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Wed Sep 18, 2019, 04:43 PM

So if the Industrial Revolution reversed the global cooling trend the Earth was headed in....

Last edited Thu Sep 19, 2019, 07:18 PM - Edit history (1)

...what happens when all the CO2 emitting activities mankind is doing is stopped and the Earth starts back on the path towards global cooling??



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Reply So if the Industrial Revolution reversed the global cooling trend the Earth was headed in.... (Original post)
quad489 Sep 18 OP
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Independent.mind Sep 19 #6
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Response to quad489 (Original post)

Wed Sep 18, 2019, 05:30 PM

1. Please cite scientific articles as to the earth being in a global cooling cycle

with time periods so we can all see what you are saying exactly. No articles from Time or Newsweek please. Thanks in advance.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 18, 2019, 06:18 PM

2. npc alert

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Response to rahtruelies (Reply #2)

Thu Sep 19, 2019, 10:13 AM

6. Post count bloat alert

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 19, 2019, 09:02 AM

5. You've heard about holocene climatic optimum, right?

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Response to quad489 (Reply #5)

Thu Sep 19, 2019, 12:18 PM

7. You know what caused it right?

Sure you do, you also know that it has nothing to do with the today. In fact, if the cycles are the main forcing today, we should be cooling for another few thousand years.
We aren't though. Weird.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #7)

Thu Sep 19, 2019, 12:28 PM

8. ''We aren't though. Weird.''....gee, why aren't we ''cooling for another few thousand years''....?

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Response to quad489 (Reply #8)

Thu Sep 19, 2019, 03:43 PM

9. You should be able to figure that out.

First, realize what climate forcings are.
Then figure out which ones have changed and what these changes do to cause (force) the climate to react in what way.
Equilibrium in earth's energy budget, stuff like that.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #9)

Thu Sep 19, 2019, 07:25 PM

10. I know what they are, just wanted to see if anyone would admit that stopping all MMGW might not...

...be such a good idea for us humans etc if the Earth truly does go into its overdue global cooling cycle. But so far all I get is the usual BS..............

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Response to quad489 (Reply #10)

Fri Sep 20, 2019, 07:38 AM

11. if we got back to preindustiral CO2 levels,

The natural cycles would do what they would naturally do.
Earth's carbon budget is out of whack, retaining more thermal energy causes the earth to find it's equilibrium, as per thermodynamics, the only way it can balance is by getting warmer. Other forcings can counter it or make it worse, depending on the type and strength of them.
Entering the solar minimum now will help, but not enough to counter the greenhouse forcing that is stronger due to CO2 concentrations.
The problem is, the solar forcing being weaker during the minimum can hopefully slow it, but that will just make people reject the fact that CO2 concentrations have a lot to do with it.
And on and on and on.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #11)

Fri Sep 20, 2019, 01:18 PM

12. Yep...as I mentioned in the OP we'll start global cooling again AND what will be the solution...

"if we got back to preindustiral CO2 levels, The natural cycles would do what they would naturally do."

...to counter that so us humans don't freeze to death?

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Response to quad489 (Reply #12)

Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:05 PM

14. Why would we freeze to death?

We survived the last ice age with nothing but pelts and fire. We're more capable now of surviving the next one.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #14)

Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:17 PM

15. Ok...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/04/uk-weather-big-freeze-death-toll-could-rise-2000-emerges-met/

...we humans can't even handle a winter storm of a few days without people freezing to death, but we'll handle 90,000 yrs of freezing temps...

.

...the ones running the major cities will have to do a much better job taking care of the poor.

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Response to quad489 (Reply #15)

Sat Sep 21, 2019, 05:55 AM

16. We won't all freeze to death.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #16)

Sat Sep 21, 2019, 04:42 PM

20. Ok, what % won't freeze to death when the Earth goes into it's 90,000 yr freeze cycle...............

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Response to quad489 (Reply #20)

Sat Sep 21, 2019, 06:22 PM

25. I figure that since we will know it's coming, we will figure it out.

Denying what is coming will kill more people.
I can see the ice-age deniers now.
"Don't move south, it's all bullshit!!"

