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Sun Feb 17, 2019, 06:27 PM

Bronze-Age DNA Confirms Babel Dispersion


BY JEFFREY P. TOMKINS, PH.D. * | FRIDAY, JUNE 26, 2015

Scientists used new techniques to sequence 101 ancient human genomes believed to be from Bronze-Age populations in Europe. Their findings indicate a massive migratory influx of genetic diversity just a few thousand years ago. This data also coincides with known language diversification patterns, providing strong evidence for the dispersion of people groups at the Tower of Babel.

The so-called Bronze Age, estimated by secular researchers to span from 1,000 to 3,000 B.C., is thought to be a time of great cultural change due to the diversity of artifacts typically found with ritually buried human skeletons. In this current report, the researchers stated that "the Bronze Age was a highly dynamic period involving large-scale population migrations and replacements, responsible for shaping major parts of present-day demographic structure in both Europe and Asia."1

To put the Bronze-Age theory to the test, a sizeable group of scientists undertook the largest ancient DNA sequencing project to date on 101 different human remains thought to be associated with the Bronze Age era found across Eurasia. In addition, they used a new suite of DNA extraction and sequencing protocols that greatly improved the accuracy of the data and reduced modern human DNA contamination—a major problem in the study of ancient DNA.

Compared to modern Eurasians whose genes have been mixing together for several thousand years, these ancient remains showed a variety of distinct relatively unmixed genetic lineages. This is exactly what one would expect from human DNA sampled immediately after a massive migration that followed a genetic bottleneck. In fact, previous research showed that this type of genetic data also closely correlates with the geographical dispersion and the distribution of languages.2,3 In addition, several other recent studies analyzing the rare variation in the protein-coding regions of modern human genomes, have concluded that the human genome has diversified not more than about 5,000 years ago.4-7

While many evolutionary scientists find such results shocking and contentious in light of their failed historical paradigms, the accumulating data closely aligns with the most accurate ancient history account known to man: the Bible. As indicated in the Bible, humans experienced a genetic bottleneck about 4,400 years ago when the earth began to be repopulated through Noah's family—eight people who survived the global flood aboard the ark.

The Bible also explains that directly after the Flood, mankind disobeyed God's command to replenish and fill the earth. Instead, humans congregated in one geographic location and attempted to re-establish the pre-Flood pagan culture that caused the earth to be filled with violence and wickedness—bringing about God's judgment with the global Flood. Therefore, God confused their language and foiled their rebellious ambitions, forcing them to split off into different people groups and migrate to new regions around the globe. This is the underlying basis of diversity among nations and people groups that we see today—including an explanation for the new genetic data observed in the ancient Eurasian human remains just reported.

References

Allentoft, M. E. et al. 2105. Population genomics of Bronze Age Eurasia. Nature. 522 (7555): 167-174.
Tomkins, J. 2014. Out of Babel—Not Africa. Creation Science Update. Posted on icr.org February 16, 2015, accessed June 22, 2015.
Creanza, N. et al. 2015. A comparison of worldwide phonemic and genetic variation in human populations. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. 112 (5): 1265-1272.
Tomkins, J. 2012. Human DNA Variation Linked to Biblical Event Timeline. Creation Science Update. Posted on icr.org July 23, 2012, accessed June 22, 2015
Tomkins, J. 2013. Genetics Research Confirms Biblical Timeline. Creation Science Update. Posted on icr.org January 29, 2013, accessed June 22, 2015.
Tennessen, J. et al. 2012. Evolution and Functional Impact of Rare Coding Variation from Deep Sequencing of Human Exomes. Science. 337 (6090): 64-69.
Fu, W. et al. Analysis of 6,515 exomes reveals the recent origin of most human protein-coding variants. Nature. 493 (7431): 216-220.
Image credit: Copyright © 2015 N. Shishlina. Adapted for use in accordance with federal copyright (fair use doctrine) law. Usage by ICR does not imply endorsement of copyright holder.

*Dr. Tomkins is Research Associate at the Institute for Creation Research and received his Ph.D. in genetics from Clemson University.

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Reply Bronze-Age DNA Confirms Babel Dispersion (Original post)
nolidad Feb 2019 OP
Micrometer Feb 2019 #1
Cold Warrior Feb 2019 #2
nolidad Feb 2019 #6
SatansSon666 Feb 2019 #10
nolidad Feb 2019 #7
SatansSon666 Feb 2019 #11
nolidad Feb 2019 #8
SatansSon666 Feb 2019 #9
nolidad Feb 2019 #4
Micrometer Feb 20 #16
nolidad Feb 20 #17
Troll2 Feb 2019 #3
nolidad Feb 2019 #5
nolidad Feb 2019 #12
Troll2 Feb 2019 #13
nolidad Feb 19 #14
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Response to nolidad (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2019, 07:10 PM

1. This is not science.

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Response to Micrometer (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 17, 2019, 07:32 PM

2. It's the best that the religious nutz can do

They scan peer-reviewed journals which won’t publish their nonsense in order to develop an argument based upon cherry-picked results. They do no science of their own. They are losers nibbling at the fringes scamming the true believers.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:19 PM

6. Oh you are so cute when you don't have a clue

about what you are babbling about!

