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Sun Mar 3, 2019, 02:30 PM

Are Creationists Biased?


BY JAKE HEBERT, PH.D. * | THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 28, 2019

Creation critics object that creation scientists are biased. Since we seek answers to skeptical objections to the biblical account of creation, this supposedly means our research results are automatically suspect. This argument might seem reasonable at first glance. After all, shouldn’t researchers be completely open-minded and approach their work without any preconceived ideas? Even some intelligent design proponents take pains to claim that unlike “religiously motivated” creationists, their research is purely objective and free of any prior commitments to a particular belief system.

We creationists freely admit that we are firmly convinced the Bible is the inerrant Word of God. And we affirm the book of Genesis provides a literal historical account of origins and Earth history. This conviction motivates the research we do. However, the automatic dismissal of creation research because of “bias” is both unfair and hypocritical.

Our bias is certainly not a license for or an indication of scientific dishonesty. In fact, we have an even stronger motivation for scientific integrity than do secular scientists. God will judge us if we exaggerate or distort the scientific evidence (Romans 14:12; 1 Corinthians 4:2-5).

The problem is not bias per se but unreasonable bias. Which is more reasonable, a pro-creation or a pro-evolution predisposition? Even evolutionists admit that living things look designed.1 Despite decades of intense research, they still have no clue how life began.2 Where is the fossil evidence for evolution? Even evolutionists don’t agree on the handful of supposed transitional forms usually trotted out as evidence for evolution.3 In fact, the very existence of those fossils in water-deposited rocks is exactly what one would expect from the Genesis Flood. So, is it creation researchers who are being unreasonable or is it evolutionists?

Furthermore, some bias is essential to science. Significant scientific results are almost never intuitively obvious. They require hard work and perseverance. And scientists will never bother to do that kind of hard work unless they already suspect that a particular line of research might be successful. But this suspicion of a potential discovery is itself a form of bias.

Creation scientists have already convincingly answered many of the toughest objections of biblical skeptics. For instance, creation researcher Dr. John Baumgardner has done world-class research in sophisticated computer modeling of the Genesis Flood.4 Obtaining those scientific answers required decades of hard work and study. The only people who would even attempt such intense research are scientists already biased in favor of biblical creation.

Hence, it is simply unfair to dismiss creation research based on an accusation of bias. This is part of the self-serving “heads I win, tails you lose” rules of engagement that secular scientists and other skeptics tend to impose on creation researchers. On the one hand, if we don’t yet have an answer to a skeptic’s particular objection, this is seen as evidence that the creation position can’t possibly be taken seriously. On the other hand, if we do find the answer to that question, the very fact that we searched for an answer is seen as evidence of a disqualifying bias.

The issue isn’t whether there’s bias but which bias works best at explaining the evidence. Tweet: The issue isn’t whether there’s bias but which bias works best at explaining the evidence.



Everyone has biases, including evolutionists. Rather than dismissing creationists’ research because of our admitted bias, secular scientists and biblical critics need to take a long hard look at their own biases. As creationists have long pointed out, the issue isn’t whether there’s bias but which bias works best at explaining the evidence.

References

Dawkins, R. 1986. The Blind Watchmaker. New York: W. W. Norton & Co. Cited in Catchpoole, D. 2009. Dawkins and Design. Creation. 31 (3): 6.
Horgan, J. Pssst! Don’t tell the creationists, but scientists don’t have a clue how life began. Scientific American Cross-Check. Posted on blogs.scientificamerica.com February 28, 2011, accessed December 20, 2018.
Thomas, B. 150 Years Later, Fossils Still Don’t Help Darwin. Creation Science Update. Posted on ICR.org March 2, 2009, accessed January 4, 2019.
Baumgardner, J. 2016. Numerical Modeling of the Large-Scale Erosion, Sediment Transport, and Deposition Processes of the Genesis Flood. Answers Research Journal. 9: 1-24.
* Dr. Hebert is Research Associate at the Institute for Creation Research and earned his Ph.D. in physics from the University of Texas at Dallas..

Cite this article: Jake Hebert, Ph.D. 2019. Are Creationists Biased?. Acts & Facts. 48 (3).

