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Mon Jul 8, 2019, 06:08 PM

Plug Power CEO: Soon Hydrogen Fuel Cells Will Be Everywhere, Really

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FORBES | July 8, 2019

Over the past five years Plug Power has installed more than 25,000 fuel cell units, including 5,500 units at 22 Walmart distribution centers. Indeed, the fuel cell industry may finally be getting some traction after a decade of slow adoption and technical frustration. The question now for companies like Plug Power is this: can they parlay survival into full-blown success? Plug Power’s CEO Andy Marsh is optimistic. I had a chance to catch up with Marsh recently and get his perspective on the industry at large, where his company is headed, and the future outlook for fuel cell technology.

A challenging path

Marsh has led Plug Power for 11 years, and notes that when he first came to the leadership role in 2008, “Plug was primarily a technology company looking for a market. We had six different experimental market activities going on, and three different fuel cell technology sets.” His team quickly determined that a re-set was necessary, and realized they needed to identify a market opportunity strong enough to build a commercial business around.

After evaluating various potential markets, the team targeted the materials handling area, with the goal of selling fuel cells to power forklifts that move goods across the tens of thousands of warehouses in North America. Marsh comments that this strategy also deliberately kept room open for additional optionality, so that “if and when the fuel cell industry took off in other applications, all the learnings we had acquired could be leveraged.”

Plug Power’s materials handling offering went commercial in 2014, and received a solid response to its value proposition. Marsh notes that it’s possible to move 8% more goods in an hour relative to traditional battery technologies because fuel cells provide longer run times. Extended range (one doesn’t have to swap out batteries anymore) results in a savings of approximately 20-25 minutes every six hours. In addition, warehouse space must no longer be dedicated to electric battery infrastructure, freeing up valuable real estate for other uses.... more: https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterdetwiler/2019/07/08/plug-powers-ceo-a-brighter-outlook-for-a-broader-application-of-fuel-cells/

Andy Marsh obviously hasn't been listening to the Hydrogen Scholars on this board. How about one of you shining stars call him up and set him straight. Think of the money you'd save this little company. You'd be a HERO!

Then call WalMart - 1-800-H2RULES and tell them they're wasting their time and money.



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Participants attend the third International Hydrogen Fuel Cell Vehicle Congress, which was held in Nantong, East China's Jiangsu Province in October 2018. Photo: VCG

Global Times.cn | July 8, 2019

China steps up investment in hydrogen amid renewable energy push

China has been ratcheting up investments in hydrogen energy over the past few months with central and local governments throwing considerable support and policy guidance at industry participants to explore what is widely considered a promising source of renewable energy.

As an ardent supporter of the nascent clean energy sector, the development of hydrogen stations for new energy vehicles was included in the Government Work Report for the first time this year, a move that Chinese industry participants see as the government's endorsement of the hydrogen energy economy.

Apart from the national policy guidance from the central government, local authorities have actively rolled out plans to boost the sector.

For instance, Wuhan, capital of Central China's Hubei Province, announced plans to build up to 20 hydrogen fueling stations, and to have 3,000 vehicles powered by hydrogen fuel cells by 2020. Shanghai said it will install 50 hydrogen fueling stations and produce at least 20,000 passenger hydrogen vehicles by 2025... more: http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1157207.shtml

After the Hydrogen Scholars convince Andy Marsh that he's wasting his time, they can call China at 1-800-H2LOL and help that nation with their future.

You H2 Scholars have a lot of work in front of you but the rewards will be worth it.

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Response to Aquila (Original post)

Mon Jul 8, 2019, 06:19 PM

1. Awesome, the two buses in china again.......

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Response to quad489 (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 8, 2019, 06:28 PM

2. Andy Marsh is in Upstate New York

I just got off the phone with him, he's waiting for your call now. Try to catch him before dinner.

1-800-IMA-SUCKER

He says he can't wait to talk to someone like you that actually knows what they're talking about.

Because he's surrounded himself with know-nothings.

Kind of like tRump.

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Response to Aquila (Reply #2)

Mon Jul 8, 2019, 06:33 PM

3. ''I just got off the phone with him''...I have no doubt that you did call ''1-800-IMA-SUCKER''...

