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Thu Jun 13, 2019, 08:08 PM

LA TIMES: California has too much solar power. That might be good for ratepayers



LA TIMES | Sammy Roth | June 5, 2019

California set two renewable energy records last week: the most solar power ever flowing on the state’s main electric grid, and the most solar power ever taken offline because it wasn’t needed.

There’s no contradiction: As California utilities buy more and more solar power as part of the state’s quest to confront climate change, supply and demand are increasingly out of sync. The state’s fleet of solar farms and rooftop panels frequently generate more electricity than Californians use during the middle of the day — a phenomenon that has sent lawmakers and some climate advocates scrambling to find ways to save the extra sunlight rather than let it go to waste.

But for ratepayers, an oversupply of solar power might actually be a good thing.

New research published in the peer-reviewed journal Solar Energy suggests California should embrace the idea of building more solar panels than it can consistently use, rather than treating oversupply as a problem to be solved. It sounds counterintuitive, but intentionally overbuilding solar facilities — and accepting they’ll often need to be dialed down in the absence of sufficient demand — may be the best way to keep electricity prices low on a power grid dominated by renewable energy, the research found.

In a study published in March, New York-based researchers Richard Perez and Karl Rábago argue that solar power has gotten so inexpensive that overbuilding it will probably be the cheapest way to keep the lights on during cloudy or overcast days — cheaper than relying entirely on batteries. Solar power can meet high levels of daytime electricity demand without energy storage, the researchers say, as long as there are enough solar panels on the grid during times when none of them are producing at full capacity.

“It’s not like solar is going to be available all the time,” said Perez, a solar energy expert at the State University of New York at Albany. “At night you will need storage, and on cloudy days you will need storage. But you will need much less of it.”.... more: https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-solar-batteries-renewable-energy-california-20190605-story.html

Can you say 0.02 Cents per kWh? I knew you could

If only there was a way to store this excess renewable energy...

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Reply LA TIMES: California has too much solar power. That might be good for ratepayers (Original post)
Aquila Jun 13 OP
D26-15 Jun 13 #1
Aquila Jun 13 #2
D26-15 Jun 13 #3
CokeMachine1 Jun 13 #4
SatansSon666 Jun 14 #5
Currentsitguy Jun 17 #6
SatansSon666 Jun 17 #7
Currentsitguy Jun 17 #8
Aquila Jun 18 #11
Currentsitguy Jun 18 #13
oflguy Jun 18 #9
Aquila Jun 18 #10
oflguy Jun 18 #12
oflguy Jun 19 #14
Independent.mind Jun 19 #15

Response to Aquila (Original post)

Thu Jun 13, 2019, 08:35 PM

1. Maybe they could set up homeless camps under them.

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Response to D26-15 (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 13, 2019, 09:01 PM

2. Nothing is funnier than homeless people, eh?

Jesus Christ, what a wasteland

Maybe there wouldn't be so many homeless

IF THE FUCKERS IN WALL STREET AND WASHINGTON, DISTRICT OF CRIMINALS AND DRAFT DODGERS DIDN'T SHIP OUR JOBS TO CHINA

The US is a failed nation.

The Visigoths have climbed over the gates.

Laugh it up.

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Response to Aquila (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 13, 2019, 09:20 PM

3. Yeah, maybe they could set up homeless camps under them.

I imagine the homeless in California alone could fill them up.

Right Aquila?



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Response to Aquila (Original post)

Thu Jun 13, 2019, 10:02 PM

4. What, no hydrogen story?

Did you see the thread about the hydrogen station blowing up and suppliers of vehicles curtailing sales because no one can fill up -- Norway?

Oops -- amirite?

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Response to CokeMachine1 (Reply #4)

Fri Jun 14, 2019, 12:01 PM

5. his last line references H2

Can store the excess by converting the electrical energy to chemical energy through hydrolysis of H2O.
Instead of shutting it off. Make H2.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #5)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 12:05 PM

6. No, make Pumped Storage

It's the most effective way to store power and deliver it on demand.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #6)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 12:37 PM

7. yeah.

Can do that too. Probably easier some places than others.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #7)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 12:44 PM

8. Well in California I'd assume you'd have to be in or near the Sierras.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 18, 2019, 07:40 PM

11. Sure because everyone that wants to store energy

can bulldoze a reservoir

Jesus I can't believe some of these responses.

Maybe Solar/H2 Pioneer Mike Strizki can help you understand



THIS IS NOT BRAIN SURGERY

Extra Power- Make H2

Simple

RiverSimple!

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Response to Aquila (Reply #11)

Tue Jun 18, 2019, 07:48 PM

13. Um, if you are going to have a distribution grid, you NEED storage.

How else can you maintain Base Load, let alone Peak Demand?

This is why every single proposal that tries to swap systems that develop their power from non-predictable means, ie: dependent upon natural forces, is doomed to failure and are laughable on their face.

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Response to Aquila (Original post)

Tue Jun 18, 2019, 10:57 AM

9. But you said when you have too much solar power, you have to pay people to take it

You seem confused

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Response to oflguy (Reply #9)

Tue Jun 18, 2019, 07:35 PM

10. Someone is confused about solar, hydrogen and renewable energy

it's not me

This guy gets it, but then he's got a resume

Wan graduated from Northeast Forestry University. In 1979, he did his postgraduate study on experimental mechanics in Structural Theories Research Institute of Tongji University and received his master degree in 1981.

In the same year, he stayed on campus and taught mathematics and mechanics. In 1985, he went to Germany as a visiting scholar and doctoral candidate of Department of Mechanical Engineering in Clausthal University of Technology and received Ph.D (Dr.-Ing.) with good honor five years later.

In 1991, Wan began to work in German Audi Corporation, in charge of computer virtualization of automobile in the R&D Department. Soon he originated a distinctive auto-developing system for the company. In 1996, he was promoted to technical manager in production and technology division, and took charge of informational manufacturing technology as well as management. His leadership and contribution in many technological innovations facilitated the production of Audi A4, car of a new generation, thus winning for the company huge economic profits. In 1994 and 1995, he was consecutively invited as guest professor and doctoral supervisor at Clausthal University of Technology and of Tongji University. Under his instruction, his German doctoral candidates successfully carried out a researching project on fuel cell and they filled the blank of this field then and there.



What are your credentials, Roflguy?

H2 seems to be some kind of alternative Rorschach test. Some people just simply aren't going to get it. It's not brain surgery, but apparently it's pretty complicated for some.

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Response to Aquila (Reply #10)

Tue Jun 18, 2019, 07:42 PM

12. You are talking out of both sides of your mouth there sweetie

In one post you say if you have too much solar power you pay people to take it.

In another post you say you don't pay people to take it.

Which is it?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #12)

Wed Jun 19, 2019, 06:57 AM

14. No answer, huh?

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