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Response to nolidad (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 03:00 PM

1. There are no "Creation Critics"

Because there is no there there. There is no scientific model of Creationism nor credible evidence for it, so there's nothing to criticise. It's pure religion, where you start with a conclusion and then try to work the science backwards (e.g. the speed of light used to be faster) to fit the conclusion. That's no more science than Flat Earthism and it's about as credible.

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Response to Bozo Haram (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 10:20 AM

3. Well if you looked for it, you would find it!

It is not difficult to find!

But what you criticize creationists for doing- evolutionists today do the same- start with their book learned conclusion and then work backward to find the science!

Once again it is not the evidence, nor the science- but it is ones own predisposition.

There is no empirical evidence for molecules to man- just an opinion based on ones worldview.

We have not seen one mutation add complexity or new information to a genome. That is all opinion.

Asd I have always said on these threads-

Creation and the BB/Evolution cannot be proven scientifically! They are both objects of faith based on ones predisposed indoctrination.

But if you want to study the scientific research in the field of Creation Science, you can go to AIG or ICR and study the research papers that accredited scientists wrote after years of field studies, investigation and findings.

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Response to nolidad (Reply #3)

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 11:02 AM

4. You've been lied to about what science is for so long that you believe the lies.

The first people to figure out that there was life eons ago were creationists.
They simply couldn't deny the evidence they discovered.
They didn't lose their faith, they accepted what they saw right in front of their own eyes.

Loons took over the creationist movement and some people just believe their lies.
They lie nolidad. That's all they do.
And you send them money.
Lmfao

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Response to Bozo Haram (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 12:23 PM

5. I would challenge you to a discussion as to which model of origins

is most supported by credible verifiable science!

I suspect your knowledge of creation science is limited to the definitions of critics you have read instead of the work the creation scientists have done.

Darwinian Evolution has never been observed. Its major engine (mutations preserved by natural selection) has never been observed. Mutations that are observed, tested and verified show devolution not evolution!

I will refer again to my favorite challenge here at DI! Evolutionists have declared FACT! not hypothesis, not theory but fact that raptors evolved to birds! But when asked to demonstrate how scales turned to feathers over Xmillenia- only conjecture, speculation and hypothesis. If such an enoprmous genetic change is FACT as evolutionists declare, then you should easily be able to demonstrate this one but very important line of change to support your supposed FACT!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #5)

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 12:52 PM

6. I really don't think there's a point

Thirty years ago, I might have taken you up on it, but I've found such discussions to be an entirely pointless waste of time with no hope of changing the true believer's mind. That goes for flat-earthers, moon hoaxers, 9/11 conspiracy nuts and the like as well. Discussions like this inevitably devolve into pointless Gish gallops, tedious explanations of basic science and definitions which are then ignored and met with more Gish gallops and anomaly hunting. I'll pass.

Again, there IS no theory of scientific creationism: no model exists. It's an assertion, which the creationists use as a starting point for which they then search for evidence to support, no matter how weak, discarding all evidence to the contrary. That's not how science works.

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Response to Bozo Haram (Reply #6)

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 01:03 PM

7. I challenged him to a live debate.

And we could link the broadcast here.

He never replied.
That was before he had me on ignore too.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #7)

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 01:38 PM

8. I thought of using that famous line by Lord May

"That would look great on your CV, not so great on mine".

Still, he undoubtedly feels he's bravely routed another Evilutionist (sic) who was afraid to debate him and will be telling them all about it in church next Sunday. You really can't win.

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Response to Bozo Haram (Reply #8)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 03:20 PM

23. Well as you appear to be unable to discuss science here

and just fling your not so thinly veiled ad-homs, you are correct. Debating you would be a grand waste of time.

No, I don't notch my belt with people who are unwilling to debate and prefer to hide behind insults. I choose to pray for you instead.

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Response to nolidad (Reply #23)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 08:45 AM

66. You choose to pray instead.

How's that working out for you?

More and more people toss religion away every day. More and more accept science than ever.
Your prayers are useless.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #66)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 05:46 PM

67. I hope more people toss religions aside!

Religion never saved a soul! but a relationship with Jesus is what matters and makes the practice of true religion fulfilling to the max!

I accept science- which is why I discard big E evolution! Because it fails the test of science at every level .