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #25)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 11:06 AM

44. So you admit the end-of-the-world GW scare tactics used by politicians is just a power grab, eh?

"Denying what is coming will kill more people. I can see the ice-age deniers now."

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Response to quad489 (Reply #44)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 11:09 AM

47. I always laugh when people start a reply with "so".

It means they are about to make something up about what I said.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #47)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 11:17 AM

50. Simple yes or no question...why are you so afraid of answering it?

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Response to quad489 (Reply #50)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 11:29 AM

52. people have been lying about science to push agendas for a long time.

Politicians aren't scientists. They only care about getting elected so they can scam the people some more.

The could ban cars tomorrow but the science wwouldn't change. There are no scientific research papers that say we have to do anything., just what the effects will be if it keeps going the way it is.

If you really cared, you'd learn what the science actually says. You don't care though, you just want to cry about lying politicians instead.

Your loss.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #52)

Mon Sep 23, 2019, 06:54 PM

59. Still unable to answer yes or no..............................

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #11)

Sat Sep 21, 2019, 01:20 PM

18. Cultist bullshit.

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Response to Carl (Reply #18)

Sat Sep 21, 2019, 03:42 PM

19. Should be easy to debunk then.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #19)

Sat Sep 21, 2019, 07:10 PM

26. All the doomer cult predictions have done that.

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Response to Carl (Reply #26)

Sat Sep 21, 2019, 07:20 PM

27. Should be easy to debunk then.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #27)

Sat Sep 21, 2019, 07:23 PM

28. History has,none of them has come true,

Keep worshiping at the altar of fail.

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Response to Carl (Reply #28)

Sat Sep 21, 2019, 07:24 PM

29. The laws of thermodynamics can't care about your pet peeve.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #29)

Sat Sep 21, 2019, 07:25 PM

31. Reality does not care about the doomer cult.

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Response to Carl (Reply #31)

Sat Sep 21, 2019, 07:28 PM

32. What reality?

The proven laws?

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #32)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 06:18 AM

33. The reality that none of the cultist,end of the world predictions have come close to being true.

None of them.

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Response to Carl (Reply #33)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 07:28 AM

34. Still can't debunk anything in my post can you?



Find me a published research paper that makes "predictions".
You can't. You won't even try, it's easier to listen to people that don't know what they are talking about instead of learning something.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #34)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 08:05 AM

36. Your cult endlessly has made them and not a single one has ever been true.

That is reality.

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Response to Carl (Reply #36)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 08:14 AM

41. You like the hyperbolic lunacy more than the actual science.

It's easier than actually learning it.
That is reality,

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #41)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 08:21 AM

43. No,I refuse to allow a political crusade to alter what reality is.

I once asked a cultist "If it was announced tomorrow that global warming had been solved or that mistakes were made and it is not actually happening would you be happy?"

They got mad at the question.

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Response to Carl (Reply #43)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 11:07 AM

45. It's not new though.

CO2 as a climate forcing has been known for over 100 years.
The first papers were published over 80 years ago and they still stand up today, although we have a better understanding now, they are still correct.
I once asked a denier "who was involved in the big conspiracy in the 1930s", they got mad at the question.

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Response to Carl (Reply #46)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 11:12 AM

48. None of that changes what the data says.

Be mad at the politicians that don't understand it, not the people that do understand it or the people that spend their lives working on it only to be called liars.

Who was in on the big conspiracy 80 years ago?

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #48)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 05:59 PM

53. I8t all changes what you lefties are trying to do.

Tell them to cut that shit out but the left will not.

Until then.it is nothing but a cult that accepts nothing in disagreement and has an agenda far beyond any mitigation.

