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Tue Jun 4, 2019, 09:12 PM

Sun Has 'Reached Solar Minimum'; Surface Ominously Calm...

The surface of the sun is normally a roiling, super-heated hellscape.

But Nasa images have revealed that the face of our star is looking ominously calm right now, prompting claims it’s reached a stage of its cycle called the solar minimum.

During the minimum, there are significantly fewer sunspots and its magnetic field weakens, allowing cosmic rays from outside our solar system to rain down on Earth.

This doesn’t tend to pose a threat to anyone here on Earth, but it’s risky for astronauts and satellites outside our atmosphere.

The website Space Weather wrote: ‘The sun has been without spots for 16 consecutive days–a sign that Solar Minimum is underway.

‘Many people think Solar Minimum is uninteresting. Not so.

‘This phase of the solar cycle brings extra cosmic rays and long-lasting holes in the sun’s atmosphere.’

Climate change deniers often hail this cooling as evidence that the heating of our world is about to go into reverse.

Sadly, this is very unlikely to be true because the sun follows an 11-year cycle, meaning it will simply spring back to life in the coming years.

However, once activity ramps up, the sun will be rocked by an increased number of gigantic ‘monster’ explosions, Nasa warned last week.


Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2019/06/04/sun-reached-solar-minimum-surface-ominously-calm-9805282/?ito=cbshare

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 06:20 AM

1. So, this calm is on an 11 year cycle

Yet this time i’m expected to believe that it is “ominous” this time around?
Why?

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Response to Feed-the-Bears (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 07:20 AM

2. people like to make a big deal about everything these days.

Most of them don't understand it.
They read a blog by someone who pretends to understand it, filled with hyperbole and opinion, and then believe them and perpetuate the bullshit.
Mainstream news isn't immune from this either.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 11:31 PM

44. Yeah, we know

Only you and a handful of real scientists truly know what's happening.

Everybody else is just stupid

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Response to oflguy (Reply #44)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 04:18 AM

45. More than a handful of scientists know.

Not calling anyone stupid. Just misguided.
Some people like to believe loons because they are too lazy to learn the facts and in some ways it makes them feel smart to believe they are onto something actual scientists haven't figured out.
It's cute, if you're 8 years old.
Some people don't mind being laughingstocks either. Like creationists, endorsers of pseudoscience, fact and science deniers, conspiracy theorists, flat-earthers, anti-vaxxers, moon hoaxers.
How many of those describe you?

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #45)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 08:49 AM

46. If they were real scientists

They would have gone back to the drawing board and come up with a new theory after the one they proposed the first time failed big time, as they projected outrageous warming that never happened. They didn't, and that proves they have two agendas, which is to defraud the government of grant money and to advance their anti-capitalism crusade.

There are far fewer of them than you and others think there are. Others in the field are simply afraid of bucking the system because they are benefiting from the money also. Do you have any idea how much money that is annually?

There is an old saying, money talks. And if you are a politician that hates capitalism like so many on the left do, you are going to make sure these bloodsuckers and cowards continue to be funded.

Instead of changing their models, they have come up with all sorts of excuses as to why their original models failed.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #46)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 09:31 AM

47. more conspiracy nonsense.

Now you are claiming scientists that know they are wrong are just in it for the money..
Lmfao.
Trust me, if you knew anything about science and the scientific method you'd understand that proving a theory wrong is what it's all about.
Co2 forcing has been known for over a hundred years. It has been proven over and over again.

Try reading real scientific research instead of the cherry-picking loins that have no clue what the are talking about.

You can't debunk a damn thing anyway. You still don't even understand how co2 works.
Some loon convinced you it's a scam and you fell for it hook, line and sinker.
Sad.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #47)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 09:43 AM

48. There is going to come a day when you realize what a fool you have been

And its going to hit you hard

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Response to oflguy (Reply #48)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 09:49 AM

49. The day after Jesus comes back I imagine.

Lmfao..

And no being wrong won't "hit me hard".
I understand the science.
You don't.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #49)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 08:57 PM

54. Please be specific

What science do I not understand?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #54)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 09:09 PM

55. All of it, apparently.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #55)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 09:11 PM

56. Yeah, that's what I thought you'd say

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Response to oflguy (Reply #56)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 09:41 PM

57. Yeah, because you know it yourself.

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 10:02 AM

3. Interesting.

So you admit the sun affects our climate.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 11:05 AM

4. everyone does.

Who says the sun doesn't effect our climate?

Some loons think it's the only thing that effects it and those loons are also wrong.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 11:11 AM

5. Many of you science deniers

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who never even consider the variable effects the sun has on our weather

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Response to oflguy (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 11:18 AM

6. nah. we've only calculated solar irradiance and can tell

How much earth will receive a million years from now.
Scientists don't know shit about solar irradiance.

