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Fri Dec 21, 2018, 09:40 AM

Surprising discoveries on how tornadoes form and how climate change could make them stronger

Tuesday's very rare and strong December tornado in Washington state comes as scientists are learning more than ever about how tornadoes form and why they seem to be growing more powerful. One of those studies says your eyes are deceiving you — tornadoes do not drop down from the clouds. In fact, it's likely the opposite, according to a new study presented at the American Geophysical Union conference.

Despite the thousands of scientists and storm chasers descending on Tornado Alley every spring, the exact mechanics on how tornadoes form is still not perfectly known. Even something as seemingly elementary as, does the funnel grow from ground or drop from the clouds, is still in debate.

For this research, Dr. Jana Houser and her team intercepted four tornadoes. They used a special mobile rapid-scanning Doppler radar, which returns data every 15-30 seconds, as opposed to every few minutes like more traditional land-based radars. Shooting a radar beam through the depth of the column, from cloud and ground, allows them to pinpoint where the rotation shows up first.

The most notable intercept was the infamous and deadly tornado that struck El Reno, Oklahoma, in May 2013. On that day a very large contingent of scientists and storm chasers were right in the storm's path, providing an abundance of eyewitness as well as photographic, video and technological evidence. A more comprehensive analysis of how tornadoes form — what scientists call the tornadogenesis process — "has never before been obtained, providing a missing link in the story of tornado formation: the rotation associated with the tornado was clearly present at the surface first," the researchers reported.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-tornadoes-form-climate-change-may-make-tornadoes-stronger/

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Reply Surprising discoveries on how tornadoes form and how climate change could make them stronger (Original post)
Agent_86 Dec 21 OP
oldenuff35 Dec 21 #1
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oflguy Dec 21 #3
SatansSon666 Dec 22 #4
oflguy Dec 22 #5
SatansSon666 Dec 22 #6
oflguy Dec 22 #7
Jack Burton Dec 25 #8

Response to Agent_86 (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2018, 11:02 AM

1. Maybe, might, could, is possible, oh please just believe us and give us your money.....

All of this based on non-science with none of it based on a single fact or principle that has arrived in the discussion/debate per the research method guided by The Scientific Method.

The scientific method is the only accepted world wide standard for arriving at scientific facts, supporting hypothesis, and provides the only accepted rules for conducting studies within the field of science.

Step right up folks and show us all that research and all of those facts that were arrived at with the utilization of,

"The Scientific Method".

YOU HAVE NONE.

If you do not understand this concept then do a search and read it for yourself.

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Response to oldenuff35 (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 21, 2018, 12:02 PM

2. nobody asked for $$, they presented only a hypothesis based on some new evidence

from a single study.

"But even with all this high resolution data and research, fundamental mysteries remain, says Orf: "I would not say this observation in any way 'solves' tornadogenesis.""

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Response to Agent_86 (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2018, 06:09 PM

3. "why they seem to be growing more powerful"

Says who?

Based on what?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 22, 2018, 02:31 AM

4. It's in the article.

Dr. James Elsner.

In his paper Elsner notes the annual number of strong and violent tornadoes (rated EF2 or worse) has remained relatively consistent from year to year. However, the number of days with large outbreaks of many tornadoes is on the rise. An increase in the number of big tornado days means a larger threat of damaging tornadoes because the percentage of violent tornadoes (EF4 or worse) increases in those larger outbreak days.

Elsner said, "We cannot yet be sure if this is a long-term trend tied to climate change or a low frequency oscillation."

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 22, 2018, 09:26 AM

5. Utter bullshit

He cites no source, obviously

That is because there isn't any source

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Response to oflguy (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 22, 2018, 11:03 AM

6. Dr. Elsner wrote the paper.

Is he right? did he fuck up?
Is it just a claim based off of other people's research?

The source is there in the article.
https://eartharxiv.org/wpkt9/

Now, is EarthArxiv a legitimate respectable place for good peer-reviewed articles, or is more of a pay-for-play?


The answers to your questions are always right on front of you.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 22, 2018, 06:35 PM

7. Still no citation of facts

Last edited Sat Dec 22, 2018, 07:12 PM - Edit history (1)

Are tornadoes getting worse?

It is human nature to assume that the latest severe weather event is part of a pattern of change. But when it comes to tornadoes in the United States, the statistics suggest otherwise.

Tornado statistics in the U.S. have been kept since the 1950s. As the population has grown and video cameras have become commonplace, there has been some increase in the total number of tornadoes reported, but it is well known that tornado reports are clustered near where people live. As towns, cities, and roads have expanded, there are more visual sightings of tornadoes which would have gone undetected before.

Harold Brooks, a NOAA tornado expert, has compiled statistics on all tornadoes having at least F1 or greater in intensity, and found that the most recent 12 month period as of this writing (May 2012 through April 2013) had a record LOW number of tornadoes:

http://www.weatherquestions.com/Are_tornadoes_getting_worse.htm

When was the most destructive tornado ever recorded?

1925

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Response to Agent_86 (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2018, 03:43 PM

8. doomertists don't know how tornadoes form

but can predict global temperature to a tenth of a degree 100 years in the future

It doesn't matter anyway. Doomers tell us the earth with be unable to support life by 2030.

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