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Wed Dec 12, 2018, 05:43 PM

Its a new Arctic. We've gone from white to blue,

WASHINGTON (AP) — Scientists are seeing surprising melting in Earth’s polar regions at times they don’t expect, like winter, and in places they don’t expect, like eastern Antarctica.

New studies and reports issued this week at a major Earth sciences conference paint one of the bleakest pictures yet of dramatic warming in the Arctic and Antarctica. Alaskan scientists described to The Associated Press Tuesday never-before-seen melting and odd winter problems, including permafrost that never refroze this past winter and wildlife die-offs.

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Tuesday released its annual Arctic report card, detailing the second warmest year on record in the Arctic and problems, including record low winter sea ice in parts of the region, increased toxic algal blooms, which are normally a warm water phenomenon, and weather changes in the rest of the country attributable to what’s happening in the far North.

“The Arctic is experiencing the most unprecedented transition in human history,” report lead author Emily Osborne, chief of Arctic research for NOAA, said Tuesday.

What’s happening is a big deal, said University of Colorado environmental science program director Waleed Abdalati, NASA’s former chief scientist who was not part of the NOAA report.

https://apnews.com/0b32aa853aa7417d9e4bba4d2e5893c8

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Reply Its a new Arctic. We've gone from white to blue, (Original post)
orson Dec 2018 OP
quad489 Dec 2018 #1
Solesurvivor Dec 2018 #2
freedumb2003 Dec 2018 #3
SatansSon666 Dec 2018 #5
oflguy Dec 2018 #4
SatansSon666 Dec 2018 #6
oflguy Dec 2018 #7
SatansSon666 Dec 2018 #8
SatansSon666 Dec 2018 #9
oflguy Dec 2018 #10
SatansSon666 Dec 2018 #11
oflguy Dec 2018 #12
SatansSon666 Dec 2018 #13
oflguy Dec 2018 #14
SatansSon666 Dec 2018 #15

Response to orson (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 06:23 PM

1. ''the second warmest year on record''...that might mean something if the Earth was only 200 yrs old.

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Response to orson (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 06:33 PM

2. Cool

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Response to orson (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 06:52 PM

3. Post hoc ergo propter hoc

 

The Earth changes.

Human history of a couple of thousand years, much less the ability to measure and record weather which is a few hundred years, isn't even a dot on a blip of Earth history of over 4 billion years.

Observations within this brief a period is meaningless.

If climate "science" was a science there would be one model and it would be predictive. The hundreds (thousands?) of competing and frequently contradictory models tell us all AGW is at best a guess. It meets exactly zero criteria for a Scientific Theory and very few even for a Scientific Hypothesis.

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Response to freedumb2003 (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 13, 2018, 05:40 AM

5. Having only 1 model wouldn't be scientific at all.

You need control models and models with different variables plugged in to measure all aspects.

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Response to orson (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 08:02 PM

4. You people always forget to mention one minor detail

Underwater volcanoes melting Arctic Ice, says geologist

January 20, 2016

Massive amounts of heat pulsing from the earth

Powerful deep Arctic Ocean geological heat flow forces are melting the ice, says geologist James Edward Kamis.

In an article entitled “Heat From Deep Ocean Fault Punches Hole in Arctic Ice Sheet,” Kamis punches his own holes in the “humans-are-melting-the-ice”chorus.

A very interesting high temperature and low salinity hole has just been punched in the sea ice … directly above the deep ocean Gakkel Ridge Rift / Fault System,” wrote Kamis in early November. (The event Kamis is referring to took place on October 12, 2015.)

Massive amounts of heat pulsing from the earth

The Gakkel ridge is a gigantic chain of underwater volcanoes snaking 1,800 kilometers (1,100 miles) beneath the Arctic Ocean from the northern tip of Greenland to Siberia.

With its deep valleys plummeting 5,500 meters (3.4 miles) beneath the sea surface and its summits rising 5,000 meters (3.1-miles) above the seafloor (but still a third of a mile beneath the sea surface), the Gakkel ridge is far mightier than the Alps.

The Gakkel Ridge has in the recent past pulsed massive amounts of heat into the overlying ocean and thereby melted large portions of the ice that floats above the heated ocean column, says Kamis.

Climate scientists who favor the theory of man-made global warming maintain that the higher melt rate of Arctic sea ice from 1999 to 2007 was entirely due to man-made CO2 emissions, Kamis continues.

Natural forces play dominate role in sea ice extent

However, it is clear to most scientists, he continues, that non-atmospheric natural forces play the dominate role in sea ice extent and thickness.

These natural forces include variations in the Earth’s orbit, long-term cyclic changes in deep-ocean currents, and most importantly geologically induced heat and chemically charged fluid flow from deep ocean faults and volcanoes.

Even though the October 12 event was associated with an extensive earthquake swarm, a huge methane release, and a significant series of volcanic eruptions along the Gakkel Ridge, “it was, and still is dismissed as insignificant by most climate scientists advocating the theory of man-made global warming,” says Kamis

But many scientists now realize that the 1999-2007 Gakkel Ridge heat and chemically charged fluid flow event was the root cause of accelerated the Arctic sea ice melting rate.

http://www.climatechangedispatch.com/heat-from-deep-ocean-fault-punches-hole-in-arctic-ice-sheet.html

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Response to oflguy (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 13, 2018, 03:55 PM

6. Did you check the paper referenced?

Just to make sure that there wasn't an error in the reporting at climatechangedispatch?
"many scientists now realize"

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 13, 2018, 09:08 PM

7. Blah Blah Blah

Of course you will try to deny it.

Its been known for years that active volcanoes are melting Arctic ice.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 13, 2018, 09:31 PM

8. I'm not denying anything.

I asked if you had checked for yourself to see if they had accurately reported the paper they referenced.


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Response to oflguy (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 13, 2018, 10:04 PM

9. If it's been known for years, then what is all the mystery?

Some method must have been employed to determine the amount of volcanic activity and its effects.
How else could we know it is true?

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #9)

Thu Dec 13, 2018, 11:06 PM

10. no mystery

Why do you think it is a mystery?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 14, 2018, 09:45 AM

11. Well then you must know that they take those things into account.

Since, you know, scientists figured it out. Not climateresearchnow or whatever the fuck it was called.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 14, 2018, 10:13 AM

12. How come climate "scientists" ignore the volcanoes then?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 14, 2018, 01:56 PM

13. How do they ignore them?

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #13)

Fri Dec 14, 2018, 02:28 PM

14. Now THERE is a brilliant question

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Response to oflguy (Reply #14)

Fri Dec 14, 2018, 02:29 PM

15. Should be easy to answer then.

But you'll refuse to answer and ignore it.
Like you do every other time.
Then attempt a lame insult because you don't have a clue.

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