Can't observe it, can't test it, can't repeat it, can't even show how mutations change a scal;e to a feather randomly without any intelligence behind it! But you BELIEVE it anyway! That is the true definition of religion! Holding onto a belief without empirical evidence!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #67)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 03:42 AM

70. I don't believe it.

I accept it.
I can see it. That really helps when accepting something.
I can change my mind, you can't. Religion and creationism is your identity. It's part of you, a big part. You'll never change your mind regardless of what evidence is shown to you.
I'd change mine because I live in reality, not by ancient man-made superstition.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #70)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 06:49 AM

71. See you do not pay attention at all!

Religion means little to me! Jesus means all to me!

I could leave my "religion" (Baptist) in a heartbeat if my church veered away from Jesus!

Creation is not my identity- it is simply how God called everything into existence.

YOu however are bound to evolutionism because the alternative-Divine Creation holds you accountable to the living god and you do not want that!

If you can see big E evolution- share it with the world! You would be the first one who actually observed one genera of creature change to another!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #71)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 07:01 AM

74. You don't have to physically see something happen to know it happened.

Right?

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #7)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 03:14 PM

21. Well just pulled you off ignore!

Anytime you want to debate me- I am willing!

I do not fear what you can present nor the experts you could bring to a debate.

So how do you wish to arrange this? I must have misses that challenge.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #27)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 06:01 PM

29. Well give me good times for you

andf if we can find a match- let us go at it.

One rule though- no ad-hominems or straw men. f you disagrtee with something say why! Not just that is "loon" stuff!

I want to debate not spend a bunch of time listening to you run a bunch of people down!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #29)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 06:04 PM

31. Well, I would have to explain why they are loons.

If I make any logical fallacies like a strawman, you would be free to point them out.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #31)

Sat Mar 9, 2019, 06:49 PM

43. If you stick to verifiable science facts that show them wrong, fine.

But if it is you r standard ad-hominem attacks- it will end up being a short lived debate.

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Response to nolidad (Reply #43)

Sun Mar 10, 2019, 07:56 AM

45. We'll see.

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Response to Bozo Haram (Reply #6)

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 02:00 PM

9. So the great wise Bozo Haram has pontificated

and we must bow down to your self proclaimed intellectual superiority!

YOu have supplied all the typical answers that the intellectual lazy love to vomit out!

Love to criticize and make drive by accusations, but will not stand and defend their sputum!

Once again, true, verifiable supported by research science lends more credibility to the model of Creation than the model of the Big Bang and Evolution through random mutation preserved by natural selection.

Personally, I think you fear finding out that what I just wrote is true!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #9)

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 07:28 PM

12. Go talk to an astrologer, a homeopath, a flat-earther, or a 9/11 truther

You'll quickly find out why debating some people is a complete waste of time.

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Response to Bozo Haram (Reply #12)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 12:35 PM

15. For the 9/11 Truther, our Creationist friend can talk to himself

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #15)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 06:04 PM

30. Well I presented the evidence

signed offf on by scientists who actually researched the debris and videos and interviewed over 100 eyewitnesses and spoke ot experts in all th fields surrounding the 9/11 event!

I do not know what the full scope of 9/11 truthers believe, but I am convinced that the planes did not take down the two towers, nor random fires take down the 3rd WTC building. It was and still is scientifically impossible.

If you wish to prove me wrong instead of just posting smilies- you have the floor!

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Response to Bozo Haram (Reply #12)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 03:38 PM

24. Well iut appears that you add to that list

someone talking about life using scientific principles as well!

Yes I believe that teh Bible is true! Yes YEC scientists go out and look at the earth and life! They contend that if the bible is true, observable, repeatable verifiable science should lend support to those things in the past and verify things today!

I will give one example- Radio dating!

YEC scientists were the laughing stock of the evolutionist world when they openly declared something was wrong with radio dating. It appeared that it was a proven hard core fact that life was millions of years and the earth over 4 billion years old! They were called deniers, flat earthers amongst teh more polite things.

But they held their ground and were patient. NOw? both secular and YEC scientists have empirically shown that radio dating is a totally unreliable method of establishing ages of ancient things!

Over 100 samples of soft tissue from things as old as 500 million years also have shown these long ages are foolish. The rescue devices used by the seculkar wqorld have not been tested, observed nor verified yes they are peer approved and published as if they are fact!

