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Fri Feb 1, 2019, 12:49 PM

European colonizers killed so many Native Americans that it changed the global climate, researchers

When Europeans arrived in the Americas, they caused so much death and disease that it changed the global climate, a new study finds.

European settlers killed 56 million indigenous people over about 100 years in South, Central and North America, causing large swaths of farmland to be abandoned and reforested, researchers at University College London, or UCL, estimate. The increase in trees and vegetation across an area the size of France resulted in a massive decrease in carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere, according to the study.

Carbon levels changed enough to cool the Earth by 1610, researchers found. Columbus arrived in 1492,

"CO2 and climate had been relatively stable until this point," said UCL Geography Professor Mark Maslin, one of the study's co-authors. "So, this is the first major change we see in the Earth's greenhouse gases."

Before this study, some scientists had argued the temperature change in the 1600s, called the Little Ice Age, was caused only by natural forces.

But by combining archaeological evidence, historical data and analysis of carbon found in Antarctic ice, the UCL researchers showed how the reforestation -- directly caused by the Europeans' arrival -- was a key component of the global chill, they said.

"For once, we've been able to balance all the boxes and realize that the only way the Little Ice Age was so intense is ... because of the genocide of millions of people," Maslin told CNN.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/01/world/european-colonization-climate-change-trnd/index.html

First, the Europeans did not intend to kill all those Native Americans. Most of them succumbed to European diseases. At the time, all diseases were thought to be caused by the environment. The germ theory of disease and an understanding of communicable diseases was only developed in the 1800s, Centuries later.

Second, the Little Ice Age is likely the result of the lack of sunspots during the Maunder Minimum. At first, the Little Ice Age was debunked as being a local European weather phenomena. Enough data from around the world is now in so that it has to be recognized as a global cooling. I'm sure the search is on for non-sunspot theories connected to human activities. However, the sunspots are now coming to a new Minimum, and we shall soon see what the satellite data says.

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Reply European colonizers killed so many Native Americans that it changed the global climate, researchers (Original post)
Troll2 Feb 2019 OP
Da Mannn Feb 2019 #1
SatansSon666 Feb 2019 #6
Da Mannn Feb 2019 #9
SatansSon666 Feb 2019 #11
Da Mannn Feb 2019 #12
SatansSon666 Feb 2019 #13
Da Mannn Feb 2019 #14
SatansSon666 Feb 2019 #15
Da Mannn Feb 2019 #17
SatansSon666 Feb 2019 #18
Da Mannn Feb 2019 #19
SatansSon666 Feb 2019 #20
Da Mannn Feb 2019 #21
SatansSon666 Feb 2019 #22
Da Mannn Feb 2019 #23
SatansSon666 Feb 2019 #24
Da Mannn Feb 2019 #25
SatansSon666 Feb 2019 #26
Da Mannn Feb 2019 #28
SatansSon666 Feb 2019 #29
Da Mannn Feb 2019 #30
SatansSon666 Feb 2019 #31
Da Mannn Feb 2019 #10
Currentsitguy Feb 2019 #32
Lowrider1984 Feb 2019 #33
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quad489 Feb 2019 #4
Paradigm Feb 2019 #5
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SatansSon666 Feb 2019 #16
oflguy Feb 2019 #27
Jack Burton Feb 2019 #34
orson Feb 2019 #35
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Response to Troll2 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 12:52 PM

1. More made up BULLSH!T. More Fake News from a pretend news source.

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 05:00 PM

6. Well then. Since you don't trust CNN

I assume you tracked the paper down, read it and came to the same conclusion that it's bullshit.
You were able to debunk the ice core samples too.
Right?

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 05:51 PM

9. A paper that says American History caused global warming? That IS Bullsh!t.

I don't need to be a Rhodes scholar to know this paper is bullsh!t.
Further, that you are willing to believe this bullsh!t without investigation says you are not an educated man.

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #9)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 06:01 PM

11. You didn't read it.

Yet you know what it says.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #11)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 06:03 PM

12. What was that? I can't hear you over your lack of education.

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #12)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 06:19 PM

13. If you can hear text, you might want to get checked out.

I mean, really, if you had even skimmed the OP you would know that the drop of CO2 concentration caused a cooling. So saying "Ameircan history caused global warming" or how ever you put it, couldn;t be more wrong.

Admitting you have no clue what the paper says, then pretending to know what the fuck you are talking about is lame.

Think before you insult someone's intelligence.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #13)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 06:22 PM

14. I can't insult your intelligence. you swallowed this bogus story.

that is insult enough.

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #14)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 06:27 PM

15. Wrong.

I searched out the information the article was based on, like intelligent people do.
You saw a headline and made a knee-jerk decision on it, without even worrying if it was going to make you look foolish or not.
Then you say I'm not educated.