"2. Andy Marsh is in Upstate New York....I just got off the phone with him, he's waiting for your call now. Try to catch him before dinner.....1-800-IMA-SUCKER"

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Response to Aquila (Original post)

Mon Jul 8, 2019, 06:54 PM

4. how much does it cost to get the hydrogen to use in the fuel cell?

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Response to rahtruelies (Reply #4)

Mon Jul 8, 2019, 08:34 PM

6. 50 kWh 1 Kilogram H2

LA TIMES JUNE 5, 2019

California has too much solar power. That might be good for ratepayers

California set two renewable energy records last week: the most solar power ever flowing on the state’s main electric grid, and the most solar power ever taken offline because it wasn’t needed.

There’s no contradiction: As California utilities buy more and more solar power as part of the state’s quest to confront climate change, supply and demand are increasingly out of sync. The state’s fleet of solar farms and rooftop panels frequently generate more electricity than Californians use during the middle of the day — a phenomenon that has sent lawmakers and some climate advocates scrambling to find ways to save the extra sunlight rather than let it go to waste... https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-solar-batteries-renewable-energy-california-20190605-story.html

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Response to Aquila (Reply #6)

Tue Jul 9, 2019, 12:39 PM

7. so, how much does that Kg of H2 Cost?

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Response to rahtruelies (Reply #7)

Tue Jul 9, 2019, 05:35 PM

8. If a kWh costs 0.02 cents

as shown here (and that was 2017!)

and it takes ~50 kWh to make a Kilogram H2

you can do the math.

And remember that 1 Kg H2 has about as much energy as 1 Gallon gasoline but since fuel cells are about twice as efficient, 1 Kg = ~2 Gal. Gasoline

We will see 0.01 Cents per kWh soon.

Then how much is a Kg H2?

We are talking about a clean green energy REVOLUTION that will LOWER THE PRICES OF DRIVING to the pre-Arab Oil Shock days. And personal mobility is just one application of hydrogen fuel. There's trucking, shipping, marine, airplanes, forklifts, buses, trains and more. This is the biggest thing to happen to energy in hundreds of years. Maybe EVER.

That's why it is important.

Hope that helps

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Response to Aquila (Reply #8)

Tue Jul 9, 2019, 06:27 PM

9. Yeah but electricity is more like a dime the Kw at best. Also there is more expense to getting the

Kg of H2 to a customer. So AGAIN what does that Kg cost? Or just admit you really don't know.

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Response to rahtruelies (Reply #9)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 05:28 PM

10. The cost depends on many things

like who you believe, what year, what country etc.

Even at 0.10 cents /kWh H2 is a good thing ($5.00 Kg = ~$2.50 per gallon gasoline)

Hydrogen can be made on site in many cases.

The price targets for H2 from the US DOE can be found here: https://www.energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/doe-technical-targets-hydrogen-production-electrolysis

Japan's price target for H2 in 2050 is ~$2.00/ Kg https://www.meti.go.jp/english/press/2017/pdf/1226_003a.pdf

Nikola Motor - the company building >700 Solar Hydrogen Stations across the US says they will sell H2 to anyone at $6.00/Kg http://nikolamotor.com

$6.00/ Kg means a full tank in a Mirai or Clarity would cost about $30. Remember that these dollars would stay in the country- no buying oil from Saudi Arabia, no shipping, no refineries and no pollution.

A game changer.



-----------"Or just admit you really don't know."---------------

No need for the attitude, sparky

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Response to Aquila (Reply #10)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 05:39 PM

11. still dancing, no answer

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Response to rahtruelies (Reply #11)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 06:15 PM

12. Is it the reading or the comprehension

that is your problem?

Any idiot can see the range of "costs" when looking at the post above

"A cynic is a man who knows the price of everything but the value of nothing." -Oscar WIlde



I'll probably ignore you from now on, although you may inadvertently spout something of interest, which may or may not cause a reply

Have FUN!

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Response to Aquila (Original post)

Mon Jul 8, 2019, 07:00 PM

5. It's hard to talk about the economic advantages of H2

when there is never a single dollar sign in your articles.

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Response to Aquila (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 06:48 PM

13. How is your hydrogen car doing Aquilla?

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