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Mon Jan 14, 2019, 01:52 AM

Nobel Prize-winning DNA Pioneer Stripped of Titles for Insisting IQ Depends on Race & Genes

Published time: 14 Jan, 2019 00:06
Edited time: 14 Jan, 2019 01:02

Ninety-year-old Nobel Prize-winning scientist James Watson has been stripped of his honorary titles by a leading American research institution, after doubling down on his controversial conclusions linking race and intelligence.

Despite nearly half a century service to the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory (CSHL), Watson, a world-renowned geneticist, lost all of his honorary titles of Chancellor Emeritus, Oliver R. Grace Professor Emeritus and Honorary Trustee, for refusing to retract his own scientific conclusions.

In 2007, Watson was suspended from all of his positions held at the New York lab following a scandal centering around his claim about the "inherently gloomy" future of the African continent. “All our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours - whereas all the testing says not really,” he told the Times newspaper at the time.

While having initially issued an apology for his comments, allowing him to maintain his honorary titles at the CSHL, when asked more than a decade later whether his views about race and intelligence have changed, he told the PBS documentary they haven’t.

“Not at all. I would like for them to have changed, that there be new knowledge that says that your nurture is much more important than nature,” the scientist was quoted as saying in a recently previewed PBS documentary, titled American Masters: Decoding Watson. “There’s a difference on the average between blacks and whites on IQ tests. I would say the difference is, it’s genetic.”

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Reply Nobel Prize-winning DNA Pioneer Stripped of Titles for Insisting IQ Depends on Race & Genes (Original post)
RCW2014 Jan 2019 OP
Gunslinger201 Jan 2019 #1
foia Jan 2019 #2
rampartb Jan 2019 #3
freedumb2003 Jan 2019 #4
rahtruelies Jan 2019 #5
bernt-toast Jan 2019 #6
Currentsitguy Jan 2019 #8
bernt-toast Jan 2019 #10
Bubba Jan 2019 #9
bernt-toast Jan 2019 #11
oflguy Jan 2019 #7
Jack Burton Jan 2019 #12
Bubba Jan 2019 #13

Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 04:19 AM

1. And Conservatives are anti-Science?

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 05:21 AM

2. What would the reaction be if he were black and said the very same thing?

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 07:23 AM

3. it is not shocking that watson would take that sude in the ongoing "nature vs nurture" controversy

my experience is that both genetics and education contrubute to "intelligence," a word which is nowhere defined as "agreement with me."

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Response to rampartb (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 08:24 AM

4. There is a scientific definition of intelligence and it has been used in many studies

 

It basically means the capacity to learn and apply what is learned. Capacity, not ability.

It measures hardware -- the brain itself.

The same people who mistype AGW is science now mistype science as politically incorrectness. About the only thing lefty gets right in the science world is TToE and I think THAT is just b/c a small number of fundies do not understand it.

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 08:44 AM

5. Watson is very unPC......................right but very unPC

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 03:59 PM

6. Watson's conclusion is hardly "scientific"

IQ is not solely determined by dna. Environment, including nutrition, education, upbringing, family, etc, especially during rapid growth periods, impacts brain (as well as physical) development.

Watson was never pc, but importantly is also highly unethical. Never gave Rosalind Franklin her just due. Used her x-rays without her permission or even discussing with her the fact that he'd been given unauthorized access to them. Then had the gall to call her stupid.

Bottom line is the guy is an arrogant jerk.

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Response to bernt-toast (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 15, 2019, 08:05 PM

8. Never gave Rosalind Franklin her just due

That's the part that always disgusted me.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:22 PM

10. was typical in the world of science back in the day.

systemic sexism. Similar with Tikva Alper and prion disease.

She proposed cjd was protein-based, backed by hard evidence, and was mocked and ridiculed.

15 years later a man proposed the same thing, gave it a cute name, and won the nobel prize.

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Response to bernt-toast (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 04:04 AM

9. Had No Idea Who Rosalind Franklin Was.

Read the Wikipedia article about her. It appears you are correct, Bernt Toast. Watson screwed her over pretty thoroughly.

Arrogant jerk?? Yeah. But that doesn't make him wrong.

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Response to Bubba (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:27 PM

11. in this case he is wrong.

Starve a child; get seriously impaired brain development.

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2019, 07:24 PM

7. Nobel Peace Prize

funny

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 02:50 PM

12. The Nobel prize ceased to represent excellence a long time ago.

It is now merely a socialist back-slapping society for people who further the socialist revolution.


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Response to Jack Burton (Reply #12)

Fri Jan 18, 2019, 05:36 AM

13. Absolutely! Agree One Thousand Percent. N/T

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