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Thu Jul 18, 2019, 05:26 AM

West Australia unveils demonstration hydrogen home & green hydrogen strategy



Renew Economy | July 18 2019

West Australian gas network operator ATCO has unveiled its Clean Energy Hub that it hopes will demonstrate the potential of hydrogen gas to help supply the domestic market, as the WA Government announces the creation of a $10 million Renewable Hydrogen Fund.

The ATCO clean energy hub serves as a small-scale demonstration of how renewable energy can be used to generate electricity, and deliver zero-emissions renewable gas into homes, and has been established at the company’s Jandakot Operations Centre, south of Perth.

The $3.3 million hub includes a 300kW rooftop solar system, a 250kW battery energy storage system, and a 150kW electrolyser used to produce renewable hydrogen at the site.

The hub also includes a model home, allowing for the demonstration of the use of renewable hydrogen in household appliances, including using hydrogen for cooking on a gas stove.



Operators of Australian gas networks have faced combined pressures of rising gas prices and calls for energy supplies to move to zero emissions sources.

While electricity supplies can be easily shifted to renewable energy alternatives, the process is less straight forward when it comes to gas. Renewable fuels such as hydrogen can require modifications to gas network infrastructure and appliances, due to the different characteristics of hydrogen compared to natural gas...more: https://reneweconomy.com.au/wa-unveils-demonstration-hydrogen-home-and-green-hydrogen-strategy-75806/



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Aquila Jul 2019 OP
Solesurvivor Jul 2019 #1
Aquila Jul 2019 #2
SatansSon666 Jul 2019 #3
quad489 Jul 2019 #4
SatansSon666 Jul 2019 #6
Aquila Jul 2019 #7
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Response to Aquila (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 05:36 AM

1. Shame this shit isnt economically viable

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Response to Solesurvivor (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 05:44 AM

2. Mass production of fuel cells and related equipment is happening as you read this

Not in the US though.

Thousands and thousands of engineers in China will be doing for hydrogen what they did for solar over the last 14 years. Today, and tomorrow and next week and next month.

Korea and Japan too.

They're doing what the US apparently can't do anymore, that is manufacture high tech stuff.

What did a 486 Mhz computer cost in 1994?

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Response to Aquila (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 07:12 AM

3. I wouldn't use hydrogen gas in my home.

I don't use any gas in my home, but at least you can smell propane and natural gas.
Now I suppose they would have to add something to the H2 so you could smell it like they donwith the others, but then you are combustion the perfume too.

I worked with H2 a lot. It scares me a little for home applications.

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Response to Aquila (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 08:10 AM

4. There's NO ''can require'' about it, H2 can't use any of the same components that NG uses...

"Renewable fuels such as hydrogen can require modifications to gas network infrastructure and appliances, due to the different characteristics of hydrogen compared to natural gas..."

...thus requiring ALL of the existing NG infrastructure to be totally replaced with far more expensive 300 series stainless steel versions of those same components. H2 will leech right thru black pipe used on NG appliances etc...can't use any plastic pipe (polyethylene etc) either, which is very commonly used these days for running gas lines etc...

You better start having a bunch of bake sales if you want to start replacing all those gas lines............

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Response to quad489 (Reply #4)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 10:01 AM

6. There's that too.

I just figured they would set you up with a tank and run the lines into the house.
Even then, without perfume and sensors, you are taking a risk. H2 isn't something you want to fuck around with too much. I've made it and handled it a lot and safety is paramount. More so than any other combustible gas. Right up there with extremely toxic gases.
It'll combust from about a 3 percent to 75 percent ratio in the air if I remember correctly.
I'm OK with powering vehicles with it once it's shown they can do it safely, but in the house.. no thanks.
Plus once you add the perfume and combust it, it kinda makes the "no emissions" thing go out the window.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #6)

Sat Jul 20, 2019, 12:21 AM

7. Professional report from Northern Gas Networks, UK

They aren't just doing this without any studies

NORTHERN GAS NETWORKS UK

Hydrogen blueprint unveiled to make over 3.7 million homes near emission-free by 2034

Published today (Friday 23 November 2018), the H21 North of England report sets out detailed plans on how hydrogen could be used as a way to deliver clean energy to millions of homes across the North of England.

It outlines how over 3.7 million homes and 40,000 businesses and industries in the north of England that are heated by natural gas could be converted to hydrogen by 2034. The project also proposes a six-phase UK rollout which could see a further 12 million homes across the rest of the country converted to hydrogen by 2050...more: https://www.northerngasnetworks.co.uk/2018/11/23/hydrogen-blueprint-unveiled-to-make-over-3-7-million-homes-near-emission-free-by-2034/


NORTHERN GAS NETWORKS

H21 North of England Report v1.0

273 PG PDF

https://northerngasnetworks.co.uk/h21-noe/H21-NoE-23Nov18-v1.0.pdf

Before the North Sea Natural Gas fields came online in the 1960's, Most of England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland used "Town Gas".

"Town Gas" was around 50% hydrogen.

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Response to Aquila (Reply #7)

Sun Jul 21, 2019, 07:23 AM

8. It's certainly possible to do, i just wouldn't use it.

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Response to Aquila (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 09:54 AM

5. faux news alert

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