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Thu Feb 28, 2019, 04:50 PM

How Old Is Life?


BY JOHN D. MORRIS, PH.D. | THURSDAY, JUNE 01, 2006


According to evolution, life has been on Earth for billions of years. It is common to claim that life originated some three to four billion years ago. Even though spontaneous generation of life has been soundly disproved in every experiment, evolutionists think at least once that non-living chemicals came together on their own, without the aid of any non-natural agency, and formed a living cell, complete with its own genetic code. Under the guidance of these genetic instructions, the cell was capable of life's functions, and reproducing other similar cells with their own similar genetic codes. In this process of code reproduction, mutations may alter the coded content somewhat, so that the detailed instructions vary a little, leading to evolutionary change.

Efforts are underway to push life's origin back into the universe's more distant past, even suggesting that life came to Earth on a meteorite (or spaceship). Speculations of life's "naturalistic" origin long ago and far away seem fueled by man's aversion to being accountable to a "supernatural" Being.

A naturalistic origin of life is evolution's biggest hurdle. Obtaining useful variations of the genetic code seems easy compared to spontaneously obtaining the first genetic code. Even natural selection cannot act on the chemical precursors of life, for it can only choose between living variants as to survivability.

Mutations in existing codes, while they do not speak to the origin of the code, can tell us something about how old life can be. Most mutations are only slightly harmful, but others are acutely harmful. Most of these harmful mutations, whether mild or acute, pass on to the next generation, thus each succeeding generation is more "mutant." Today, the codes mutate at rates much higher than evolution would predict. Evolutionists have long known that if the mutation rate were as high as one per generation in the reproductive line, genetic deterioration would be a certainty. But the measured rate is between 100 to 300 harmful mutations per person that are fixed within the population! (I recommend Dr. John Sanford's new book Genetic Entropy and the Mystery of the Genome.) Mutations are leading, not to evolutionary advancement, but to extinction!

One obvious conclusion we can reach from the observed rate of deterioration is that mankind (or any species on Earth) cannot have been here for millions of years—or it would have already gone extinct. Instead, life appears to have been recently created and cannot last for millions of years into the future.

Cite this article: John D. Morris, Ph.D. 2006. How Old Is Life?. Acts & Facts. 35 (6).

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Response to nolidad (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2019, 04:57 PM

1. Nobody claims "mankind" has been around for millions of years

Homo Sapiens Sapiens (that's us in our current form) is believed to be somewhere between 100,000 and 200,000 years old.

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Response to Bozo Haram (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 28, 2019, 07:51 PM

6. But the hypothesized homo line

is millions of years old!

Empirical research shows that the human genome cannot be that long nor even the 200,000 years old for homo sapien sapien.

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Response to nolidad (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2019, 05:11 PM

2. John Morris is a charlatan.

A loon.
A liar and a lunatic.

A fucking shitty geologist that can't do math worth a fuck and couldn't tell the difference between a gene sequence and a coiled up turd of dog shit.

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Response to nolidad (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2019, 05:12 PM

3. Evolution makes no claim concerning the origin of life.

Evolution is change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations
over successive generations. These characteristics are the expressions of
genes that are passed on from parent to offspring during reproduction.
Different characteristics tend to exist within any given population as a result
of mutation, genetic recombination and other sources of genetic variation.
Evolution occurs when evolutionary processes such as natural selection
(including sexual selection) and genetic drift act on this variation, resulting
in certain characteristics becoming more common or rare within a population.
It is this process of evolution that has given rise to biodiversity at every level of
biological organisation, including the levels of species, individual organisms and molecules.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

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Response to Micrometer (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 28, 2019, 07:55 PM

7. Evolution makes no claims whatsoever- it is a philosophy not a person.

But many many evolutionists make lots of claims concerning th origins of life!

I understand the hypothesis you propose on your post- now show empirical evidence that natural selection, genetic drift et.al. have produced molecules to man!

I have no problem with speciation and variation within a species and even family but there is not one credible tested, repeated, observed piece of evidence that genetic drift and mutations could produce the massive change required (my favorite unanswered one) scales to feathers! Even given millions of years that is mutations that would lead to extinction not progression!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 28, 2019, 09:10 PM

9. The predicted age of life far exceeds the age of the Earth

The predicted age of life far exceeds the age of the Earth, which indicates
that our planet was likely contaminated with living bacteria from the very start.
It is possible that life originated on a planet of another star that exploded and
yielded material for the formation of the solar system. Evolution of advanced
organisms has accelerated via development of additional information-processing
systems: epigenetic memory, primitive mind, multicellular brain, language, books,
and computers. These higher-level systems are characterized by much faster rates
of complexity increase as compared to genome complexity.


https://www.pppl.gov/events/colloquium-estimating-age-life-using-moores-law

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Response to Micrometer (Reply #9)

Fri Mar 1, 2019, 02:29 PM

14. yep that is another hypothesis out there!

trans spermia! All it does is kick the can down the road!

All observations show that everything left to itself goes from higher to lower order!

But all evolutions (cosmic, chemical organic) demand that order comes from disorder!

