Fri Jan 18, 2019, 08:33 PM

Exclusive: Toyota Hydrogen Boss Explains How Fuel Cells Can Achieve Corolla Costs

Professor Katsuhiko Hirose, Toyota Fuel Cell Lead Engineer

The Drive | BERTEL SCHMITT | JANUARY 18, 2019

If you want to bring the wrath of Twitter upon you, suggest that electric vehicles could be powered by something other than batteries. Only the utterly naïve seem to think that any technology bringing zero emission transportation should be worth the consideration. Mention fuel cells, and you will swiftly be denounced as an idiot, an agent of Big Oil, or worse. Tesla’s Elon Musk routinely piles invective on fuel cells, calling them "mind-bogglingly stupid," "incredibly dumb" and "fool cells”—schoolyard taunts that resonate especially well with battery-bullies.

The other side of the holy war for the most part quietly turns the other cheek. Well, until this morning, as I sit down in a coffee shop in Tokyo’s Shinagawa Station for an exclusive interview with one of the central figures of Toyota’s fuel cell project. Professor Katsuhiko Hirose has been in charge of Toyota’s Fuel Cell system development, and he tells me why Musk is rightfully afraid of the fuel cell: Hydrogen Fuel cell vehicles will eventually be cheaper than gasoline-powered cars, opening the door to zero-emission transportation around the world, and not just in rich pockets that can afford battery-electric vehicles that are dependent on scarce natural resources and government support...snip

...Three years later, in 2006, the German scientist Ulf Bossel wrote a paper that basically claimed that that making hydrogen from electricity is a waste of energy. Storing the same quantity of energy in a battery rather than turning it into hydrogen for storage and later use is more efficient, Bossel posited. Decades later, the battery cam still treats this paper as if it was brought down from Mount Sinai on two iPads. To this day, Bossel’s screed remains the ideological basis of pure battery doctrine.

Bossel made a fundamental mistake in his analysis, Hirose says about the fellow nuclear physicist. Bossel assumed Hydrogen would be made using existing electricity. “If the starting point is that the electricity is already there, and if you use that existing electricity to make hydrogen with electrolysis, then yes, you would lose 30% of that energy,” Hirose says. “But people forget that when that electricity was made from natural gas, or coal, 60% to 70% of the energy was lost. If hydrogen is produced directly from natural gas or even coal, they will not lose 60 or 70% of the energy. It all depends on where you start.” ..snip more:

"Bossel made a fundamental mistake in his analysis"

Get that? Much of the present day criticism of H2 fuel cells is BASED ON A MISTAKE IN SOME GERMAN'S "ANALYSIS"

You can't spell ANALYSIS without ANAL and Ulf Bossel is a BUFFOON

Hydrogen Fuel Cells can tolerate temperatures of -20C

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Sat Jan 19, 2019, 05:16 AM

1. Gotta give you an A for effort, at least

By the way, how is your hydrogen car doing?

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Sat Jan 19, 2019, 05:55 AM

2. Producing hydrogen from coal or fossil fuels

Through the gasification process makes a lot of CO2. Technologies to capture the CO2 are being developed though. If they could capture the CO2 instead of releasing it into the air it would be a good advancement and would be better than using electrolysis of water for efficiency. No "middle man" so to speak.

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