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Response to Carl (Reply #53)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 06:40 PM

54. Why prove my point like that?

I agree that politicians are full of shit, but you disagree with what the math says, without even trying to debunk it.
You seem to think that if you make a politician look stupid then you've debunked scientific research.
It's ridiculous.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #54)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 07:53 PM

55. Your math means nothing if it does not prove out.

The cult "scientists" have been wrong at every turn.

Every last one.

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Response to Carl (Reply #55)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 08:20 PM

56. You are free to debunk the math.

I doubt you will.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #56)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 08:25 PM

57. You are free to answer the questions I put to you.

I know you can't.

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Response to Carl (Reply #57)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 08:27 PM

58. I don't have to.

You've already proven that rhetoric and hyperbolic misinterpretations of scientific research is all you care about.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #1)

Sat Sep 21, 2019, 05:44 PM

22. Relax, Cold, its a hypothetical

No need to get up tight

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Response to quad489 (Original post)

Wed Sep 18, 2019, 06:23 PM

3. Yeah I read about this somewhere that we were due for a cooling period

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Response to Solesurvivor (Reply #3)

Wed Sep 18, 2019, 06:36 PM

4. What scientific journal did you read that in?

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Response to Solesurvivor (Reply #3)

Fri Sep 20, 2019, 01:21 PM

13. Yep, peak temps were reached about 8,000 yrs ago...

...so looking forward to hearing about all the great scientific solutions to counter global cooling once all forms of human activity has been banned and the Earth reverts back to its original cooling path.

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Response to quad489 (Reply #13)

Sat Sep 21, 2019, 07:43 AM

17. Then I suggest you see what the data says when CO2 isn't added to the math.

There are projected scenarios with CO2, without, with more, with less. with more sulfates, with none, with more, with less. With more solar forcing, with less.. etc...
The answers are there for you.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #17)

Sat Sep 21, 2019, 04:44 PM

21. ''There are projected scenarios''...so they are just guessing, got it.

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Response to quad489 (Reply #21)

Sat Sep 21, 2019, 06:11 PM

23. Well, math, so not really guessing.

Got it?

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #23)

Sat Sep 21, 2019, 07:25 PM

30. Yes it is guessing.

All of which have been wrong.

Every last one of the sky is falling predictions has failed.

Every damned one.

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Response to Carl (Reply #30)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 07:33 AM

35. All that guessing in mathematics.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #35)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 08:06 AM

37. All that guessing that has been wrong.

The simple fact is no one understands the workings of nature.

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Response to Carl (Reply #37)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 08:12 AM

39. lmao.

No, we can only use math and the known laws of nature to safely land a robot on another fucking planet, twice.

That's some good guessing considering nobody "understands the workings of nature."



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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #39)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 08:19 AM

42. Tell us how we went into the last ice age and came out of it.

Tell us how a hurricane can track completely different then forecasters can predict just days in advance.
Tell us how climate events of the past were not mitigated by the ecosystems.
Tell is how after decades of doom predictions none of it has happened.

Nice try to dodge the issues that the cult refuses to accept.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #35)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 08:08 AM

38. Notice the Denier crowd here will NEVER cite a single peer-reviewed scientific study

They are quite content citing Loudmouth Crowder, the Failed Weatherman, the Daily Mail, the Heartland Institute, and Al Gore, of course.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #38)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 08:13 AM

40. Science is hard.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #40)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 11:15 AM

49. Not really. The science shows the Earth should be moving into a 80k-90k yr cooling cycle and that...

...recent human industrialization activity has helped to delay this from happening. I'm not seeing the negative here about humans being able to grow more crops to feed the growing population etc. Only negatives I see is that we are not investing enough in the space program, since out there is mankind's future............

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Response to quad489 (Reply #49)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 11:18 AM

51. It's always funny when people use science to say science is wrong.

Cherry-picking science.

"Science: When it proves my point it's correct, when it goes against my feelings it's wrong"

There's a bumper sticker for you.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #51)

Mon Sep 23, 2019, 07:02 PM

60. Putting bumper stickers on your vehicle is a bad idea, too many offended wackjobs out there.........

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