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Thu Aug 8, 2019, 05:26 PM

Spain's first hydrogen station commissioned



Spain’s first hydrogen station and first fleet of hydrogen fuel cell cars will be located in Madrid.

Enagás, with its subsidiary Enagás Emprende, Toyota España and Urbaser signed an agreement back in June to carry out the pioneering project that will involve the installation of the station and commissioning of the 12 Toyota Mirais.

The companies involved said they are committed to sustainable mobility and committed to new sustainable transport alternatives to improve air quality.

The hydrogen station will be located in the San Antonio S.L service station Avenida de Manoteras 34, Madrid, and will serve the companies taking part in the project.

Toyota España’s CEO Miguel Carsi said, “Toyota is a brand committed to the environment and the decarbonisation of transport.

“In this objective, hydrogen plays a fundamental role in sustainable mobility due to its zero-carbon footprint.” “It is an inexhaustible resource, it can be produced in a sustainable way and easily transported.” more: https://www.h2-view.com/story/spains-first-hydrogen-station-commissioned/

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Aquila Aug 8 OP
Solesurvivor Aug 8 #1
SatansSon666 Aug 8 #2
fools_gold Aug 8 #3
SatansSon666 Aug 8 #4
fools_gold Aug 8 #5
SatansSon666 Aug 8 #6
fools_gold Aug 8 #7
SatansSon666 Aug 8 #8
Aquila Aug 8 #9
Solesurvivor Aug 8 #10
Aquila Aug 11 #13
Solesurvivor Aug 8 #11
Aquila Aug 11 #12
oflguy Aug 12 #14

Response to Aquila (Original post)

Thu Aug 8, 2019, 05:31 PM

1. Let me know when it carries the same amount of energy in the same space as gas.

Hydrogen will be nothing other than a fad that is until the make energy efficient as gas

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Response to Solesurvivor (Reply #1)

Thu Aug 8, 2019, 05:39 PM

2. H2 has about 4 times the energy density of gasoline.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #2)

Thu Aug 8, 2019, 05:43 PM

3. By volume or mass?

I know, of course, most don't.

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Response to fools_gold (Reply #3)

Thu Aug 8, 2019, 05:44 PM

4. per kg

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #4)

Thu Aug 8, 2019, 05:46 PM

5. Mass, correct.

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Response to fools_gold (Reply #5)

Thu Aug 8, 2019, 05:48 PM

6. Right, if you are going to go by volume, then you have to take the ideal gas law into consideration.

and all the variables that come with it.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #6)

Thu Aug 8, 2019, 05:50 PM

7. Yep, I just sort of assume at STP unless otherwise stated

but that's an assumption on my part, and we know how they go!

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Response to fools_gold (Reply #7)

Thu Aug 8, 2019, 05:55 PM

8. Yeah, well with volume gas could have more energy.

If you had a liter of gas at a different pressure and temperature in the vapor state you could have more energy in the liter of gas than in a liter of hydrogen.
Both have different variables that determine when they are in gas or liquid phase, so it is possible, not by mass though.

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Response to Solesurvivor (Reply #1)

Thu Aug 8, 2019, 06:01 PM

9. "Hydrogen will be nothing other than a fad"

You should tell China immediately because they're spending billions building a Hydrogen industry





Also notify Korea, Japan and Australia and while you're at it, include Germany

Hydrogen Levels in German Gas Distribution System to be Raised to 20 Percent for the First Time.

"The joint project with DVGW, the German Gas & Water Association, aims to show that it is feasible to blend hydrogen into natural gas grids at much higher rates than today."
https://fuelcellsworks.com/news/hydrogen-levels-in-german-gas-distribution-system-to-be-raised-to-20-percent-for-the-first-time/

Germany Turns to Hydrogen in Quest for Clean Energy Economy.
Government aims to be world leader in the fuel’s development.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-02/germany-turns-to-hydrogen-in-quest-for-clean-energy-economy

Also see: Energy Density
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_density
See H2 all the way on the right? Where are Li-Ion batteries?

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Response to Aquila (Reply #9)

Thu Aug 8, 2019, 07:40 PM

10. Arent they building lots more coal plants?

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Response to Solesurvivor (Reply #10)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 03:50 AM

13. Don't know

but those who claim to know say that is true

They are in the process of making China great again.

And that means pursuing all opportunities.

They know they have to be concerned with pollution. You can hear this from someone that goes there all the time.



They have a plan, which, AFAIK, the US does not.

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Response to Aquila (Reply #9)

Thu Aug 8, 2019, 07:41 PM

11. Whats the energy density of gasoline?

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Response to Solesurvivor (Reply #11)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 03:43 AM

12. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_density

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_density

What's the energy density of Li-Ion?

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Response to Aquila (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 07:55 AM

14. How is your hydrogen-powered car doing Aquilla?

There has to be a demand for something before it can take root.

I love how you conveniently leave out the cost, every time.

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