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Sat Jul 20, 2019, 07:19 PM

Germany: Hydrogen Train Proves its Performance with 100,000 Kilometers in Everyday Use



FuelCellWorks | July 18, 2019

Bremervörde (DPA)–The two hydrogen trains that have so far been the only ones in the world, have proven their worth in everyday life, according to the operator and manufacturer. The emission-free regional train with fuel cells has been reliably connected to Bremervörde, Cuxhaven, Bremerhaven and Buxtehude for more than ten months.

“With more than 100,000 driven vehicle kilometers we are absolutely satisfied with the achievement”, said the managing director of the manufacturing company Alstom in Germany and Austria , Jörg Nikutta. Even with the railways and transport companies Elbe-Weser there were no complaints.

The trains are powered by hydrogen fuel cells. The fuel cell converts hydrogen and oxygen into water, generating electricity that charges the lithium-ion batteries on board, driving the electric motor.

The trains are emission-free because they release only water vapor and condensed water to the environment. However, emissions arise in the energy-intensive production of hydrogen.

By the end of 2021, the diesel train fleet will be replaced by 14 hydrogen trains on the approximately 100-kilometer route. Then should be in Bremervörde a solid hydrogen refueling station... more: https://fuelcellsworks.com/news/alstom-hydrogen-train-proves-its-performance-with-100000-kilometers-in-everyday-use/

Works so well Germany just ordered 27 MORE HYDROGEN TRAINS



Why Hydrogen Trains?

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Reply Germany: Hydrogen Train Proves its Performance with 100,000 Kilometers in Everyday Use (Original post)
Aquila Jul 2019 OP
Spitfire Jul 2019 #1
quad489 Jul 2019 #2
Spitfire Jul 2019 #3
Aquila Jul 2019 #7
quad489 Jul 2019 #9
akaConcernedCanuk Jul 2019 #5
SatansSon666 Jul 2019 #6
Tolk Jul 2019 #4
Aquila Jul 2019 #8

Response to Aquila (Original post)

Sat Jul 20, 2019, 07:57 PM

1. Why do the promoters never explain where the hydrogen COMES from?

They have to extract hydrocarbon fuels to make hydrogen!!!

But hey - it worked well for the Hindenburg....
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a926/4199381/

FOSSIL FUELS: At present, 95 percent of America's hydrogen is produced from natural gas. Through a process called steam methane reformation, high temperature and pressure break the hydrocarbon into hydrogen and carbon oxides — including carbon dioxide, which is released into the atmosphere as a greenhouse gas. Over the next 10 or 20 years, fossil fuels most likely will continue to be the main feedstock for the hydrogen economy. And there's the rub: Using dirty energy to make clean energy doesn't solve the pollution problem-it just moves it around. "As a CO2 reducer, hydrogen stinks," Romm says.

100000K?
Hell, that's only ~62K miles - my dino burning truck engine isn't even broken in at that point....

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Response to Spitfire (Reply #1)

Sat Jul 20, 2019, 08:48 PM

2. ''However, emissions arise in the energy-intensive production of hydrogen.''...

...plus this statement:

"The trains are powered by hydrogen fuel cells. The fuel cell converts hydrogen and oxygen into water, generating electricity that charges the lithium-ion batteries on board, driving the electric motor."

...kinda shows these people to be wasteful idiots, since instead of just using their energy source to directly charge those batteries, they're wasting a bunch of energy to generate hydrogen, which is THEN used to charge the batteries. But why should they care, they're just spending the taxpayers monies after all............

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Response to quad489 (Reply #2)

Sat Jul 20, 2019, 08:59 PM

3. Precisely!

The net result of extracting fossil fuels and converting them into a different energy type is less efficient than just using the original energy source!!!

It's the equivalent of buying a 12 volt battery and hooking up a 120V AC inverter in order to power a 12V DC wall wart - it's just plain stupid!

But hey - it makes the ignorant left progressive green people think that they know more about physics than the intelligent people...

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Response to quad489 (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 21, 2019, 05:35 PM

7. Obviously

You didn't watch the video



If you can't spare the 12 minutes to listen to actual real live professionals explain why they have spent years perfecting this tech, then it's a waste of time for me to try to explain any further


-----------------...kinda shows these people to be wasteful idiots, since instead of just using their energy source to directly charge those batteries, they're wasting a bunch of energy to generate hydrogen, which is THEN used to charge the batteries. ............-------------

Any idea of what size and weight the battery would have to be, and how long it would take to recharge?

Perhaps you imagine yourself smarter than the Corporate Execs that have just ordered TWENTY-SEVEN MORE HYDROGEN TRAINS IN GERMANY

----------------....But why should they care, they're just spending the taxpayers monies after all....--------------

US Taxpayers have been convinced that it's a good idea to steal money from them and give it to the MIC, which has burned trillions drone bombing wedding parties and funerals, and creating even more enemies.

A just reward!



These hydrogen threads are pure comedy, watching bunches of literal know-nothings attempt to second-guess real professionals. Thanks for the laughs.

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Response to Aquila (Reply #7)

Sun Jul 21, 2019, 07:23 PM

9. It's cute when foreigners display their ignorance about hydrogen and the US.........................

"US Taxpayers have been convinced that it's a good idea to steal money from them and give it to the MIC, which has burned trillions drone bombing wedding parties and funerals, and creating even more enemies."

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Response to Spitfire (Reply #1)

Sun Jul 21, 2019, 05:36 AM

5. ". . . doesn't solve the pollution problem-it just moves it around . . . "

Well,

1st of all - there's still a debate going on as to the severity of our CO2 contribution to our atmosphere - - -

2ndly, and most important to note imo is if indeed the statement I quoted its true, so what?

"pollution" will be dissipated across the various industries and regions where hydrogen and it's necessary components are mined, manufactured, etc. - NOT in the communities where hydrogen cells are used.

That means zero contribution to the communities they are operated in. Imagine what the air would be like in the big cities if all the CO emitting gas and the NOx emitting diesel powered engines were replaced with zero emission vehicles.

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Nearly one half of all Americans—an estimated 150 million—live in areas that don’t meet federal air quality standards. Passenger vehicles and heavy-duty trucks are a major source of this pollution, which includes ozone, particulate matter, and other smog-forming emissions.

The health risks of air pollution are extremely serious. Poor air quality increases respiratory ailments like asthma and bronchitis, heightens the risk of life-threatening conditions like cancer, and burdens our health care system with substantial medical costs. Particulate matter is singlehandedly responsible for up to 30,000 premature deaths each year.

Passenger vehicles are a major pollution contributor, producing significant amounts of nitrogen oxides, carbon monoxide, and other pollution. In 2013, transportation contributed more than half of the carbon monoxide and nitrogen oxides, and almost a quarter of the hydrocarbons emitted into our air.

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https://www.ucsusa.org/clean-vehicles/vehicles-air-pollution-and-human-health
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hmmmmm . . .



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Response to Spitfire (Reply #1)

Sun Jul 21, 2019, 07:11 AM

6. There are other ways to extract hydrogen than natural gas reforming.

Unfortunately it is the most common way right now because methane is so abundant.

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Response to Aquila (Original post)

Sun Jul 21, 2019, 01:07 AM

4. Imagine if

 

The private sector gets a hold of it.

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Response to Tolk (Reply #4)

Sun Jul 21, 2019, 05:36 PM

8. Alstom is not government owned

(that's the company making the 27 H2 trains Germany just ordered)

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