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Response to Bozo Haram (Reply #6)

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 02:12 PM

10. Funny about your point!

For I also think that just arguments about the evidence both sides see and use will change the true acolytes of evolution! The devotees of evolution use Hawkins harangues (you have demonstrated several). Basic science is not in question by the hypotheses that mutations acting in a way never observed could produce the countless changes required by the hypoitheses of evolution to ever happen!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #10)

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 02:34 PM

11. You'd totally lose a live debate to anyone.

It would be hilarious.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #11)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 06:05 PM

32. Well I am game if you are!

Are you willing to see igf your above hypothesis has any validity to it or just a bunch of hot air!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #32)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 06:06 PM

33. I know your arguments so good, I could write them for you.

Pick a topic.
We'll set it up.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #33)

Sat Mar 9, 2019, 12:47 PM

38. Evolution by random mutation and the evidence for it vs. Special creation

as defined by Creation Scientists.

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Response to nolidad (Reply #38)

Sat Mar 9, 2019, 01:51 PM

41. OK. When?

A Saturday evening would be best for me.
I'm on Eastern time.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #41)

Sat Mar 9, 2019, 06:47 PM

42. Well Next Saturday I have my kids coming so it would have to be the 23rd of March

Do I need to get a web cam?

I work that day so after 5:30 PM. Name the time and let me know how to get on the site that allows us to live debate.

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Response to nolidad (Reply #42)

Sun Mar 10, 2019, 07:59 AM

46. Don't need a Webcam.

I'd like to be able to post pics during it if possible. I haven't checked those sites out for how they work but I'll figure that part out if you want.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #46)

Sun Mar 10, 2019, 01:31 PM

48. Thanks, I didn't even know sites like that existed!

My knowledge of computing is limited to what I need to do my stuff only!

Just let me know what Saturday is good and then let us agree on rules.

As far as I am concerned, you can have others join in the debate. I havew folks interested in listening in and lots of people praying to my "big sky daddy"!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #48)

Sun Mar 10, 2019, 01:42 PM

49. It doesn't have to be a Saturday. Early evening is better if it isn't Saturday.

I go to bed early and get up around 4am every day except Sunday and Thursday. We'll work that out.
I'll check out the sites. I never used them before or anything either.

Yes, I hope all your friends listen. I don't care who is able to listen. I won't invite anyone to listen but I'll link it here for the discussionists.
They can pray all they want, they could be praying for the starving children but I guess praying for you to do good in a debate is better.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #49)

Sun Mar 10, 2019, 02:05 PM

51. Yes I need lolts of prayer!!!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #48)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 07:57 AM

65. I don't care about rules.

I just want this to be a discussion and not an debate.
No need for a moderator or timing anything.
Not gonna let you gish-gallop your way through. I want to be able to call you out as you make your claims, not try to debunk 20 of them that you spout out during your "turn" within a specified time period.

Also. If this is about biological evolution to explain the diversity of species, I won't be replying to anything other than your evidence that it was all created, except to force you to stay on topic.

No big bang.
No stellar formation.
No abiogenesis etc..
You'll only be talking to yourself if you bring anything else up other than what we agree on.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #65)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 05:51 PM

68. That is fine

I am interested in delving deep into one topic.

I will avoid "gish -gallops" and I will call you out when you go into your "Dawkins-degeneracy".

You : " I won't be replying to anything other than your evidence that it was all created,"

Well you will be waiting a long time! If you ever bothered listening to me instead of the caricature of me you created, you would have seen multiple times that science cannot prove divine creation, nor can it prove Big E evolution of molecules to man!

I have repeatedly said here over and over and over and over and over again that empirical science lends for more support for the biblical account of origins than molecules to man!

I will gladly let you call me out on errors! As I will to you! But just know if you act in the live discussion like you do on these threads and just want to hurl all your foul epithets and ad-hominems and straw men- it will be a very short discussion.

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Response to nolidad (Reply #68)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 03:37 AM

69. I'm not gonna insult you.

I'll probably laugh though.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #69)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 06:51 AM

72. That is fine.

I have been mocked by many and it is no skin off my teeth.

