08 AM

4. How is your hydrogen powered car doing?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 08:57 PM

17. Aquilla????????

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Response to Aquila (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 05:14 AM

7. Are you getting paid to shill for the hydrogen industry?

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Response to Solesurvivor (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 08:04 PM

11. .



Most Americans can't understand anything that doesn't involve money, apparently.

Do people that plug Tesla battery cars get paid?

Indeed, they do.

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Response to Aquila (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 04:07 PM

22. Okay

Put it in a car at no increased cost, with comparable performance and range, and ubiquitous refueling stations, and I'll consider buying it. Until then, I have better options.

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