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Sat Oct 22, 2016, 10:44 AM

Russia Bracing for U.S. Cyber-attack

"Following the US announcements that it is planning to retaliate for presumed Russian hacking of the DNC, Russia says it is making preparations to mitigate the impact of any such attack, while suggesting the US has more to lose.

Russia is reported to be designing a package of measures aimed at preventing possible cyber-attacks from the US. The move is a response to recent statements by US vice-president Joseph Baiden about US plans to provide an adequate response to Russia in cyberspace, following attacks on the Democratic Party headquarters.

Sergei Kislyak, the Russian ambassador to the US, told SCMagazineUK.com that the US government has not yet provided any evidence that the cyber-attacks on the DNC were organised by Russian hackers. Meanwhile, Yuri Ushakov, the Russian presidential aide, says Russia has already begun designing protective measures."...



"The planned measures have not been disclosed, however, according to the press-service of the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB), they may involve increasing cyber-security on the e-mail servers and databases of Russian special services including the FSB, Foreign Intelligence Service and the Russian Military Intelligence."

http://www.scmagazineuk.com/russia-prepares-to-prevent-possible-us-cyber-attacks/article/567035/

I deleted a paragraph to keep it down to four, but the deleted one was a Russian official refererring to Bidens threats as "rude".



Not quite as "rude" as

what they did yesterday....

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Reply Russia Bracing for U.S. Cyber-attack (Original post)
wonderwarthog Oct 2016 OP
RATFINK_5.0 Oct 2016 #1
762Justice Oct 2016 #3
wonderwarthog Oct 2016 #7
762Justice Oct 2016 #10
wonderwarthog Oct 2016 #11
762Justice Oct 2016 #12
wonderwarthog Oct 2016 #6
Bushmaster330 Oct 2016 #2
wonderwarthog Oct 2016 #8
762Justice Oct 2016 #4
wonderwarthog Oct 2016 #9
batcat Oct 2016 #13
Cyberpunk Oct 2016 #5

Response to wonderwarthog (Original post)

Sat Oct 22, 2016, 10:58 AM

1. Noticed this site wasn't under denial of service attack yesterday.

Thank you , whomever.

... Or is it we are just too small ?

Small is good on a scale .

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Response to RATFINK_5.0 (Reply #1)

Sat Oct 22, 2016, 11:19 AM

3. Yesterday was an attack focused on

domain name servers that are used by a lot of the big name sites. The tooling used was mirai, a distributed denial of service tool that takes advantage of very weak security in ip cameras, dvrs, and cheap routers to force the devices to attack targets set by command and control servers. I have not looked for attribution notes yet.

Mirai source code was released to the world a few weeks ago after the designer used it to create the largest distributed denial of service attack the world had ever seen. It is not particularly hard to build or run a Mirai botnet, and most of the affected zombie devices are not easily secured as the operating systems are weak and not really upgradeable. Mirai and future variants will be with us a long time.

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Response to 762Justice (Reply #3)

Sat Oct 22, 2016, 11:33 AM

7. So does that infer

That it can be used to attack economic targets, but not the grid?

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Response to wonderwarthog (Reply #7)

Sat Oct 22, 2016, 12:47 PM

10. Grid attacks can definitely be augmented with denial of service attacks.

The sort of grid attacks worth worrying about involve manipulating an Industrial Control System (ICS) type of system. Conventional wisdom says to keep these ICS systems running on their own networks to prevent the likelihood of intrusion from public networks or compromised private networks. Unfortunately, due to economics, poor training, or neglect, some of the these systems do get connected. Denial of service attacks have different uses, such as ransom (pay us or we bring you down), hactivism (you pissed us off, we knock you down), distraction (go fight this attack that costs you money while we sneak in elsewhere), or direct disruption of response.

If a bad actor was to successfully manipulate a ICS system, a Denial of Service could be used to severely limit the responding operations center's connectivity, if that connectivity was mapped prior to the attack. Extremely poorly separated ICS systems may be able to be forced offline by a Denial of Service attack also.