But if you go after creation scientists- support them with facts. I am not interested in giving you a platform for ad-homs against anybody!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #72)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 07:04 AM

76. The fact is, they aren't scientists.

Not anymore.
They are loons now.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #76)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 04:22 PM

77. Don't you tire of being a puppet and lapdog?

Dawkins, Coyne and Miller et. al vomit out those false statements and you faithfully lick it up, digest it and then vomit it out here!

I would say most of your posts are irrelevant, but that would insult irrelevant posters everywhere.

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Response to nolidad (Reply #77)

Thu Mar 14, 2019, 07:12 AM

80. Dawkins?

I don't listen to Dawkins anymore than I listen to you.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #80)

Thu Mar 14, 2019, 01:01 PM

83. Well you have absorbed his childish behavior perfectly.

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Response to nolidad (Reply #83)

Thu Mar 14, 2019, 02:35 PM

85. I'm not the one that believes in fairy tales.

With talking donkeys and a floating zoo.
So your little insult is just more projection again on your part.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #85)

Thu Mar 14, 2019, 03:44 PM

87. No you believe in science fiction!

Nothing existed for ALL ETERNITY

One day NOTHING suddenly blew up (what does it look like when nothing blows up)

That nothing became something and created everything!

Life came from non life.

Life started as a molecule and proceeded to man.

All this happened by undirected, unplanned, undesigned random mutations!

All we see and observe about mutations is that they degrade species and generas not improve them!

Major award winning evolutionist geneticists say mutations degrade not upgrade!

At least I know My Redeemer lives and cares for me. sorry about yours.



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Response to nolidad (Reply #87)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 03:56 AM

90. Nope. I accept it.

Can't get your head around the difference can you?

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #90)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 06:38 AM

91. I know you accept this religious dogma!

Doesn't make it any truer, but I know it is part of your belief system.

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Response to nolidad (Reply #91)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 06:46 AM

93. It's not a belief system.

You are projecting again.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #93)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 05:15 PM

95. It is but you are terrified of accepting that!

YOu believe i things you cannot see, cannot demonstrate, can not observe and cannot prove!

you believe that things happened in the past that go against what we see today!

It is a belief system that masquerades as real science!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #95)

Sat Mar 16, 2019, 04:23 AM

96. You are projecting again.

Right down to the list line.
You described yourself and your religious movement to a T.
Congratulations.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #96)

Sat Mar 16, 2019, 05:21 PM

97. Actually both, but then again Christians are called to think.

You on the other hand swallow whatever ejaculate your high priest spew out in the name of science without bothering to investigate!

And the difference is- we know ou rRedeemer on a personal level. So when you laugh and mock we are saddened because you allow yourself to be a puppet and not even realize you are a puppet!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #97)

Sat Mar 16, 2019, 05:25 PM

98. I do investigate.

I read papers and other relevant things.
You quote the bible and fucking ICR.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #98)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 02:55 PM

99. Maybe you do, but no one hear could testify to it!

You do not like to post science! Just ad-homs, swears, and puff out your chest like a third grader!

Yes I love quoting gods Word, I love quoting ICR, AIG, CRS, NWCI, and other places where award winning scientists post lots of empirical information instead of opinions.

I even read loads and loads of stuff from evolutionism and the acolytes who post there hawking their belief system!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #99)

Mon Mar 18, 2019, 03:51 AM

100. They look for things in other people work.

Pretending a geologist is a geneticist isn't being scientific.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #100)

Mon Mar 18, 2019, 03:55 PM

101. Poor devill boy!

You and Alicia Silverstone co star as clueless!!!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #101)

Mon Mar 18, 2019, 07:05 PM

102. Well, ICR has loons reporting out of their fields constantly.

Maybe you should pay more attention.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #102)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 09:31 AM

103. Maybe you should learn how they do their reporting!

Then you would not sound so ignorant!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #103)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 09:36 AM

104. Why?

When a dude with a masters in biotechnology is yapping about geology or paleontology he's nothing more than a blogger.
Bloggers aren't scientists.

Technically, my masters in inorganic chemistry qualifies me to blog about cosmology and biology at ICR.

They'd probably hire me, but I'm not a liar so I'm not qualified.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #33)

Sat Mar 9, 2019, 12:48 PM

39. If you know my arguments so well you could write them,

maybe you should debate yourself! Nah, you would still lose!!!!

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Response to nolidad (Original post)

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 05:43 AM

2. At least he admits he is.

I guess that means something. No it doesn't, just kidding.