Heck even study astronomy- they cannot even point to one new star being born! They speculate and guess. but have no empirical evidence that stars are being formed now! Just like Scripture says that God finished creation after 6 days!

Your definition of advanced organism evolution is the definition of intelligent design!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #14)

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 05:47 AM

21. Panspermia/transpermia.

Could be possible.
God is impossible.

Why lie?


Using the Atacama Large Millimetre/submillimetre Array, astronomers observed the birth of a massive star within a dark cloud core, revealing in superb detail the filamentary network of dust and gas flowing into the central compact region of the cloud.

Try reading things other than ICR for once.

Lmfao.

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Response to nolidad (Reply #7)

Fri Mar 1, 2019, 07:30 AM

10. You have to accept speciation.

Or your whole Noah's ark fantasy falls to shit.
Creationists denied speciation until they realized they needed it to explain diversity after the flood.

Speciation is evolution in action.
I repeat.
Speciation IS EVOLUTION.
You say no beneficial mutations but can't explain how 2 bears became all the bears we have today without beneficial mutations.
That and a couple of other things that blow a hole through your bullshit are why you have me on ignore. You couldn't deny those simple facts .

How nolidad? How did 2 bears become all the species of bears in 4000 years without beneficial mutations?
Your own bullshit hypothesis debunks itself because the creationist loons that feed you information are stupid.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #10)

Fri Mar 1, 2019, 08:15 AM

12. Very good reply

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Response to nolidad (Reply #7)

Fri Mar 1, 2019, 08:14 AM

11. You have no problem with speciation.

Speciation is the evolutionary process by which populations evolve to become distinct species.

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Response to Micrometer (Reply #11)

Fri Mar 1, 2019, 02:24 PM

13. Most speciation is via Mendel's Law!

and speciation simply means dogs stay dogs! They do not evolve to cats or chimps or birds or something like that.

Environment can also produce a specialized form of speciation. But nearly all those oarre viable only in the new unique environment (i.e. antibiotic resistant bacteria) Thrive in antibiotics but are less viable in normal environments)
Variations within species that produce new species have never been shown to produce new genera's, families, phyla, orders or kingdoms- and that is what evolution demands!

We also have no observed mutation ever adding new information to a genome or adding complexity to a genome.

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Response to nolidad (Reply #13)

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 05:51 AM

22. Evolution doesn't say dogs will evolve into chimps or birds.

At all.
Dogs will always be dogs.
Even if a new species of canis familiaris evolves, it will still be a dog.
You can't outgrow your heritage.
We will always be mammals. We will always be apes.

You've studied evolution for 10 years, according to you, yet you still so not u Der stand the basic concepts behind what evolution is.

Studied it.. for 10 years. . You claim.
Yet still think evolution says a dog will give birth to a monkey.
unbelievable.

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Response to Micrometer (Reply #11)

Fri Mar 1, 2019, 02:30 PM

15. Now show credible evidence

that unidrected, mindless mutations, have increased complexity and added terabyted of new information to the genome to take us from molecules to man!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #15)

Fri Mar 1, 2019, 03:51 PM

18. Man is molecules.

Everything is atoms and molecules.

But we are not a "water and mineral compound" as you have previously stated.

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Response to nolidad (Reply #15)

Fri Mar 1, 2019, 03:53 PM

19. It's called chemistry. Look it up some time.

Obviously you don't understand chemistry because, well you never have, but that's what life is.

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Response to nolidad (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2019, 06:02 PM

4. more from faux news

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Response to nolidad (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2019, 07:01 PM

5. Harmful Mutations

Most mutations are only slightly harmful, but others are acutely harmful. Most of these harmful mutations, whether mild or acute, pass on to the next generation, thus each succeeding generation is more "mutant."

This is simple wrong. An acutely harmful mutation not only makes it harder for an organism to live long enough to reproduce, it also significantly lowers the odds of attracting a mate. The net result is that most harmful mutations do not get passed on to the next generation.

The process is called "natural selection". Maybe you should read up on it.

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Response to Transcendence (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 28, 2019, 07:59 PM

8. Don't tell the medical scientists that!

There are close to 5,000 named conditions in mankind that are a result of sliughtly to seriously harmful mutations that are passed on!

I have genetic HBP and Cholesterol!

Even with just slightly harmful mutations being passed on- there is the phenomena known as genetic load! That also proves toxic!

Natural selection is not perfect. It tends to cull the inferior out!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #8)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 09:26 PM

20. Those are not serious mutations

From a biological and evolutionary perspective, the only mutations that are harmful are those that prevent an individual from reproducing. As a result, things like high blood pressure and high cholesterol, while detrimental to the individual, are not detrimental to the species.

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Response to Transcendence (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 1, 2019, 02:32 PM

16. But natural selection can only select from what is there! Not what might be there eons from now!

And given that over 99.9% of mutations fall on the harmful side (from barely to toxic) mutations reduce the viability and not increase the viability of a species to survive!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #16)

Fri Mar 1, 2019, 03:49 PM

17. Again, you show an incredible lack of knowledge on the subject.

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