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Response to 762Justice (Reply #10)

Sat Oct 22, 2016, 12:54 PM

11. Thank you

That answers the question quite well in a fashion that even I can understand.

Have to go change now, I think I wet myself.



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Response to wonderwarthog (Reply #11)

Sat Oct 22, 2016, 01:02 PM

12. No problem.

I hear you on how disturbing it can be. I spend a good portion of most days thinking the Internet was a terrible idea.

But, it feeds the family, and keeps me in gas and bait, so it can't be all bad.

A little fun one for you:
There is a verified story that runs around the security guy circles about a guy running a routine penetration test (good guys hack a network to see how bad guys might get in) and ended up taking complete control of a computer system. After a little checking with the system owner, it was discovered that system was presently in use controlling a laser during an eye surgery. The tester left the system as he was the good guy, and the surgery was unaffected. Sleep tight.

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Response to RATFINK_5.0 (Reply #1)

Sat Oct 22, 2016, 11:31 AM

6. I found the answer to that...



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Response to wonderwarthog (Original post)

Sat Oct 22, 2016, 11:02 AM

2. The Russians play hardball

I remember back in the early 80's i think it was? A Russian diplomat was killed in Lebanon. The Russians not only tracked down and killed the people involved but then killed their wives, children, parents and brother and sisters.

Horrible i do agree but after that incident then even the crazies gave the Russians a wide birth and that did not happen again and their people were left alone. If we are going to play hardball with the Russians we need to understand that are hardball is softball to them.

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Response to Bushmaster330 (Reply #2)

Sat Oct 22, 2016, 11:34 AM

8. I remember that.

The KGB played the same way as Russian mafia.

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Response to wonderwarthog (Original post)

Sat Oct 22, 2016, 11:21 AM

4. We are better at cyber warfare.

We just aren't really ballsy.

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Response to 762Justice (Reply #4)

Sat Oct 22, 2016, 11:36 AM

9. Remains to be seen

What, if anything, will be done.

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Response to 762Justice (Reply #4)

Sat Oct 22, 2016, 03:09 PM

13. We may be great on offense but how are we on defense? ...

Should Obama start a cyber war because Hillary, her campaign and the DNC said a lot of stupid and questionable things in email and they were hacked? If they had been more careful in what they said and did would there even be a problem the email would show?

And don't did yourself. Our nation interferes in other nation's elections all the time.

The U.S. Has Been Meddling In Other Countries’ Elections For A Century. It Doesn’t Feel Good.
Russia has been quite the student.
07/27/2016 11:51 am ET | Updated Jul 27, 2016

PHILADELPHIA ― Intelligence officials are shocked that Russia appears to be meddling in the U.S. presidential election, but for some supporters of Bernie Sanders, it’s just turnabout.

Lakewood, Colorado, delegate Kim Netherton said it’s beside the point whether agents of Russian President Vladimir Putin hacked the Democratic National Committee’s emails, as reported this month. And it may come with a little poetic justice for Hillary Clinton, according to Netherton.

“Isn’t it interesting that her campaign is now experiencing the same thing that she perpetrated on other countries,” Netherton told The Huffington Post, as she awaited Sanders’ speech Monday night.

“She did this in Haiti, she did this in Honduras, and now it’s coming back on her and she’s all verklempt about it,” Netherton added. “It’s a little bit of her own medicine, but unfortunately I don’t think she’s open minded enough to see that for what it is.”

Indeed, meddling in foreign politics is a great American pastime, and one that Clinton has some familiarity with. For more than 100 years, without any significant break, the U.S. has been doing whatever it can to influence the outcome of elections ― up to and including assassinating politicians it has found unfriendly.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-us-has-been-meddling-in-other-countries-elections-for-a-century-it-doesnt-feel-good_us_57983b85e4b02d5d5ed382bd

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Response to wonderwarthog (Original post)

Sat Oct 22, 2016, 11:25 AM

5. Funny how it was Isis last year.

Now the Russians are the villains du jour.

Some people are so gullible it beggars belief.

We will be destroyed by our own stupidity.

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