He projects his faults onto the people that aren't and actually know what the fuck they are doing.
Hebert is a loon and an idiot.
Congratulations.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 03:43 PM

25. And yet you cannot put two sane sentences together to do anything

to rebut him. If he was such a loon, your superior intellect should show WHY he is a loon. But you don't and you won't and you can't.

Once again there is not one verified example of one genera changing to another by random undirected mutations!
YOu cannot even verify the latest supposed evolutionary leap of faith- apes to men!

I challenged you for months to show scales to feathers and the best you could come up with was "loons" and given enough time it COULD happen. If that is what you consider a scientific argument---W"OW!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #25)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 05:29 PM

26. Scales to feathers.. again..

Lmao

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #26)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 06:06 PM

34. Well your side has declared it a FACT!!!!!

You believe it true, yet you have yet to show any evidence it took place other than maybes, could bes and given enough time it could have! Doesn't sound like science but fairy tales to a sane person.

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Response to nolidad (Reply #34)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 06:09 PM

36. You really should keep up with the science.

Not the loons.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #36)

Sat Mar 9, 2019, 12:49 PM

40. I do!

That is why I keep asking- because no one < NO ONE who is an evolutionist can validate any methodology that transformed scales to feathers. They know it is a fact, they just can't show how or why it happened! Hard hitting science--NOT!

Best that all those superior intellects have been able to come up with is transplanting the gene for feathers in an alligator and it growing into an elongated scale! Wow Every prosecuting attorney would cherish defense attorneys presenting such powerful evidence as this!

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Response to nolidad (Original post)

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 08:21 PM

13. Do you share Herbert's beliefs?

Specifically his assertion that the Bible is the inerrant Word of God?

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Response to Transcendence (Reply #13)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 07:43 AM

14. In its original autographs and faithful reproductions?

Absolutely!!!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #14)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 04:45 PM

16. Then a quick question for you

If someone handed you a book and said "this book contains the inspired, inerrant words of God", what tests would you perform to validate or invalidate that claims?

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Response to Transcendence (Reply #16)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 07:10 PM

17. Well that is difficult to answer but I will try.

Many parts are solely based on faith so must be accepted by faith (soteriology, angelology, demonolgy, eschatology, theology) etc.

But when the bible speaks of history- then seek to validate its claims best as possible.

when speaks of science- use the scientific method to verify its claims.

I know you are building to something- so jujst ask the question or make the claim and save time!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #17)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 07:58 PM

18. Thanks

I'm glad to see you said that many parts are solely based on faith. I'm curious if you were brought up in a particular faith or if you came into it later in life.

For myself, I was raised in an Evangelical faith (Baptist) and probably believed in many of the same things that you do until I was about 22. The change for me came from studying Philosophy in college, and when I came to the conclusion that the bible was not the inerrant word of God I committed myself to believing only in the things that could be 'proven' by scientific method. It took a few years, but eventually realized that the set of things that can be known for certain is terribly small and largely unhelpful with regard to what is really important.

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Response to Transcendence (Reply #18)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 07:47 AM

19. I was raised Catholic, abandoned that faith

went through Satanism then atheism. For two years, I lived a life of a real hellion! Hade an Aunt who was praying for me and every Friday fasting for my salvation!

Then when I was 20, I asked her to pray with me, that if God loved me as she said, He would save me. I still wasn't sure He existed, but she was sure. Slowly but surely He revealed Himself to me (I started perusing the Bible) and then I just fell in love with Him.

I went from a hard core evolutionist, to a theistic evolutionist, to progressive creationist to YEC. All through researching natural phenomena through the lens of the scientific method! What helped push me over the edge was an ICR seminar I attended and they showed why evolution is scientifically and physically impossible .And while we cannot prove God created in 6 literal days- the evidence that is verifiable and observable lends more support for a young earth than old earth. The more I study science, the more I see the impossibility that "macroecolution" cold ever take place, even if given an extra 50 billion years! The evidence speaks against it!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #19)

Thu Mar 7, 2019, 06:46 AM

20. You should have told your aunt to leave you alone.

It's her fault that you deny science and embrace ridiculous fairy tales like noahs ark as truth. Starving herself once a week to save your soul. What an incredibly intelligent woman she must have been.