If you could substantiate just one of these false charges you made that would be nice. But you can't so you won't so have a nice day!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:58 PM

10. Lol. You have no clue.

About any of it.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:20 PM

7. I hope you never get an MRI!

You would panic cuz that was designed by a religious nutz! Imagine that!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:59 PM

11. So fucking what?

You always trot out rhe mri guy like it's some personal achievement you did yourself.
The guy was a loon.
I bet he didn't get his ideas from the Bible for an mri machine.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:37 PM

8. As you are the self declared expert in cherry picking:

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507

https://www.pnas.org/content/112/5/1265

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22604720

Here are the articles they cite-- so show us from your intellectual prowess just what they cherry picked!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #8)

Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:57 PM

9. WEll just by the abstract of one of them...

We show that the Bronze Age was a highly dynamic period involving large-scale population migrations and replacements, responsible for shaping major parts of present-day demographic structure in both Europe and Asia. 

LARGE SCALE POPULATION MIGRATIONS.

Lmfao..
Poor nolidad

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Response to Micrometer (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:17 PM

4. Don't tell that to the national academy of sciences

or the universities that did the studies that ICR is simply reporting on!

or Natuyre or Science as well

You seem to overlook these were genetic studies done by secular scientists.

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Response to nolidad (Reply #4)

Wed Feb 20, 2019, 12:26 AM

16. Reason & Faith are Irreconcilable

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Response to Micrometer (Reply #16)

Wed Feb 20, 2019, 11:14 AM

17. Says Neil deGrasse Tyson.

Who voted him the final arbiter of this????

Millions would disagree with him by the way! Biblical faith is the height of reason!

But let us assume he is right for a moment.

Then why does he believe in evolution and massive ages?? the dating methods have been empirically demosntrated to be hopelessly flawed as chronometers.

a belief in evolution runs contrary to testable , observable, repeatable provable science.

We have no recorded instance of any mutation adding information to a genome, or increasing the complexity of a genome at any time anywhere! And yet evolution is built upon that very foundation!!!!

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Response to nolidad (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2019, 08:48 PM

3. Too bad that the various bronze age migrations don't start from one place

Plus, there is no evidence that the areas that they spread into were unpopulated, as hypothesized by the gathering of all people around the tower of Babel.

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Response to Troll2 (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:19 PM

5. into europe? No

but they can trace the lineages back to one place!

As a matter of fasct science has shown that all mankind descend from just three genetic trunks!

They had names Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

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Response to Troll2 (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 18, 2019, 04:32 PM

12. But what is more damning is that there is no evidence

of population! You cannot prove a negative.

But if you are interested in history and etymology linguistics and geography, do as very critical study of Genesis 9-11.

Pay attention to the names and then research them out! YOu will find all the ancients lands in the names and how they moved and settled.

It started in the ME first. Then spread radially. So yes it took time for the settlers to get to the further reaches of the Eurasian land mass! Just as archaeology and history shows! So Turkish, Scythian, and northern Africa and the near east would show older civilizations (which they do) and the further our from the ME you go the newer the civilizations appear in the historic record!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #12)

Mon Feb 18, 2019, 05:00 PM

13. Humans started in Africa and dispersed from there in at least two waves

One dispersal was across the Bab al Mandeb, along the Indian Ocean to South India, Andaman Islands, Australia, New Guinea and Melanesia.

Others were to the Levant, thence northeast to Central Asia, north between the Caspian and Black Sea, and northwest via Anatolia and the Balkan Peninsula.

Depending on the climate during the period since the last interglacial warm period, humans moved into northern Eurasia and then south in to refugia from which the again expanded until the Neolithic hunter gatherer period. Nevertheless, most of Eurasia was populated by the beginning of agriculture about 10 kya. Furthermore, migrations by the later Paleolithic hunter gatherers had displaced most of the first migrants into India and southeast Asia west of the Wallace Line, remnants being left among south Indian tribals, Andamanese and other isolated tribes.

Subsequent agricultural migrations include grain farmers out of the ME, grain farmers out of northern China, rice farmers out of southern China, herders out of the Asian steppes, and herders out of the Sahel down the eastern side of Africa.

Meanwhile, except for the expansion of Bantu herders, much of Africans stayed in African and only the North Africans and Berbers represent a back migration from the Middle East.

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Response to Troll2 (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 03:00 PM

14. Yes that is the accepted hypothesis.

More and more archaeologists and paleontologists are turning to a ME starting point!

What is amazing is it is all based on fragmentary history, arcaeological finds with no dating in the finds

fatally flawed radio dating of the finds

That evolution is the fact

and the biblical account of how the tribes of the earth came to be has to be absolutely wrong!

This is not science but dogma posing as science!

Science allows the evidence to lead where it will. More and more scientists are now seeing a ME starting point!

Based on undogmatic science either from a YEC or evolutionary perspective- but just an objective look at evidence only!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #14)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 03:09 PM

15. No they aren't.

The loons are saying that.

The loons are not scientists.

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