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Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:48 AM

Bloomberg: Hydrogen Poised to Play Key Role in U.K. Heating and Transport


Zero-Emission Hydro-Flex UK Hydrogen Electric Trains will replace Diesel

Bloomberg | July 10, 2019

Using hydrogen to heat homes and power vehicles will play a vital part in Britain’s efforts to meet stringent climate targets and can’t be dismissed as an expensive pipe dream.

That’s the conclusion of National Grid Plc’s network service operator in its annual Future Energy Scenarios outlook. It anticipates 11 million homes will be heated by hydrogen by 2050, which is half of the number currently using natural gas.

To get to a world that limits global warming to acceptable levels, hydrogen will be in widespread use across heat, transport and industrial processes, National Grid ESO said in the report. Policy makers should act immediately to maintain hope of hitting the government’s net-zero carbon emissions target by 2050, the network operator said, urging measures on a “significantly greater scale” than it had suggested a year ago...

...“It’s our ambition to be able to operate a net zero electricity system by 2025 and the fundamental changes outlined in this report make it more important than ever to take a whole system view to ensure we have a coordinated approach to decarbonizing the whole energy sector,” O’Neill said.... more: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-07-10/hydrogen-seen-poised-for-key-role-in-u-k-heating-and-transport

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Reply Bloomberg: Hydrogen Poised to Play Key Role in U.K. Heating and Transport (Original post)
Aquila Jul 11 OP
Gunslinger201 Jul 11 #1
quad489 Jul 11 #4
oflguy Jul 11 #7
Aquila Jul 11 #8
quad489 Jul 11 #10
SatansSon666 Jul 11 #11
quad489 Jul 11 #2
Solesurvivor Jul 11 #3
oflguy Jul 11 #6
Aquila Jul 11 #9
oflguy Jul 11 #5

Response to Aquila (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 07:31 AM

1. What could possibly go wrong

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:12 AM

4. H2 is totally safe, trust them.......

Norway: Explosion at hydrogen filling station

In Sandvika near Oslo, an explosion occurred at a hydrogen filling station for fuel cell cars on Monday. Until establishing the cause of the incident, the supplier Nel has closed ten more stations.

According to Norwegian media, the explosion took place on Monday around 5:30 pm at the Uno-X station in the Oslo suburb of Sandvika. According to the company, no one was injured but one report mentions two minor injuries.

“It is too early to speculate about the cause,” Nel boss Jon André Løkke said in a telephone interview. “Our top priority is the safe operation of the stations we supply. As a precaution, we have temporarily closed ten more stations until further information is available.” According to the portal E24, the closed stations are located across Norway, Denmark and other countries.

The drivers of fuel cell vehicles in Norway will probably have some difficulties in the coming days, as Uno-X is the leading supplier in the country. It is not yet clear how long the H2 filling stations will be out of service.

https://www.electrive.com/2019/06/11/norway-explosion-at-fuel-cell-filling-station/

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Response to quad489 (Reply #4)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 01:56 PM

7. Impossible

Aquila has assured us hydrogen fuel is perfectly safe and there is absolutely no danger associated with its use.

Obviously these people are lying.

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Response to quad489 (Reply #4)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:30 PM

8. Battery explosion in Arizona



Didn't hear much about this did you.

The Arizona battery explosion sent 4 firefighters to hospital and the cause has NOT been identified yet.

APS Power - McMicken Battery Investigation June 5, 2019 Update (PDF)
https://www.aps.com/library/news%20releases/McMickenInvestigationUpdate.pdf

What We Know and Don’t Know About the Fire at an APS Battery Facility
The explosion in Arizona comes at a sensitive time for the fledgling storage industry, with a number of U.S. states moving to make storage central to their grid planning.
https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/what-we-know-and-dont-know-about-the-fire-at-an-aps-battery-facility

The Norway incident was professionally investigated, the cause identified, and Nel's core technologies were not involved. No one was hurt or killed.

Nel Hydrogen Q&A: The Kjørbo incident
https://nelhydrogen.com/status-and-qa-regarding-the-kjorbo-incident/

Powerpoint presentation (PDF)
https://nelhydrogen.com/assets/uploads/2019/06/2019-06-28-Nel-ASA-Kjorbo-press-conference.pdf

The Arizona Li-Ion battery explosion was MUCH WORSE than the Norway incident.

Time to shut down Li-Ion battery storage?

Meanwhile, there are natural gas explosions all the time.

But you don't hear anyone calling for the end of natural gas, do you. No, you hear fools and charlatans like Barack Obomba talk about Fracking as the savior of US energy policy.





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Response to Aquila (Reply #8)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:16 PM

10. Why the deflection away from the H2 explosion to some explosions by other energy sources that were..

..caused by human error???

Why are you unable to admit that H2 generation, storage, transportation, and usage is also very dangerous???

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Response to quad489 (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 07:19 PM

11. It is dangerous.

H2 is volatile and loves an air mixture and spark. It can ignite in almost any concentration.
I don't trust it anymore than any other gaseous fuel. I don't use propane or natural gas for anything either, but at least you can smell that shit, not have to rely on a sensor. heh
I wouldn't combust hydrogen in my house for any reason that I can think of, it has no real application that electricity doesn't fill for me.
Store it home? Maybe, probably, with a sensor or outside.

I'm interested in seeing what they do with it.

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Response to Aquila (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:03 AM

2. ''Policy makers should act immediately''...always the same bullshit sky-is-falling scare tactic on..

..the low IQ/EQ world is ending crowd who lap up that shit cause they are too lazy to investigate the high energy losses of converting electricity to H2, the storage of H2, the transportation of H2 to end user, and the conversion of H2 back to electricity. What's really telling is how nuclear power, the one source that works 24/7, is not an option for these H2 worshipers....just solar & wind which are highly inefficient and only part time providers.

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Response to Aquila (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:27 AM

3. I hope you're not doing all this shilling for free lol

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Response to Solesurvivor (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:56 AM

6. He's been pushing extra hard lately

A raise?

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Response to Solesurvivor (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:35 PM

9. You can do better than that, no?



No comment on the UK hydrogen story.

To be expected.

This forum is like an insane asylum for old, tired, used up white haired political morons who haven't had an original thought for decades.

It is funny once in awhile though.

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Response to Aquila (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:55 AM

5. "To get to a world that limits global warming to acceptable levels"

In 30 years when the earth does not warm, Global Warmers are going to say its because of them.

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