All that by 20 years old.
Lmao

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #20)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 03:17 PM

22. She was incredibly intelligent.

In things you are clueless about!

How little you know of faith in Jesus. It was not her fault, but the Lords fault! He is the one who acted on her prayers and called me to Himself.

And no she did not get me to believe in Noahs Ark. it was science that got me to believe the account as written in Scripture is in fact historical and not mythological like I believed for years!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #22)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 05:34 PM

28. Science got you to believe in Noah's ark?

That's a good one.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #28)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 06:08 PM

35. It is a good one!

But the science is there for all to see.

The only thing that keeps you from recognizing the facts is your worldview that you have been indoctrinated in.

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Response to nolidad (Reply #35)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 06:10 PM

37. I haven't been indoctrinated into anything.

Anyone that looks at the evidence from every relevant field of science can clearly see there was no fucking global flood.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #37)

Sat Mar 9, 2019, 06:53 PM

44. You can't see you have been indoctrinated but everyone is!

I agree with you there was no ******* global flood, but there was a watery global flood and the evidence shows of catastrophe on every continent including Antarctica.

The fact we have coal beds, oceans of oil, fossil beds and strata of sedimentary rock on every continent speaks of catastrophe!

The secularist says different catstrophes at different times , but the Creationist sees the continent wide sedimentary layers as one catstrophe as has been proven empirically by many local catastrophes!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #44)

Sun Mar 10, 2019, 08:02 AM

47. The creationist sees what he wants to see.

The modern creationist anyway.

The people that figured out there were different times with different animals all now extinct were creationists.
They expected to find evidence for a flood.
Seperste Sedimentary layers of different types of rock with different fossils that never cross into other layers isn't evidence of a global flood.
It's pretty simple.

Just look at all these nice layers with everything separated in ascending order.
Lmao.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #47)

Sun Mar 10, 2019, 02:03 PM

50. Very few were creationists. They were naturalists for the most part

And those that were creationists were creationists in name only! Get honest with history.

Maybe you should get a textbook on flood geology and learn something! Yes flood geology or the dynamics of hydraulic sortation is a field of study in geology. Not Noahs flood, but the dynamics of flood on the natural world!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #50)

Sun Mar 10, 2019, 02:52 PM

52. Not Noahs flood, but the dynamics of flood on the natural world!

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Response to Micrometer (Reply #52)

Sun Mar 10, 2019, 06:00 PM

53. Well your evolutionary

neo-catastrophists cannot explain continent wide sedimentary layers. Even multi-continent sedimentary layers!

They can only speculate how sea animals are found by the millions hundreds of miles inland!

But let me ask you this. I will trust your integrity to not look up the answer.

How are permineralized fossils formed???

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Response to nolidad (Reply #53)

Sun Mar 10, 2019, 08:26 PM

54. You said to study the natural world, not teh Noah myth.

Not Noah's flood, but the dynamics of flood on the natural world.

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Response to Micrometer (Reply #54)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 06:46 AM

58. Yes I did!

Then when you look at the sedimentary layers that span continents you realize there was a global catastrophe!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #58)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 07:44 AM

64. Nope.

Your understanding of the formation of strata is limited to what you read from the loons.
The loons don't understand it either.

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Response to nolidad (Reply #53)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 03:45 AM

56. They know why. They don't speculate.

The loons tell you they speculate.
The loons lie. All the time.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #56)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 04:23 PM

78. If you bothered to read or listen to their seminars,

you would stop sounding so incredibly benighted.

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Response to nolidad (Reply #78)

Thu Mar 14, 2019, 07:13 AM

81. I've watched the loons.

That's how I know they are loons.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #81)

Thu Mar 14, 2019, 01:05 PM

84. Well we know that anyone who wants to live according to God

Who believes in God
Who goes to a bible believing church
And believes the parts of the bible that deal with science.

You consider therm loons! So I am in fine fine honorable company!!!!!

YOu on the other hand cannot even demonstrate a simple FACT (as the evolutionist high priests have decreed)
that scales evolved into feathers!!!!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #84)

Thu Mar 14, 2019, 02:47 PM

86. Lmao

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Response to Micrometer (Reply #52)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 06:48 AM

60. BTW

do you know what it takes to make a permineralized fossil?