So answer the question.

Who is saying the sun doesn't effect earth's climate?

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 11:20 AM

7. Now you are denying your fellow science deniers?

beautiful

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Response to oflguy (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 11:22 AM

8. That doesn't make sense.

Who is saying solar irradiance doesn't effect earth's climate?

Science deniers?
Be more specific.
Poor roflguy

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 11:38 AM

9. Name me one, just ONE climate model that accounts for the variance of sun spots

and solar storms.

I'll wait for your answer



Global warming is not due to the sun, confirms leaked IPCC report

It's important to note that so far virtually all scientific research on GCRs has shown that they are not effective at seeding clouds and thus have very little influence over the Earth's temperature. In fact, as Zeke Hausfather has noted, the leaked IPCC report specifically states this:
"...there is medium evidence and high agreement that the cosmic ray-ionization mechanism is too weak to influence global concentrations of or their change over the last century or during a solar cycle in any climatically significant way."

Rawls also provides the following quote from the IPCC report (emphasis added):
"There is very high confidence that natural forcing is a small fraction of the anthropogenic forcing. In particular, over the past three decades (since 1980), robust evidence from satellite observations of the TSI and volcanic aerosols demonstrate a near-zero (–0.04 W m–2) change in the natural forcing compared to the anthropogenic AF increase of ~1.0 ± 0.3 W m–2."

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/dec/14/global-warming-sun-leaked-ipcc-report

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Response to oflguy (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 11:41 AM

10. it's funny when you can't even understand what you've copy/pasted.

Sad, but funny too.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #10)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 11:46 AM

11. I know, I know, I'm a big stupidass

But I'm still waiting...………...

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Response to oflguy (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 11:50 AM

12. nah. you aren't a stupidass.

Just easily fooled by the loons.

What are you waiting for?

You still haven't told me who says the sun doesn't effect earth's climate.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #12)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 11:52 AM

13. How many more examples do you need?

I'M easily fooled?



still waiting for you to name a climate model that takes into account the variable effects of the sun

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Response to oflguy (Reply #13)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 11:58 AM

14. you still haven't told me who says the sun doesn't effect climate.

Unless you think your copy pasta does.
.you'd be wrong there as well.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #14)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 12:07 PM

15. Silly, when you ignore the sun's variations on the earth

You are ignoring the sun

Global Warmers think everything is constant, and should remain constant, you included.

it isn't. Weather, sun spots, ocean currents, ice coverage at the poles, evaporation of water, cloud formation, they all change and have for millions of years.

Still waiting for the name of that computer model

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Response to oflguy (Reply #15)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 12:16 PM

16. still can't name anyone who says the sun doesn't effect climate.

Have a good day.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #16)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 12:43 PM

17. Are you denying that variations in the sun have no effect on the earth's climate?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #17)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 12:47 PM

18. I already said that nobody believes that.

Why are you lying about what I said?
I get it, it's all you got. You have to lie about other peoples words when you refuse to answer a simple question.

No, they don;t take solar irradiance into account at all..

lmfao..


poor roflguy

Now look at the picture and read your copypasta again and tell me if it still says what you think it says.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #18)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 12:56 PM

19. Why are you lying about what I said?

The IPCC has you completely fooled

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Response to oflguy (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 01:06 PM

20. IPCC? Man, didn't take you long to pull them out.

Falling back to your old tired shit pretty fast lately.
Have you ever even seen me post anything about the IPCC?


look at the picture again.


You do know what a "component" is... right?
an anomaly?
Internal variability?

Now read your copypasta again, look at the picture and tell me if what you posted says what you think it says and if you still think it answered my question: Who is saying that the sun doesn't effect the climate?

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #20)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 11:15 PM

22. I knew you couldn't name a global warming model

that takes variations in sun activity into account.

How can they? Models extrapolate climate into the future.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #22)

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:21 AM

26. I just showed you components of a model that includes the sun.

What do you think is included in that component?
Solar irradiance.
What do you think are the components of solar irradiance?

Really dude.
you need to bone up.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #26)

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 01:04 PM

27. That's not a model, silly

Really, dude

The topic is models

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #20)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 11:19 PM

24. The IPCC are the gods of global warmers

They write the global warming bible and you are just one of their useful idiots

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #18)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 03:06 PM

50. Actually global temperature averages vs solar activity track pretty closely



And the KP index is at historic lows currently:

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #50)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 05:25 PM

51. It does for the most part.

That's why nobody says the sun doesn't effect the climate.
He seems to think that scientists don't take TSI into account.

