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Sun Feb 3, 2019, 10:41 AM

First Green Hydrogen Project breaks ground in Dubai



Gulf News | February 03, 2019 | Janice Ponce de Leon

Dubai: Dubai began exploring the potential of producing and using hydrogen as a low-carbon energy source when it broke ground for its first solar-powered Green Hydrogen Project in Seih Al Dahl on Sunday.

The Green Hydrogen Project, located at the Mohammad Bin Rashid Solar Park, will be powered using energy produced at the park.

The new project of Dubai Electricity and Water Authority (Dewa) in collaboration with Siemens is considered a first-of-its-kind project in the Mena region.

Shaikh Ahmad Bin Saeed Al Maktoum, Chairman of the Dubai Supreme Council of Energy, was present at the groundbreaking ceremony, along with Dr Thani Bin Ahmad Al Zeyoudi, Minister of Climate Change and Environment, Saeed Mohammad Al Tayer, Managing Director and CEO of Dewa, and Joe Kaeser, President and CEO of Siemens.

Through the project, Dewa aims to explore the “enormous potential” of developing the hydrogen economy in the UAE, a system where energy is delivered using hydrogen, a low-carbon alternative... https://gulfnews.com/uae/first-green-hydrogen-project-breaks-ground-in-dubai-1.1549175502065


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Reply First Green Hydrogen Project breaks ground in Dubai (Original post)
Aquila Feb 3 OP
wonderwarthog Feb 3 #1
sipow Feb 3 #3
wonderwarthog Feb 3 #6
fools_gold Feb 3 #2
MumblyPeg Feb 3 #4
MumblyPeg Feb 3 #5
wonderwarthog Feb 3 #7
SatansSon666 Feb 4 #11
wonderwarthog Feb 4 #12
Aquila Feb 3 #8
MumblyPeg Feb 3 #9
SatansSon666 Feb 4 #10

Response to Aquila (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2019, 10:55 AM

1. Undermining oil?

Hard to believe they would do that.

Maybe trying to stay a step ahead?

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Response to wonderwarthog (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 3, 2019, 11:34 AM

3. That isn't hard to believe at all.

Dubai has been running out of oil since the early 90s. Production has decreased every year since 1991. It has gone from 400,000 bpd to less than 70,000 bpd in that time.

They currently use more oil than they produce and are dependent on energy imports.

This makes perfect sense for them.

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Response to sipow (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 3, 2019, 05:14 PM

6. Thanks


Excellent information!

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Response to Aquila (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2019, 11:27 AM

2. Funny, how these "hydrogen economy" threads

and articles never seem to mention or discuss any economics or financials.

I wish they would throw a few costs and potential revenue figures in once in a while to make it interesting for an amateur economics guy like me.

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Response to fools_gold (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 3, 2019, 01:21 PM

4. yea.. the same idiots who banned 3-wheelers and 100 watt light bulbs are promoting

vehicles powered by 10,000 psi canisters of compressed hydrogen on board.
Ridiculous costs aside, wonder how many people will die before these Einsteins figure it out?

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Response to Aquila (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2019, 01:34 PM

5. I suggest anyone who thinks hydrogen fueled vehicles are a good idea view

this. Start around the 2:00 mark.
And note: HPO tanks are around 2,000 psi. Hydrogen cylinders in these "green" cars are around 10,000 psi... 5X the compressed energy release as the one you will see in the video.
Do you want this shit sitting at a stoplight next to you?
The relentless and reckless promotion of this stuff just for the sake of doing it is beyond reason. forget for a moment the fact that it takes more energy just to produce the hydrogen than you will get back out of it... (its a net loss), if one simply considers the damned public safety risks involved in having one of these cylinders in every vehicle on the road, it becomes ludicrous.
Not to mention... what happens when you put this damned thing in your garage and a solenoid or relay sticks open? that's right, it'll level your house, everyone in it, and likely your neighbors too.


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Response to MumblyPeg (Reply #5)

Sun Feb 3, 2019, 05:16 PM

7. Do you support



Forward progress of any kind?

Asking for a friend...


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Response to wonderwarthog (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 05:37 AM

11. It's just that he knows more about it

Than all the scientists do.
Cars and garages will be exploding all over the world. Thousands of people dying, even people in other houses if there is leak in yours.
Really though, Toyota should hire him. He obviously knows more than everyone else.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 08:15 PM

12. The HORROR!




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Response to MumblyPeg (Reply #5)

Sun Feb 3, 2019, 09:57 PM

8. Hydrogen needs oxygen to ignite

As if Toyota, Honda, Hyundai and Mercedes would release cars that explode.



More ignorance of the topic, rampant in the US, even more on this board.

Does Propane scare you? Do you shake and shiver with fear when you see a Propane truck?



Hydrogen is safer than propane, this is a fact.

You do realize that these cars must go through extensive crash testing to be sold in the US?.

Hydrogen vs. Gasoline Leak and Ignition Test



Toyota shoots 10,000 psi Hydrogen tank with 50 caliber bullet (smaller bullets bounced off)



Hyundai hydrogen NEXO Euro NCAP Safety rating: 5 Stars
https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/hyundai/nexo/33731

Euro NCAP has created the five-star safety rating system to help consumers, their families and businesses compare vehicles more easily and to help them identify the safest choice for their needs.

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Response to Aquila (Reply #8)

Sun Feb 3, 2019, 10:07 PM

9. um... what do you think that stuff is that you are breathing right now?

do you drive your car around in a vacuum?
secondly, this isn't strictly about combustion, it's about 10K PSI steel cylinder in the trunk of your car. It's called compression, not ignition. 10K PSI.. thats 750 bar.
Even if it didn't ignite (which is unlikely), the compression would level your garage and most certainly kill anyone actually sitting in or standing anywhere near the vehicle.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about or dealing with here... or the level of danger involved.
God help you




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Response to MumblyPeg (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 05:30 AM

10. They have tanks that are only 147 psi.

Made of metal hydride. No risk of explosion when damaged, can be used thousands of times.
This is just the beginning. Try to keep up.

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