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Response to nolidad (Reply #60)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 07:42 AM

63. It doesn't matter.

You asked me to name the 3 ways fossils can form before and I told you your question was erroneous.

Your knowledge is severly lacking in fossil formation. That's what happens when you get info from biased loons.

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Response to nolidad (Reply #50)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 03:43 AM

55. They believed in creation and Noah's flood.

They thought they would find evidence of it.

At least you admit modern creationists don't care about the evidence and that makes them real creationists.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #55)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 06:45 AM

57. Lying again as usual!

No they care deeply about evidence.

Just like modern evolutionists believe in evolution lock stock and barrel and search for evidence to buttress evolution.

YOu are just not honest enough to admit that evolutionists do the exact same thing as creationists do. No evolution believing scientist enters the work field trying to prove evolution.
they think it is proved already! They are just looking for more evidence of transitions YOu forget that there is a whole body of field research on creation science.

And there is enormous evidence for a global flood.

They even wrote a 600 page textbook on the evidence for a global flood based on research by hydrologists and geologists.

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Response to nolidad (Reply #57)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 07:39 AM

61. You're projecting again.

Scientists studying evolution came to a conclusion from evidence. As did 19th century creationists, but they quickly realized it simply never happened due to the evidence THEY discovered.
That's not a lie. That's a fact. Something you care little about.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #47)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 06:47 AM

59. And modern evolutionists see what they were taught to see!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #59)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 07:40 AM

62. Nope. Objectively verifiable evidence is what is seen.

You're projecting again.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #62)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 06:52 AM

73. And that is why evolution is not science

For their is no objectively verifiable evidence that is view able!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #73)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 07:03 AM

75. There is tons of verifiable evidence.

You either ignore it or believe the loons when they tell you there isn't.
It's a serious character flaw.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #75)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 04:26 PM

79. See, here is your game!

You say there is a ton of evidence, then fail to post it! you make a generic statement about it, and if anyone dares disagrees with the evolutionist belief system--they are loons!

Fossils do not prove evolution! They dso not show the random undirected unplanned mutations that are required to change molecules to man!

Even your puppet masters know that is true!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #79)

Thu Mar 14, 2019, 07:16 AM

82. Fossils do show it.

There is tons of evidence

Man is made up of molecules.
It isn't "molecules to man".

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #82)

Thu Mar 14, 2019, 03:51 PM

88. Well my slow witted friend

"molecules to man" is a figure of speech. I forgot you don't know how to speak colloquially.

For being tons of evidence you can't seem to find any to post.

Remember evolution happens supposedly when mutations add new information and increases complexity in a creature and more mutations are added until a fish becomes an amphibian and an amphibian becomes a reptile and a reptile becomes a bird!

Teh hypothesis of evolution says mutations are preserved by natural selection! Without mutations you have no evolution! Mutations occur on teh genetic level- so show the mutations!

Fosillized bones and imprints and bugs in amber just simply show a certain creature with that skeletal structure lived!

There may be a superficial claim that mutations changed it over time(but not deep time- that has been empirically proven false).

But what can be tested, repeated and observed about mutations go against teh requirements of evolution.

So shjow how mutations in the past where we can't test show improving creatures enough to change their phyla, order, family and genus!

Other wise all you have are devotees of evolutionism inferring that because they see a change in skeletal structure, they BELIEVE that mutations caused one kind of creature to change to another kind!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #88)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 03:55 AM

89. How can you show mutations in fossils?

You can't.
Dim-witted indeed, Mr. 162 IQ.


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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #89)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 06:43 AM

92. See you are right!

There is no empirical evidence of evolution! Think that through! You cannot show that mutations occurred to bring anything about!

All fossils do is show that a creature lived. It says nothing about its past or present!

What we can know and prove about mutations goes against the religion of evolution and its dogma that "positive" mutations occurred in such massive numbers in the unseen past as to cause "molecules to man".

We have never seen random mutations even cause speciation. All observed changes fall within Mendels law!

Remember we are not talking generic mutation which means any change (for you are a mutation of your parents generically) but deliberate alteration of the genome to introduce previously foreign information to a genome!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #92)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 06:48 AM

94. Tons of evidence.

You just can't accept it.
You think you know more about what science is than everyone else, you don't. You never will.
Even with your self-proclaimed 162 IQ.

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