However, for the last while now, not sure how long exactly but I could look it up, Solar irradiance and temperature have been going in opposite directions. Temp going up TSI going down. The only other forcing that has changed significantly is CO2.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #51)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 05:32 PM

52. The past 13 years would seem to discount that

Nevertheless we are in uncharted territory as far as solar activity is concerned. The past several cycles peak levels have been increasingly low. We really don't have enough reliable data from back in the Maunder Minimum to know what is coming.

Either way I think our efforts should be focused on coping, rather than mitigation.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #52)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 05:37 PM

53. Too much bullshit for me.

One side is crying the end of the world and the other is crying there is absolutely nothing going on.
Those are the ones people seem to listen to, nobody cares to learn anything for themselves anymore.

I really don't care what happens.. If we fuck up, we deserve it anyway.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #15)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 01:28 PM

21. Look at the picture again.



See figure (b) Solar Component.

Does that look fucking constant to you?
lmfao

What do you think the components are of the solar component? Do they take solar flares into account? Is it measured from earth, atmosphere or space? Is it data from a model of the sun or measured data?
etc etc..
Educate yourself about science dude. Stop listening to the fucking loons.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #21)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 11:17 PM

23. So what will the pretty pictures look like in 20 years?

Stop listening to the fucking loons

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Response to oflguy (Reply #23)

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:18 AM

25. yes or no. is the solar component constant?

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #25)

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 01:10 PM

28. No

And you can't name a single model that takes the variations into account

BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WILL BE

But it doesn't matter because your gods at the IPCC say it is irrevelant

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Response to oflguy (Reply #28)

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 01:24 PM

30. nope. Not my gods. You are obsessed with them though.

Keep believing what the loons told you are or aren't included in the models, I don't care.
It's really sad, though, but it's your loss.
sad.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #30)

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 01:30 PM

32. If you are a global warmer, which you are

They, my friend, rule you, They own you whether you know it or not.

YOU are the one obsessed with their agenda

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Response to oflguy (Reply #32)

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 01:32 PM

33. Nope. I'm just here to mock pseudoscience and the people that perpetuate it.

Your thing happens to be climate.
Something you clearly have never bothered to learn anything about.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #33)

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 01:35 PM

35. You are useless

You flat out refuse to understand anything beyond your little shell you live in

I'm wasting my time

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Response to oflguy (Reply #35)

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 01:45 PM

36. You aren't going to convince me of your little conspiracy theories.

Until you can show the science to back it up.

You have never shown one scientific piece of evidence for any of your claims yet.
None.
It's all shit from the loons.

You have already wasted your time, too much of it, listening to idiots and believing them instead of finding out the answers for yourself.
Then when you can't show a fucking shred of facts for what you claim, you call me hopeless and useless.
Sad.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #36)

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 01:56 PM

38. If you don't start changing your tune

Your grandchildren are going to call you a fool

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Response to oflguy (Reply #38)

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 02:02 PM

39. No they won't.

I don't go out and obsess about the IPCC and conspiracy theories. People are already laughing at you, I guarantee it.

Keep up the insults..
It's all you've got. You certainly don;t have any facts or scientific data to back up the claims of your loons.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #39)

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 02:05 PM

41. You have it backwards

And if you are telling your grandchildren that global warming is real, they WILL think of you as a fool

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Response to oflguy (Reply #41)

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 02:11 PM

43. I don't have grandchildren.

so you aren't making any fucking sense.

Do you tell your grandchildren that the IPCC is a conspiracy death cult that wants to convert the world to socialism?
or do you save that for the internet where you can't actually hear the people laughing at you.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #25)

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 01:13 PM

29. Just another evasion

You are hopeless

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Response to oflguy (Reply #29)

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 01:29 PM

31. You are projecting again.

Who is saying the sun doesn't effect the climate?

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #31)

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 01:32 PM

34. I'm beginning to believe you are not faking stupidity

I'm beginning to believe you really don't understand what I'm saying

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Response to oflguy (Reply #34)

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 01:46 PM

37. Your copypasta didn't prove anything and I debunked it quite easily.

Because you don't even understand what it says.
You think you do, but you don't.
Insults, every time you lose, which is every time, you resort to insults.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #37)

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 02:03 PM

40. Blah blah blah

"Granddaddy was a fool"

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Response to oflguy (Reply #40)

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 02:09 PM

42. Sorry.

Bringing kids into it is pretty sad man.
Sad and pathetic.
Real bottom of the barrel type shit.
It's all you have though, so I understand.
You have nothing to back you up, other than loons. Reject all science that you don't understand because you are incapable of understanding it.
Then act like a baby.

Poor roflguy

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