Lame.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 06:34 PM

17. You're just upset because you lost the debate.

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #17)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 06:38 PM

18. There was no debate.

It would be pointless to since you haven't even taken a minute to research the material.
I'm not upset at all.
It's hilarious how you can just sit there and pretend to know what the fuck you are talking about without knowing ONE FACT about the topic at hand.

If you cared and really wanted to make CNN look stupid, it's real easy to do because they totally added shit to sensationalize it.
That doesn't make the research wrong though. You wouldn't know though, because, well, you never actually cared about the information.
Lame.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #18)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 06:47 PM

19. Denial. You cannot compete in the area of ideas.

You lost, plain and simple.

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #19)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 06:52 PM

20. Instead of just admitting that you don't care to know whether or not you are correct.

Change the rules and declare victory.
Lame.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #20)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 06:53 PM

21. I won, you lost. Please lose with dignity.

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #21)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 07:06 PM

22. lmao.

lame.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #22)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 07:21 PM

23. Laughter is a form of denial

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #23)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 08:48 PM

24. Laughter in the form of denial is rare.

This is clearly a case of what is the most common type of laughter, laughing at somebody.
Just so we're clear, it's me laughing at you for being so lame.
It makes me wonder though, in what situations would that approach seem to work to anyone but yourself?

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #24)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 08:53 PM

25. It manifested in you. I win. You lose.

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #25)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:08 PM

26. You win nothing.

You lose.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #26)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:39 PM

28. Nuh uh. I win the debate.

and you keep falling for click bait.

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #28)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:46 PM

29. Ok fella, you won the imaginary debate

and never fall for click bait.
Keep going.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #29)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 10:12 PM

30. Acceptance is the first step to recovery

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #30)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 05:14 AM

31. Uh huh.

Lame.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 05:53 PM

10. Duplicate post. But it did deserve to be said twice.

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 10:57 AM

32. Well yes and no.

Read the book 1491 if you get a chance. It's a great read. The one thing the study does acknowledge is that contrary to popular belief Pre Colombian America was not a sparsely populated New Eden. It was densely populated, with much of the land under controlled agricultural cultivation. Even the forests were managed for productive use. The Indians were far from the "Noble Savages" the more starry-eyed portray them to be. I can see how rampant disease, even if inadvertently transmitted, could just devastate the landscape.

Imagine, if you will, if Ebola were to run unchecked across Africa how it could have global repercussions. Think of the climatic effects if there were no longer people to engage in the massive slash and burn practices they engage in. Imagine if the forests regrew because people were not cutting them down wholesale to make charcoal for cooking.

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 01:50 PM

33. Most researchers estimate the native population of the US

prior to the arrival of Europeans to be between 8 and 12 million.
The estimate in 1850 was about 6 million remaining.

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Response to Troll2 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 12:54 PM

2. True.

And the same thing has happened for millennia on smaller or larger scales.

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Response to HerasHeaddress (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 01:37 PM

3. AGW mediicine-men think a 40 year trend is significant in an entity 4 billion years old

 

As I have noted, if AGW was real science there would be one model and it would be predictive.

When they start spouting off about trends, ask what the trendlines would be WITHOUT humans. That is indeed a scientific question.

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Response to Troll2 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 01:46 PM

4. Wow, the White Guilt is really strong with your source...............................GOOD!!!

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Response to Troll2 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 04:50 PM

5. CNN. Lol.

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Response to Paradigm (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 05:05 PM

7. Published science papers. . LOL!

You folks are hilarious.

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Response to Troll2 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 05:47 PM

8. Someone needs to beam these faux PHD's up!

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Response to Troll2 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 06:33 PM

16. The acutal paper agrees with you.

People are so easily fooled by headlines and bad journalism.

Saying "European settlers killed" is just plain false and the paper doesn't say that at all.

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Response to Troll2 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:30 PM

27. In that case we owe them a debt of gratitude for reducing the earth's population

and for causing the earth to cool off. It gave us a bit of a buffer zone.

Thanks, guys

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Response to Troll2 (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2019, 03:17 PM

34. More fake news and fake science from SJW doomertists.

Just when you think doomertists have hit rock bottom on the credibility scale they find a new low.

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Response to Troll2 (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2019, 05:24 PM

35. Reading the responses to this thread

one could come away with the idea that Conservatives aren't real smart.

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Response to orson (Reply #35)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 06:00 AM

36. A lot of them really shine in the science category.

They should all be working in labs and for NASA and Cern.
I mean, all they have to do is read a headline and they know more about the topic than the people that wrote the papers the articles are based on.
It's incredible.

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